Train in a tornado?
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Nothing, but in situations where parents haven't abdicated their responsibility, I can see how they might think that the education system is stepping on their turf
I would expect any sex education class to involve a letter to parents, to allow parents to bow out if they want to. I would also expect to be given access to the materials, if I wanted to talk to a teacher before the lessons went ahead.
Gary Kirkham wrote:
I can also see how people that hold certain convictions, might get upset to see their child taught contrary to those convictions.
Well, I expect the school to focus on teaching how the plumbing works, not on value judgements, although I would like the school to emphasise the down side of teen sex, for sure. I assume that's what you mean, and not that some parents are scared for kids to know how their bodies work ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
I would expect any sex education class to involve a letter to parents, to allow parents to bow out if they want to. I would also expect to be given access to the materials, if I wanted to talk to a teacher before the lessons went ahead.
I don't think that happens, at least not in the US. Of course, I have a very limited data set.
Christian Graus wrote:
I assume that's what you mean
Yep
Christian Graus wrote:
scared for kids to know how their bodies work
I think they can figure it out without any help. It's kind of like a legalists objection to the teaching of grace, "it will just give them a license to sin." My response to that is, "I sin just fine with out a license!"
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
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Christian Graus wrote:
I would expect any sex education class to involve a letter to parents, to allow parents to bow out if they want to. I would also expect to be given access to the materials, if I wanted to talk to a teacher before the lessons went ahead.
I don't think that happens, at least not in the US. Of course, I have a very limited data set.
Christian Graus wrote:
I assume that's what you mean
Yep
Christian Graus wrote:
scared for kids to know how their bodies work
I think they can figure it out without any help. It's kind of like a legalists objection to the teaching of grace, "it will just give them a license to sin." My response to that is, "I sin just fine with out a license!"
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
I don't think that happens, at least not in the US. Of course, I have a very limited data set.
Well, that is what people SHOULD be aggitating for then, not to ban sex education all together.
Gary Kirkham wrote:
I think they can figure it out without any help.
The issue is that kids are working out where it goes, without understand what happens next. The media encourages them to experiment with sex, and hell, it feels good. That's why it's important for them to understand exactly what leads to pregnancy. I house sat for someone once, and her daughter had a ton of dolly magazines. We read them for a laugh. Girls were writing to ask if oral sex can make you pregnant, if it's true that you can't get pregnant if you enjoy it, etc. That sort of ignorance leaves girls in particular open to all sorts of lines that end up with pregnancy.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I don't think that happens, at least not in the US. Of course, I have a very limited data set.
Well, that is what people SHOULD be aggitating for then, not to ban sex education all together.
Gary Kirkham wrote:
I think they can figure it out without any help.
The issue is that kids are working out where it goes, without understand what happens next. The media encourages them to experiment with sex, and hell, it feels good. That's why it's important for them to understand exactly what leads to pregnancy. I house sat for someone once, and her daughter had a ton of dolly magazines. We read them for a laugh. Girls were writing to ask if oral sex can make you pregnant, if it's true that you can't get pregnant if you enjoy it, etc. That sort of ignorance leaves girls in particular open to all sorts of lines that end up with pregnancy.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
The issue is that kids are working out where it goes, without understand what happens next.
Yes...I guess I needed the irony icon. Parents who think they are preventing teen sex by keeping them ignorant, may find out that ignorance isn't a barrier.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
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Christian Graus wrote:
The issue is that kids are working out where it goes, without understand what happens next.
Yes...I guess I needed the irony icon. Parents who think they are preventing teen sex by keeping them ignorant, may find out that ignorance isn't a barrier.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
Yes...I guess I needed the irony icon.
*grin* fair enough
Gary Kirkham wrote:
Parents who think they are preventing teen sex by keeping them ignorant, may find out that ignorance isn't a barrier.
Here, kids in the low teens do a class where they get a baby doll that cries at night and needs to be changed. That's the sort of thing that sounds like a good idea to me, make them appreciate the reality of having a child, and then see if they make the right calls. And that is the sort of thing that goes on in sex education classes here, not showing kids porn or talking about how you can do whatever you want, if it feels good.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Bob Parks: Video of the day[^]
Thats wild.
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Bob Parks: Video of the day[^]
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Christian Graus wrote:
I honestly thought that people who opposed all sex education were a myth
They are a myth. I think the disagreement lies in who should do the educating.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
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Thats wild.
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Bob Parks: Video of the day[^]
Cool Vid, I bet the driver had to change his undercrackers after that one.
Software Kinetics (requires SL3 beta) - Moving software
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I think the disagreement lies in who should do the educating.
And in what distinguishes 'teachong' from 'advocacy' and/or 'indoctrination.'
Yes, that was the point I think Christian was making about being involved enough to find out what is being taught. Parents should have the right to have their child exempted from the class without repercussions if they don't like what is being taught or if they feel like it is the parents responsibity to do the teaching.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I think the disagreement lies in who should do the educating.
And in what distinguishes 'teachong' from 'advocacy' and/or 'indoctrination.'
Well, if you're too stupid to know that, then surely that proves that you are too stupid to teach your kids about sex, which is why the schools should. Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina. This is teaching. Boys should put their penis into every vagina they can. That is advocacy.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Yes, that was the point I think Christian was making about being involved enough to find out what is being taught. Parents should have the right to have their child exempted from the class without repercussions if they don't like what is being taught or if they feel like it is the parents responsibity to do the teaching.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
Exactly. If the school has to be transparent to parents, that only makes it more likely they will teach the facts without any sort of advocacy that parents may object to.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.