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Let this morning be a warning...

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    Stan Shannon
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    for all those who wish to live in a libertarian utopia...

    Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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      for all those who wish to live in a libertarian utopia...

      Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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      Ilion
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      Oh, you mean like someone calling me an "arrogant asshole" and then someone deleting my justified response to it? And also deleting some new threads I'd opened?

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        for all those who wish to live in a libertarian utopia...

        Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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        Chris Austin
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        Did I miss something on the news?

        Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell

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          Oh, you mean like someone calling me an "arrogant asshole" and then someone deleting my justified response to it? And also deleting some new threads I'd opened?

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          Stan Shannon
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          Heck, they deleted my response that merely pointed out that this all validates everything I have ever said about libertarianism. You can't even make it work in a little virtual community. Somebody has to make and enforce the community rules which everyone has to obey - individualism be damned. If these guys would apply a little Jeffersonianism, it could all be settled quite easily - we have a vote, up or down, for who gets tossed out.

          Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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            Did I miss something on the news?

            Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell

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            Stan Shannon
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            Chris Austin wrote:

            Did I miss something

            Yes. Something quite profound, in fact.

            Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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              Heck, they deleted my response that merely pointed out that this all validates everything I have ever said about libertarianism. You can't even make it work in a little virtual community. Somebody has to make and enforce the community rules which everyone has to obey - individualism be damned. If these guys would apply a little Jeffersonianism, it could all be settled quite easily - we have a vote, up or down, for who gets tossed out.

              Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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              Ilion
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              Stan Shannon wrote:

              If these guys would apply a little Jeffersonianism, it could all be settled quite easily - we have a vote, up or down, for who gets tossed out.

              But that's how we got into the alleged mess we're in.

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                for all those who wish to live in a libertarian utopia...

                Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                Oakman
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                Somehow you decided that being a libertarian meant that I would allow myself to be forced to associate with the dregs of humanity. Or that I would grant them the right to mess up things I consider important. You continue to claim that being a libertarian is all about total freedom in spite of my patiently at first and then not so patiently explaining that being a libertarian is all about taking personal responsibility. Now I don't know whether the concept of personal responsibility is something you just can't grasp, or whether you ignore what I've tried to teach you because you don't want to believe that there are people who don't hide behind group-think to determine what is right or wrong for them. Nor, frankly, do I care. Here's your final clue from me, Stan: I took on personal responsibility for this forum when I accepted the title of moderator. For as long as possible I didn't interfere, hoping that folks would start ignore the trolls. When I realised that, possibly through my inaction, folks were no longer posting here, I began to re-examine my willingness to remain passive. Although I suggested that the moderators confer as to what they thought was acceptable in moderation, I never asked you, or Heinze, or anyone else what they thought. Because as long as I am a moderator, it's my responsibility and whine, whimper, piss, or moan all anyone wants, I'll do the job until I either quit or am fired by Chris. I suggest you remember this morning - because there's a good chance it may be the day the Back Room died. edited to eliminate grammatical errors and a skipped phrase.

                Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin

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                  Somehow you decided that being a libertarian meant that I would allow myself to be forced to associate with the dregs of humanity. Or that I would grant them the right to mess up things I consider important. You continue to claim that being a libertarian is all about total freedom in spite of my patiently at first and then not so patiently explaining that being a libertarian is all about taking personal responsibility. Now I don't know whether the concept of personal responsibility is something you just can't grasp, or whether you ignore what I've tried to teach you because you don't want to believe that there are people who don't hide behind group-think to determine what is right or wrong for them. Nor, frankly, do I care. Here's your final clue from me, Stan: I took on personal responsibility for this forum when I accepted the title of moderator. For as long as possible I didn't interfere, hoping that folks would start ignore the trolls. When I realised that, possibly through my inaction, folks were no longer posting here, I began to re-examine my willingness to remain passive. Although I suggested that the moderators confer as to what they thought was acceptable in moderation, I never asked you, or Heinze, or anyone else what they thought. Because as long as I am a moderator, it's my responsibility and whine, whimper, piss, or moan all anyone wants, I'll do the job until I either quit or am fired by Chris. I suggest you remember this morning - because there's a good chance it may be the day the Back Room died. edited to eliminate grammatical errors and a skipped phrase.

                  Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin

                  modified on Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:34 PM

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                  Christian Graus
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                  Holy crap. What did I miss ?

                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                    Chris Austin wrote:

                    Did I miss something

                    Yes. Something quite profound, in fact.

                    Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                    Christian Graus
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                    And also secret ?

                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                      And also secret ?

                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                      Oakman
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                      Christian Graus wrote:

                      And also secret ?

                      Nope it isn't just this morning. It's watching this site turn to shit for the last couple of months combined with, for me, realising how many good people have stopped posting here because of those two clowns.

                      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin

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                        Holy crap. What did I miss ?

                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                        Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                        Just a spat between Illion on one side and Rob Graham & Oakman on another. The latter have had enough and they simply said we're not moderating no more, this forum has gone to the shits because of the two trolls and Oakman was wondering if it would be worthwhile to setup a new forum/website named the Soap Box where people can debate freely with the absence of link monkeys and trolls. That's it in a nutshell.

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