Is it time to move on? [modified]
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Rob has quit CP; I'm pretty close to walking; a number of folks have said that they don't come here any more because of the insane hatred of this forum by Heinze and Hailey, and the kind of response it garners from the rest of us. I said once that I was considering starting another website called the Soapbox. And Rob just sent me an email suggesting I do so. If I did, it would be set up so anyone could read it, only members coud post; the terms of service would specifically ban being a link monkey and personal attacks, and Ilion and CSS would never be allowed to join. Is there any interest in my doing this?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
modified on Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:37 PM
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Rob has quit CP; I'm pretty close to walking; a number of folks have said that they don't come here any more because of the insane hatred of this forum by Heinze and Hailey, and the kind of response it garners from the rest of us. I said once that I was considering starting another website called the Soapbox. And Rob just sent me an email suggesting I do so. If I did, it would be set up so anyone could read it, only members coud post; the terms of service would specifically ban being a link monkey and personal attacks, and Ilion and CSS would never be allowed to join. Is there any interest in my doing this?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
modified on Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:37 PM
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Could be interesting. My hosts accounts are 100% linux/apache. So, if you and Jon decide to do the IIS/.net stack I might not be able to host it. I'll see what I can do anyway.
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Christian Graus wrote:
But, that's not what the community wants
My point is that many in the community have wanted it and have achieved it in the only manner they could since we failed to act - they left. They have already voted Christian and we were too blind to see it. Look at the number of regulars who responded to my "Moving On" thread - where are the folks defending those two? Or at least saying that they want to stay in the same forum
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
My point is that many in the community have wanted it and have achieved it in the only manner they could since we failed to act - they left. They have already voted Christian and we were too blind to see it.
I have started threads asking what people want, and they have not spoken up. I did see this coming, but I didn't want to impose my own standards, without a green light from the community.
Oakman wrote:
Look at the number of regulars who responded to my "Moving On" thread - where are the folks defending those two? Or at least saying that they want to stay in the same forum
Agreed. My thread on post frequency was written with the same things in mind. However, again, my biggest fear as a mod, is overstepping the mark. I've asked for a guideline, and not really gotten one that required action from me.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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But I'd be just as interested in staying here. Don't feed the trolls. It has to be followed to work though.
This statement is false
Synaptrik wrote:
Don't feed the trolls. It has to be followed to work though
Everybody agrees - but almost everybody thinks they can make an exception for themselves - just this once. And then everyone else chimes in (including me, I'm not claiming any special strength of will here.) It's easier for to walk away. Really the only question left (for me) is not whether I walk away like so many already have, but whether it makes sense to start a new site.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Oakman wrote:
My point is that many in the community have wanted it and have achieved it in the only manner they could since we failed to act - they left. They have already voted Christian and we were too blind to see it.
I have started threads asking what people want, and they have not spoken up. I did see this coming, but I didn't want to impose my own standards, without a green light from the community.
Oakman wrote:
Look at the number of regulars who responded to my "Moving On" thread - where are the folks defending those two? Or at least saying that they want to stay in the same forum
Agreed. My thread on post frequency was written with the same things in mind. However, again, my biggest fear as a mod, is overstepping the mark. I've asked for a guideline, and not really gotten one that required action from me.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
I've asked for a guideline, and not really gotten one that required action from me.
So? You act on your own and out of your own sense of what is proper. If you're wrong and you are overstepping your bounds, you'll hear about it and/or Chris will terminate your position. Or, you stand around the way all of us have, and watch those two drive away most of the people whose posts make worthwhile reading. Or, like Rob, you decide that the site isn't worth trying to save. Depending on groupthink to tell you what you should doesn't fit my image of you. As for me, I've pretty much had it. Your thread day before yesterday made me understand why fewer and fewer posts are worth reading - too many have already left, or almost left. My thread today made me realise how many people are tired enough of the present situation to walk away, too.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Synaptrik wrote:
Be a fun test case for Mono.
No offence directed to you but, Hell No. I've pretty much abandoned .net b/c of the lack of bug fixes in VS and I am much happier. Also, there is a lot of concerns out there about the patents involved in mono since MS went after TomTom over fat.
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I'll be more than happy to help that way too, though I'm a bit rusty with PHP. Besides, isn't there a mod-asp for apache?
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Besides, isn't there a mod-asp for apache?
There is a mod_aspnet for the modern stuff, I've never used it however. So I have no first hand knowledge of it's performance or requirements.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I'll be more than happy to help that way too, though I'm a bit rusty with PHP.
We can avoid PHP (I don't know a lick of it) and use pyton and django. I recently launched an internal site for a client using that framework combined with a nice kit called pinax. I usually don't care for web dev but it wasn't too painful.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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Rob has quit CP; I'm pretty close to walking; a number of folks have said that they don't come here any more because of the insane hatred of this forum by Heinze and Hailey, and the kind of response it garners from the rest of us. I said once that I was considering starting another website called the Soapbox. And Rob just sent me an email suggesting I do so. If I did, it would be set up so anyone could read it, only members coud post; the terms of service would specifically ban being a link monkey and personal attacks, and Ilion and CSS would never be allowed to join. Is there any interest in my doing this?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
modified on Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:37 PM
Am I correct in assuming that I wouldn't be allowed to come along?
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Am I correct in assuming that I wouldn't be allowed to come along?
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Am I correct in assuming that I wouldn't be allowed to come along?
No, you are not correct. But you'd have to figure out something to do besides taunting trolls. For that matter, so will I.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Am I correct in assuming that I wouldn't be allowed to come along?
No, you are not correct. But you'd have to figure out something to do besides taunting trolls. For that matter, so will I.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
OK cool! :-D I suppose it was...kinda my fault, huh. For the most part. If you're really gonna make a new site, you should try to make the post layout at least similar to CP's. I've seen a fair few message boards where you can't tell who's replying to who, and they're full of hideous photos and animations and crap that are always showing. Just a thought.
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OK cool! :-D I suppose it was...kinda my fault, huh. For the most part. If you're really gonna make a new site, you should try to make the post layout at least similar to CP's. I've seen a fair few message boards where you can't tell who's replying to who, and they're full of hideous photos and animations and crap that are always showing. Just a thought.
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It'll be worth every penny you pay to join. ;)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
;P I have, like, $1.50 in 10 and 5 cent pieces scattered all over my desk. Ooh, and a 2 cent piece, and a button! :-D Actually, I have a LOT of crap on my desk (and in my room in general) that I could pay you with. :cool:
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Besides, isn't there a mod-asp for apache?
There is a mod_aspnet for the modern stuff, I've never used it however. So I have no first hand knowledge of it's performance or requirements.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I'll be more than happy to help that way too, though I'm a bit rusty with PHP.
We can avoid PHP (I don't know a lick of it) and use pyton and django. I recently launched an internal site for a client using that framework combined with a nice kit called pinax. I usually don't care for web dev but it wasn't too painful.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
Chris Austin wrote:
There is a mod_aspnet for the modern stuff, I've never used it however. So I have no first hand knowledge of it's performance or requirements.
Like you, I wouldn't have a clue; I've not actually touched it or worked with it.
Chris Austin wrote:
We can avoid PHP (I don't know a lick of it) and use pyton and django.
I've been meaning to go down that route since you we discussed it the last time. I started playing around with Python again but work got in the way and so I couldn't build on that. I'm game though, I'd love to get the experience of it. OT: Some Arab family names point to where you're from originally, for example, the famous family Baghdadi points that their origin is from Baghdad. I look at your family name and always think you're in Texas or from there. One of those things that happen to you after spending 12 years in the Arab world! Man I miss Canada.
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Too bad we can't have both stickiness and responses.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Maybe you could sticky a link to this thread...?
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OK cool! :-D I suppose it was...kinda my fault, huh. For the most part. If you're really gonna make a new site, you should try to make the post layout at least similar to CP's. I've seen a fair few message boards where you can't tell who's replying to who, and they're full of hideous photos and animations and crap that are always showing. Just a thought.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I've asked for a guideline, and not really gotten one that required action from me.
So? You act on your own and out of your own sense of what is proper. If you're wrong and you are overstepping your bounds, you'll hear about it and/or Chris will terminate your position. Or, you stand around the way all of us have, and watch those two drive away most of the people whose posts make worthwhile reading. Or, like Rob, you decide that the site isn't worth trying to save. Depending on groupthink to tell you what you should doesn't fit my image of you. As for me, I've pretty much had it. Your thread day before yesterday made me understand why fewer and fewer posts are worth reading - too many have already left, or almost left. My thread today made me realise how many people are tired enough of the present situation to walk away, too.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
Depending on groupthink to tell you what you should doesn't fit my image of you.
I guess that's one way of putting it. I prefer to think that I'm careful to see moderation as an enforcement of community standards and not just my own.
Oakman wrote:
As for me, I've pretty much had it.
That would be a shame, you're definitely one of the people I most hope to end up talking to, around here.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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Oakman wrote:
Depending on groupthink to tell you what you should doesn't fit my image of you.
I guess that's one way of putting it. I prefer to think that I'm careful to see moderation as an enforcement of community standards and not just my own.
Oakman wrote:
As for me, I've pretty much had it.
That would be a shame, you're definitely one of the people I most hope to end up talking to, around here.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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Chris Austin wrote:
There is a mod_aspnet for the modern stuff, I've never used it however. So I have no first hand knowledge of it's performance or requirements.
Like you, I wouldn't have a clue; I've not actually touched it or worked with it.
Chris Austin wrote:
We can avoid PHP (I don't know a lick of it) and use pyton and django.
I've been meaning to go down that route since you we discussed it the last time. I started playing around with Python again but work got in the way and so I couldn't build on that. I'm game though, I'd love to get the experience of it. OT: Some Arab family names point to where you're from originally, for example, the famous family Baghdadi points that their origin is from Baghdad. I look at your family name and always think you're in Texas or from there. One of those things that happen to you after spending 12 years in the Arab world! Man I miss Canada.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Some Arab family names point to where you're from originally, for example, the famous family Baghdadi points that their origin is from Baghdad.
I actually met some people in Italy who when I told them my grandmother's maiden Italian name told me with certainty that she was from Naples. We looked into it further and they were 100% correct.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I look at your family name and always think you're in Texas or from there.
That is a funny one. I was actually born in Texas's #1 rival: Oklahoma. But, I pretty much grew up in Phoenix, AZ. These days I live in suburban Dallas, TX. I really don't know the origins of the "Austin" family line but my wife wants to find out.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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Synaptrik wrote:
Be a fun test case for Mono.
No offence directed to you but, Hell No. I've pretty much abandoned .net b/c of the lack of bug fixes in VS and I am much happier. Also, there is a lot of concerns out there about the patents involved in mono since MS went after TomTom over fat.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell