New world order
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No, you have to do your own mental work. You can't have everything implanted into your skull for you, if that is the way you work with allow so called "experts" to dictate fact with your full faith and trust, then you will be conquered, mind and body.
OK, so every person who believes this, has to come to the conclusion themself, without any sort of proof being offered ? This sounds more like a religion than a statement of fact to me.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is not really out their, its extremely logical and realistic if you are have been and are informed of current events more than your average joe.
What you mean is, once you accept the theory, you can start to decide how each current event, no matter what it is, 'proves' the theory to you. It's like church. If you have faith, you see God everywhere. If you don't, you don't.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They do, nobody is going to produce a 40 hour video, but you can find it in various books and articles, and documentaries.
so why don't they offer at least SOME proof, or a reference to where to find it ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
OK, so every person who believes this, has to come to the conclusion themself, without any sort of proof being offered ? This sounds more like a religion than a statement of fact to me.
No you are not supposed to just believe it. You are supposed to look things up, research, dig into it like I said.
Christian Graus wrote:
What you mean is, once you accept the theory, you can start to decide how each current event, no matter what it is, 'proves' the theory to you. It's like church. If you have faith, you see God everywhere. If you don't, you don't.
The proof is in the pudding. The proof is the world we live in. Knowledge seems to work similarly for everything. If you are ignorant, your mindscape is much smaller.
Christian Graus wrote:
so why don't they offer at least SOME proof, or a reference to where to find it ?
They show clips of news articles backing up their claims. You can search up the headline and find it for yourself. They show important quotes, reference books, and so on. Stop being in denial. That is all you are doing.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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So, I've watched the first half hour of this 'documentary'. It's amazing. Things I have spotted so far: 1 - blatant lies, or at least, extraordinary claims with no proof. Example - King Edward was forced to abdicate b/c of his friendship with hitler. Prove it. He abdicated to marry a divorcee, everyone knows that 2 - incredible lapses of logic. Example - the rothschilds fund both sides of wars they create. No proof is offered that they had anything to do with WWI, which is widely known to have started because the generals wanted a war, not b/c the rich did. As for claims they make money lending to both sides, how does that work, when one side ends up no longer existing ? Who pays their debt ? 3 - extensive use of website screenshots as 'proof', most of which seem to come from their own web pages. So they published it on the web, how does that make it true ? I will watch the rest, but I am spectacularly unimpressed so far. Making a claim in a movie with good effects and a dramatic voiceover, is different to offering proof.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
It sucked?! Now there's a surprise! :omg:
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- Rubbish. He was king, and like Henry 8th, who also married divorcees, there was nothing constitutionally wrong with it. It was because he was a nazi sympathizer. 2) The US and UK sold weapons to both Iran and Iraq during their war. Why should it be any different for bankers? And the winner pays the debt. (look at result of WW2) 3) I have no answer for that. Anyway, we all know it was Elvis what shot Kennedy with a Blaster Ray from an alien spaceship piloted by Bigfoot and in a parking orbit over the Bernuda Triangle.
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
- More rubbish The crisis was down to the fact that her 2 ex-husbands were still alive, nothing more. Edward VIII abdication crisis[^]
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- More rubbish The crisis was down to the fact that her 2 ex-husbands were still alive, nothing more. Edward VIII abdication crisis[^]
Interestingly the full family name was "Saxe-Coburg Gotha Schleswig Holstein" and it sounded a little too German, so they changed it to something that did not sound German at all, Vinsor!
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't think he can provide all the proof you need.
Well, that says it all. either way, SOME proof would be nice, or even references where to find proof.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't think anyone can provide proof through a video.
Rubbish. they tell you why they believe it. They can show film, they can refer to documents, they can do whatever they like
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The single most important thing is to either know your history, or do something to educate yourself through the library and internet.
I know enough history to see through a lot of what they say. That's the problem. If you want to prove what I've been told in the past to be lies, then I need proof, don't just tell me what you want me to believe with no evidence. You didn't address my other points.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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Interestingly the full family name was "Saxe-Coburg Gotha Schleswig Holstein" and it sounded a little too German, so they changed it to something that did not sound German at all, Vinsor!
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Indeed: time to become either a republic or the 51st state (I prefer the latter).
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Indeed: time to become either a republic or the 51st state (I prefer the latter).
51st State - Groom Lake 52nd State - Puerto Rico 53rd State - Cuba (planned, awaiting death of Castro) 54th State - The Moon 55th State - Euro Disney etc No, Better if the US became the 4th Kingdom! (England, Scotland and Ireland being the first three, Wales is only a principality)
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
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51st State - Groom Lake 52nd State - Puerto Rico 53rd State - Cuba (planned, awaiting death of Castro) 54th State - The Moon 55th State - Euro Disney etc No, Better if the US became the 4th Kingdom! (England, Scotland and Ireland being the first three, Wales is only a principality)
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Either way I miss the place.
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Christian, you are not dealing with the mindset of an academic. References to supporting documentation is not provided. This leaves you with the only option of accepting or rejecting the statements and nothing more.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Christian, you are not dealing with the mindset of an academic.
You don't know what mindset he is "dealing" with. Don't go on acting like you are superior when you ain't.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Christian, you are not dealing with the mindset of an academic.
You don't know what mindset he is "dealing" with. Don't go on acting like you are superior when you ain't.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You don't know what mindset he is "dealing" with.
I don't suppose he does. Do you fully understand your own mindset?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Don't go on acting like you are superior when you ain't.
Heaven forbid that you think anybody else is superior, each and every one of us all have differing qualities, differing experiences and differing abilities. Thus, nobody is suggesting they are inferior or superior to you, well I'm not anyhow! But if you want to improve your lot then go back to school (or college), listen and learn how to things are done in a "proper" fashion.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You don't know what mindset he is "dealing" with.
I don't suppose he does. Do you fully understand your own mindset?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Don't go on acting like you are superior when you ain't.
Heaven forbid that you think anybody else is superior, each and every one of us all have differing qualities, differing experiences and differing abilities. Thus, nobody is suggesting they are inferior or superior to you, well I'm not anyhow! But if you want to improve your lot then go back to school (or college), listen and learn how to things are done in a "proper" fashion.
You eurochum are really wipped. You can't think for yourself, you have to have some kind of authority do it for you. You have to be told what to think and how to think.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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You eurochum are really wipped. You can't think for yourself, you have to have some kind of authority do it for you. You have to be told what to think and how to think.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Christian Graus wrote:
Here's another question, assuming this cabal of power exists, what benefit would they have in creating a world where we are all locked down and have no freedom ? I mean, it can only make them poorer, so what's the benefit ?
It wont make them poorer. You either work, you or starve, or be put in a labor camp. China is a world superpower, and their government is absolutely brutal. They work for a few bucks a day in the factories the big guys make all the profit. They don't want anyone to be able to question authority or have the capability to resist.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It wont make them poorer.
Of course it will. There will be no growing stock market if there's no free economy. People won't invent stuff if it cannot benefit them, so the rich will have fewer toys. Putting people in labour camps did not help the USSR, or the Nazis.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
China is a world superpower, and their government is absolutely brutal
In what way are they brutal ? They are not champions of human rights, but people do prosper there, under capitalism and a free market, so long as they have no political complaints.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They work for a few bucks a day in the factories the big guys make all the profit
They work for that little, because it represents good money to them. The conditions are not good, often, but all of this, is the West's fault, not China's. If we refused to buy the Nikes made by 8 year olds, they would stop making them,
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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Christian Graus wrote:
OK, so every person who believes this, has to come to the conclusion themself, without any sort of proof being offered ? This sounds more like a religion than a statement of fact to me.
No you are not supposed to just believe it. You are supposed to look things up, research, dig into it like I said.
Christian Graus wrote:
What you mean is, once you accept the theory, you can start to decide how each current event, no matter what it is, 'proves' the theory to you. It's like church. If you have faith, you see God everywhere. If you don't, you don't.
The proof is in the pudding. The proof is the world we live in. Knowledge seems to work similarly for everything. If you are ignorant, your mindscape is much smaller.
Christian Graus wrote:
so why don't they offer at least SOME proof, or a reference to where to find it ?
They show clips of news articles backing up their claims. You can search up the headline and find it for yourself. They show important quotes, reference books, and so on. Stop being in denial. That is all you are doing.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are supposed to look things up, research, dig into it like I said.
What credible doco expects me to go and find the same things out they did, without telling me where to look ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The proof is the world we live in.
See, we live in different worlds. You're poor and looking for someone to blame. I am reasonably successful, free to live as I want, and therefore unable to see what you see, because the oppression you live under is not global, it's specific to the way you live.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They show clips of news articles backing up their claims
I saw plenty of clips from their website, and a repeated use of one or two newspapers. What you need to do, is ask youself, what if some of this is true ( for example, I don't doubt that there was some group of people meeting in that building ). Does that prove the rest ? You need to distinguish between what they prove, what you can prove, and what is presented with no proof whatsoever.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Christian, you are not dealing with the mindset of an academic.
You don't know what mindset he is "dealing" with. Don't go on acting like you are superior when you ain't.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Don't go on acting like you are superior when you ain't.
sorry, this made me laugh. My daughter does sometimes speak like she lives in a trailer, but thankfully we have not descended to 'ain't' yet, and she's responding well to being called on it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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It sucked?! Now there's a surprise! :omg:
Well, I couldn't bear to watch any more ( I will try, through my trip ). But, I did watch it, I did think about what it was saying, and those are my honest thoughts on the subject. so, I feel I've been fair about it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It wont make them poorer.
Of course it will. There will be no growing stock market if there's no free economy. People won't invent stuff if it cannot benefit them, so the rich will have fewer toys. Putting people in labour camps did not help the USSR, or the Nazis.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
China is a world superpower, and their government is absolutely brutal
In what way are they brutal ? They are not champions of human rights, but people do prosper there, under capitalism and a free market, so long as they have no political complaints.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They work for a few bucks a day in the factories the big guys make all the profit
They work for that little, because it represents good money to them. The conditions are not good, often, but all of this, is the West's fault, not China's. If we refused to buy the Nikes made by 8 year olds, they would stop making them,
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
What is this some kind of game? You ask questions with obvious answers and expect me to research it for you. I gave china as an example of a thriving controlled economy and brutalized people but you deny even that. If you want to be a fucking ignorant prick who wants to pick at everything through an ignorant mask thats fine. You don't keep yourself informed about current events, you refuse to think, you just want to stay in fairyland because it scares you to think about it. You aren't fooling anyone but yourself. End of discussion, we are through here.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Well, I couldn't bear to watch any more ( I will try, through my trip ). But, I did watch it, I did think about what it was saying, and those are my honest thoughts on the subject. so, I feel I've been fair about it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
You haven't even watched it yet you are in here bashing it? You were supposed to watch it. The second half has more hard evidence.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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What is this some kind of game? You ask questions with obvious answers and expect me to research it for you. I gave china as an example of a thriving controlled economy and brutalized people but you deny even that. If you want to be a fucking ignorant prick who wants to pick at everything through an ignorant mask thats fine. You don't keep yourself informed about current events, you refuse to think, you just want to stay in fairyland because it scares you to think about it. You aren't fooling anyone but yourself. End of discussion, we are through here.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I gave china as an example of a thriving controlled economy and brutalized people but you deny even that
It's not true, for those who are not dissidents. The general population is NOT oppressed or forced to work.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You don't keep yourself informed about current events, you refuse to think, you just want to stay in fairyland because it scares you to think about it. You aren't fooling anyone but yourself. End of discussion, we are through here.
Translated - when you confront my beliefs, I have no choice but to run and hide.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I gave china as an example of a thriving controlled economy and brutalized people but you deny even that
It's not true, for those who are not dissidents. The general population is NOT oppressed or forced to work.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You don't keep yourself informed about current events, you refuse to think, you just want to stay in fairyland because it scares you to think about it. You aren't fooling anyone but yourself. End of discussion, we are through here.
Translated - when you confront my beliefs, I have no choice but to run and hide.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
It's not true, for those who are not dissidents. The general population is NOT oppressed or forced to work.
Absolute denial, but oh well, you are that type of person.
Christian Graus wrote:
Translated - when you confront my beliefs, I have no choice but to run and hide.
I think it is the other way around, you retreat into your mental comfort zone when your confront my mindset. You go into your little fluffy place where the government is the mother care and the world is made of rainbows and we are all in a circle holding hands with butterflies all around. It is like you are programmed to overload when you hear the truth, the truth is dangerous to you and you must resist.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949