UK Government To Install Surveillance Cameras In Private Homes (RF-Chippy) [modified]
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I have made copious searches and can find no supporting references to statements or comments or opinions in any other UK newspaper that Ed Balls was supposed to have made. I have looked at Ed Balls home site, Hansard, UK Home Office press reports, CommunityCare website, TheyWorkForYou.com , Department for Children Schools & Familes. Frankly, I can't find anything that supports what this political journalist (Alison Little) says on the subject. But you can draw your own conclusions ... Examples of her other recent work include http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/117853/Mandelson-to-quit-as-a-peer-in-plot-to-fight-for-leadership/[^] http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/108279[^] http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/104853[^]
OK, so it's just a lie. Good to know.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
As Richard said, the story was written by someone with a tenuous grasp on the truth.
Well, he did not make it clear what was true and what wasn't. All he did was provide a little pamphlet full of broadly defined goals and double-think.
Christian Graus wrote:
Cameras will be installed in homes, if at all, because they are percieved as needed for child safety.
Did I say they wasn't? Everything is for the children right? They will get people to go along with anything if they say its for the children. What you will have though, is a bunch of pedophiles watching your children eat, sleep, run around, and they will watch the parents do whatever they do in their homes. Oh, and learn how to spell.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, because I have a job and pay taxes
You sit at your computer all day, and as of now you have little work to do. Having a job and paying taxes has absolutely no significance in determining who abuses their children. Quite frankly I think you do abuse your children. I think you need checked by the authorities.
Christian Graus wrote:
This is the first time cameras have been discussed, and I did not say I wanted them.
You didn't say you wanted them, but your defending the UK government by stating why they say its necessary for them to install cameras in people's homes to monitor "bad behavior".
Christian Graus wrote:
Take what someone actually says, and twist it to fit your world view.
My world view is one where people shouldn't be stupid slaves to the government. You let the government dictate your world view.
Christian Graus wrote:
The people who are having kids, and failing to care for them, are overwhelmingly people on welfare who have kids so they can leave home and get their own welfare payment, instead of living off their mothers payments. You believe people are being chosen at random and having cameras installed in their homes ?
The UK is a socialist nation, everybody is on welfare in one form or another, and everyone is being made into a "bad person" through law. Its how they control them.
Christian Graus wrote:
In the real world, the pare
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
All he did was provide a little pamphlet full of broadly defined goals and double-think.
'double-think' is what you call anything you're too dumb to understand. He's been more clear in his follow up. The journalist is known to fabricate stuff, and no other source backs up her claims
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Everything is for the children right? They will get people to go along with anything if they say its for the children.
If a child is being beaten, or starved, then there is a clear need. And, we're talking in the abstract now, b/c we know the story to be false. But I know that some welfare mothers in my state don't care for their kids properly, I have relatives who work in the schools.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
What you will have though, is a bunch of pedophiles watching your children eat, sleep, run around, and they will watch the parents do whatever they do in their homes.
What a bizarre fantasy world you live in.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Having a job and paying taxes has absolutely no significance in determining who abuses their children
Are you illiterate, or stupid. I said, because I do those things, the welfare system has no contact with me, and therefore cannot monitor how I treat my kids. I also said that the school is therefore the first line of defense if my kids showed signs of being abused. I also said there's no reason to know for sure that I don't.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You didn't say you wanted them, but your defending the UK government by stating why they say its necessary for them to install cameras in people's homes to monitor "bad behavior".
I said if it's being done, it's for a reason. I was expecting the story to be an exaggeration, rather than a lie.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The UK is a socialist nation, everybody is on welfare in one form or another, and everyone is being made into a "bad person" through law. Its how they control them.
This is the sort of propaganda that appeals to the lowest common denominator in the USA. In other words, you.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You let the government dictate your world view.
Not at al
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OK, so it's just a lie. Good to know.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian, our friend CSS has read an article that is very misleading. This (below pdf reference) is what the story should have been about, and as per normal, (this particular) member of the press have taken this out of all proportion. Perhaps the Government minister let slip from his mouth something he shouldn't have OR (more likely) the honourable member of the press chose to not listen well and make-up an answer. Don't get me wrong when I say that the Secretary of State is an idiot and a confirmed barmy fool (allegations previously made by many in UK) but he is not that stupid to suggest that a key principle of EU Law will be disregarded - that with reference to The EU Charter on Human Rights, enshined into UK law, which UK is a proud signatory. http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/youth-crime-action-plan/one-year-on?view=Binary[^]
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I take it your point is, if the story supports your worldview, then there's no burden of proof involved, it HAS to be true, because you WANT it to be ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
All he did was provide a little pamphlet full of broadly defined goals and double-think.
'double-think' is what you call anything you're too dumb to understand. He's been more clear in his follow up. The journalist is known to fabricate stuff, and no other source backs up her claims
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Everything is for the children right? They will get people to go along with anything if they say its for the children.
If a child is being beaten, or starved, then there is a clear need. And, we're talking in the abstract now, b/c we know the story to be false. But I know that some welfare mothers in my state don't care for their kids properly, I have relatives who work in the schools.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
What you will have though, is a bunch of pedophiles watching your children eat, sleep, run around, and they will watch the parents do whatever they do in their homes.
What a bizarre fantasy world you live in.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Having a job and paying taxes has absolutely no significance in determining who abuses their children
Are you illiterate, or stupid. I said, because I do those things, the welfare system has no contact with me, and therefore cannot monitor how I treat my kids. I also said that the school is therefore the first line of defense if my kids showed signs of being abused. I also said there's no reason to know for sure that I don't.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You didn't say you wanted them, but your defending the UK government by stating why they say its necessary for them to install cameras in people's homes to monitor "bad behavior".
I said if it's being done, it's for a reason. I was expecting the story to be an exaggeration, rather than a lie.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The UK is a socialist nation, everybody is on welfare in one form or another, and everyone is being made into a "bad person" through law. Its how they control them.
This is the sort of propaganda that appeals to the lowest common denominator in the USA. In other words, you.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You let the government dictate your world view.
Not at al
Christian Graus wrote:
'double-think' is what you call anything you're too dumb to understand.
Doublethink is the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies.
Christian Graus wrote:
The journalist is known to fabricate stuff, and no other source backs up her claims
Well, I can find 331 hits using Mr. Ball's quote. Quite frankly I am not going to waste my time searching through UK government documents just to prove a point. Its not my country and if they want to be spied on in their homes or out in the streets then let them do it. I think its disgusting though.
Christian Graus wrote:
I said if it's being done, it's for a reason. I was expecting the story to be an exaggeration, rather than a lie.
Well they already have millions of cameras all over cities and towns so it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
Christian Graus wrote:
I get it from being an adult who interacts with the world and knows how it works
You have little idea how it works. You refuse to learn how the international banking system works and how its used to gain political power. You don't even understand power. The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America [^]
Christian Graus wrote:
This is just a pile of crap. Why would they want to do that ?
They are already setting it up. Just look at all the cameras in the UK. Its for power. Don't you understand that power is like a drug? They want more and more, they are a bunch of control freaks that cant get enough power.
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Christian Graus wrote:
'double-think' is what you call anything you're too dumb to understand.
Doublethink is the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies.
Christian Graus wrote:
The journalist is known to fabricate stuff, and no other source backs up her claims
Well, I can find 331 hits using Mr. Ball's quote. Quite frankly I am not going to waste my time searching through UK government documents just to prove a point. Its not my country and if they want to be spied on in their homes or out in the streets then let them do it. I think its disgusting though.
Christian Graus wrote:
I said if it's being done, it's for a reason. I was expecting the story to be an exaggeration, rather than a lie.
Well they already have millions of cameras all over cities and towns so it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
Christian Graus wrote:
I get it from being an adult who interacts with the world and knows how it works
You have little idea how it works. You refuse to learn how the international banking system works and how its used to gain political power. You don't even understand power. The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America [^]
Christian Graus wrote:
This is just a pile of crap. Why would they want to do that ?
They are already setting it up. Just look at all the cameras in the UK. Its for power. Don't you understand that power is like a drug? They want more and more, they are a bunch of control freaks that cant get enough power.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Doublethink is the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies.
OK, sounds like what you do here all the time. It means nothing, unless you can prove what you're saying is actually true. Like all the things you say about me, and run like a girl when I ask you to prove them
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Quite frankly I am not going to waste my time searching through UK government documents just to prove a point.
So why are we talking about something you can't be bothered investigating ? Why do you want to tell me it's true, but you don't have time to prove it ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Its not my country and if they want to be spied on in their homes or out in the streets then that is fine with me.
LOL - that's not the point. The point is, you can't prove the story is true.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You refuse to learn how the international banking system works and how its used to gain political power. You don't even understand power.
I do understand it. I understand the reasons you have no power in your life, and spend your days watching brain dead youtube videos.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Just look at all the cameras in the UK. Its for power. Don't you understand that power is like a drug? They want more and more, they are a bunch of control freaks that cant get enough power.
Yes, this is the crap you keep spouting. You're a moron.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Doublethink is the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies.
OK, sounds like what you do here all the time. It means nothing, unless you can prove what you're saying is actually true. Like all the things you say about me, and run like a girl when I ask you to prove them
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Quite frankly I am not going to waste my time searching through UK government documents just to prove a point.
So why are we talking about something you can't be bothered investigating ? Why do you want to tell me it's true, but you don't have time to prove it ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Its not my country and if they want to be spied on in their homes or out in the streets then that is fine with me.
LOL - that's not the point. The point is, you can't prove the story is true.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You refuse to learn how the international banking system works and how its used to gain political power. You don't even understand power.
I do understand it. I understand the reasons you have no power in your life, and spend your days watching brain dead youtube videos.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Just look at all the cameras in the UK. Its for power. Don't you understand that power is like a drug? They want more and more, they are a bunch of control freaks that cant get enough power.
Yes, this is the crap you keep spouting. You're a moron.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I understand the reasons you have no power in your life, and spend your days watching brain dead youtube videos.
I spend my days educating myself with the most comprehensive living library in the world. I read, watch documentaries, communicate in forums, get news, discover new music and explore the world. The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America [^] This is a highly informative non-conspiracy documentary that I think everyone will find interesting.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I understand the reasons you have no power in your life, and spend your days watching brain dead youtube videos.
I spend my days educating myself with the most comprehensive living library in the world. I read, watch documentaries, communicate in forums, get news, discover new music and explore the world. The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America [^] This is a highly informative non-conspiracy documentary that I think everyone will find interesting.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I spend my days educating myself with the most comprehensive living library in the world. I read, watch documentaries, communicate in forums, get news, discover new music and explore the world.
I notice you don't work, or interact with others.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I spend my days educating myself with the most comprehensive living library in the world. I read, watch documentaries, communicate in forums, get news, discover new music and explore the world.
I notice you don't work, or interact with others.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I notice you don't work, or interact with others.
I do both. I prefer peace and quite. I admit that I am a solitary person by nature, but so what?
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Christian Graus wrote:
I notice you don't work, or interact with others.
I do both. I prefer peace and quite. I admit that I am a solitary person by nature, but so what?
Just establishing that you sit alone with your paranoia, with no human contact to temper it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
The state is stepping in because of child abuse.
Where did the news article say anything about child abuse? It said it's main focus was making sure that kids go to bed on time and do their homework. It also said that the parents that are in good status with the government will be given new rights to complain about others that might not be in good standing with the person that is complaining to the government, and therefor the person who was ratted out would be subjected to government spying in their home. This sets the precedent for a massive expansion of the program, which I'm sure will become acceptable in the UK because they will tolerate anything except freedom. How do we know that you don't abuse your children? You seem to be a little off in your morals. You have stated that child molestation is OK as long as it is mainstream and is acceptable by the majority, and you clearly believe that people should be sterilized at birth and have camera in their homes to watch and listen to their every action. Perhaps you need one of those cameras.
Christian Graus wrote:
Which is happening because the stupidest people in society are being allowed to breed.
Where did the article say anything about stupid people? Some of the smartest people in the world are psychopaths. Just look at the people in our government. They clearly don't care about anything except money and power, and those are the people that you want to allow to control, monitor, and inventory every aspect of people's lives.
Christian Graus wrote:
let the kids suffer, and possibly die
That is an intellectually bankrupt statement. If someone is really abusing a child, why isn't that person in jail and the child allowed to be raised by another family member or something?
Christian Graus wrote:
stop these people from breeding
Well you have already made it clear that you are all for it, but will you allow yourself to be sterilized? What about your children? You ought to take them in for sterilization to help save the planet.
Christian Graus wrote:
get the state involved to protect the rights of innocent children
Thats what the police are for, they come and arrest you after you break the law by committing child abuse. As the ar
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You seem to be a little off in your morals. You have stated that child molestation is OK as long as it is mainstream and is acceptable by the majority, and you clearly believe that people should be sterilized at birth and have camera in their homes to watch and listen to their every action.
He's never said anything like that. It's telling that you would fabricate such smears like that, and even more telling that you would believe them.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You seem to be a little off in your morals. You have stated that child molestation is OK as long as it is mainstream and is acceptable by the majority, and you clearly believe that people should be sterilized at birth and have camera in their homes to watch and listen to their every action.
He's never said anything like that. It's telling that you would fabricate such smears like that, and even more telling that you would believe them.
Yes, the big issue is that it's not a smear in his mind, his limited command of English combined with his tendency to look for evil in others, means he actually believes this is true.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Yes, the big issue is that it's not a smear in his mind, his limited command of English combined with his tendency to look for evil in others, means he actually believes this is true.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
He's turning into Idíot. It's sad.
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I take it your point is, if the story supports your worldview, then there's no burden of proof involved, it HAS to be true, because you WANT it to be ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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The UK government is about to spend $700 million dollars installing surveillance cameras inside the private homes of citizens to ensure that children go to bed on time, attend school and eat proper meals. No you aren’t reading a passage from George Orwell’s 1984 or Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World, this is Britain in 2009, a country which already has more surveillance cameras watching its population than the whole of Europe put together. Now the government is embarking on a scheme called “Family Intervention Projects” which will literally create a nanny state on steroids, with social services goons and private security guards given the authority to make regular “home checks” to ensure parents are raising their children correctly. Telescreens will also be installed so government spies can keep an eye on whether parents are mistreating kids and whether the kids are fulfilling their obligations under a pre-signed contract. Around 2,000 families have been targeted by this program so far and the government wants to snare 20,000 more within the next two years. The tab will be picked up by the taxpayer, with the “interventions” being funded through local council authorities. Another key aspect of the program will see parents deemed “responsible” by the government handed the power to denounce and report bad parents who allow their children to engage in bad behavior. Such families will then be targeted for “interventions”. Both parents and children will also be forced to sign a “behavior contract” with the government known as Home School Agreements before the start of every year, in which the state will dictate obligations that it expects to be met. The opposition Conservative Party, who are clear favorites to win the next British election, commented that the program does not go far enough and is “too little, too late.” Anyone who says something like “I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?” is intellectually bankrupt because you didn’t take into account a corrupt and criminal police force and government. You are also probably mentally ill because it is just plain weird to want to be watched by strangers in your own home. http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736[^]
I would go through point by point, but your article seems to have vanished - Wayback doesn't have a copy either. Do you have any proof, or is this your usual collection of ramblings?
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I would go through point by point, but your article seems to have vanished - Wayback doesn't have a copy either. Do you have any proof, or is this your usual collection of ramblings?
Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
Computafreak wrote:
your article seems to have vanished
Really? Thats odd, I can still access it.
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Computafreak wrote:
your article seems to have vanished
Really? Thats odd, I can still access it.
Yeah, I can see it now. Rather odd. If I can be bothered, I'll have a look. Having read some of this thread's comments, I'm not holding out much hope though - it seems fairly [rubbish|inaccurate|misleading]
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Yeah, I can see it now. Rather odd. If I can be bothered, I'll have a look. Having read some of this thread's comments, I'm not holding out much hope though - it seems fairly [rubbish|inaccurate|misleading]
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I've been looking for the proof they say doesn't exist. I won't tolerate them trying to discredit me and call me insane. At the most intensive level, families who require supervision and support on a 24 hour basis stay in a core residential unit. Upon satisfactory completion of a programme, the family can move into a managed property.[^]
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I've been looking for the proof they say doesn't exist. I won't tolerate them trying to discredit me and call me insane. At the most intensive level, families who require supervision and support on a 24 hour basis stay in a core residential unit. Upon satisfactory completion of a programme, the family can move into a managed property.[^]
this refers to a managed residential home - more like a open-open prison rather than a true home, you state its putting cameras into homes when the truth is putting the worst parents into monitored homes as opposed to locking them up in a prison - a difference that is huge. what would your answer be? let them lose to mistreat the children? to terrorise other residents? to allow them to ruin the hilds life until enough of a case can be brought o have the child removed? (note that even that is suspect as they can just have another it is that they seem good at) or are you opposed to this as it would be difficult to give the kids porn when being so heavly supervised? and we know that you advocate this