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JOHN PILGER: OBAMA IS A CORPORATE MARKETING CREATION

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    CaptainSeeSharp
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    Very well spoken, spot on, amazing. (5 minutes)[^]

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      Very well spoken, spot on, amazing. (5 minutes)[^]

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      Christian Graus
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      Assuming everything he said is true. Did you do any fact checking, or is the fact that it's on youtube enough ? Of course, every leader nowadays is a marketing creation.

      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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        Assuming everything he said is true. Did you do any fact checking, or is the fact that it's on youtube enough ? Of course, every leader nowadays is a marketing creation.

        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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        CaptainSeeSharp
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        Christian Graus wrote:

        Did you do any fact checking

        Yes, everything he said is true.

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          Christian Graus wrote:

          Did you do any fact checking

          Yes, everything he said is true.

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          Christian Graus
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          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

          Yes, everything he said is true.

          I'm interested - what sources did you check to prove he worked for a company that does the CIA's dirty work ?

          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

            Yes, everything he said is true.

            I'm interested - what sources did you check to prove he worked for a company that does the CIA's dirty work ?

            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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            CaptainSeeSharp
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            Christian Graus wrote:

            I'm interested

            Your lazy.

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              Christian Graus wrote:

              I'm interested

              Your lazy.

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              Christian Graus
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              No, I have a job. And an education, I can spell you're. I was more interested to know what actual proof YOU had found.

              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                No, I have a job. And an education, I can spell you're. I was more interested to know what actual proof YOU had found.

                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                CaptainSeeSharp
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                Do your own fact checking. You poor lonely sap, don't you have a family to talk to or something?

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                  Do your own fact checking. You poor lonely sap, don't you have a family to talk to or something?

                  Fall of the Republic[^]

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                  Christian Graus
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                  Funny, I was just playing star wars with my son a moment ago, before my wife took him to school. Now I am working, and, again, I was at least as much interested in your false claims of fact checking, as the facts themselves. The new soapbox is discussion population control. A lot more sensibly and rationally than you're capable of. No, people do not all agree with me, but they at least respond to what I say and not their own insane theories.

                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                    Funny, I was just playing star wars with my son a moment ago, before my wife took him to school. Now I am working, and, again, I was at least as much interested in your false claims of fact checking, as the facts themselves. The new soapbox is discussion population control. A lot more sensibly and rationally than you're capable of. No, people do not all agree with me, but they at least respond to what I say and not their own insane theories.

                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                    Christian Graus wrote:

                    but they at least respond to what I say and not their own insane theories.

                    I present nothing but facts, provable facts. What so called "theory" have I presented that I haven't specifically labeled as my own speculation?

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                      Christian Graus wrote:

                      but they at least respond to what I say and not their own insane theories.

                      I present nothing but facts, provable facts. What so called "theory" have I presented that I haven't specifically labeled as my own speculation?

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                      Christian Graus
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                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                      I present nothing but facts, provable facts.

                      Without any proof. What you've presented is the usual conspiracy theory, which, as I've said, veils itself in obscure facts which it then wildly misinterprets.

                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                        CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                        I present nothing but facts, provable facts.

                        Without any proof. What you've presented is the usual conspiracy theory, which, as I've said, veils itself in obscure facts which it then wildly misinterprets.

                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                        CaptainSeeSharp
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                        Christian Graus wrote:

                        What you've presented is the usual conspiracy theory

                        No, it is fact. You are just too lazy to do your own fact checking.

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                          Christian Graus wrote:

                          What you've presented is the usual conspiracy theory

                          No, it is fact. You are just too lazy to do your own fact checking.

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                          Christian Graus
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                          And you are apparently incapable of proving that you really did any fact checking rather than bleating on about it.

                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                            Funny, I was just playing star wars with my son a moment ago, before my wife took him to school. Now I am working, and, again, I was at least as much interested in your false claims of fact checking, as the facts themselves. The new soapbox is discussion population control. A lot more sensibly and rationally than you're capable of. No, people do not all agree with me, but they at least respond to what I say and not their own insane theories.

                            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                            Christian Graus wrote:

                            Funny, I was just playing star wars with my son a moment ago

                            You're back from Fiji already? How was it?

                            I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me

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                              Christian Graus wrote:

                              Funny, I was just playing star wars with my son a moment ago

                              You're back from Fiji already? How was it?

                              I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me

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                              Christian Graus
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                              It was magic. Our bure was over the water, we had a ladder into the pacific. We got canapes delivered to the room every afternoon, three great restaurant meals a day, it was very relaxing. It was short because it was $1800 a night, and I only agreed to a short stay on that basis. But, it was well worth it.

                              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                Do your own fact checking. You poor lonely sap, don't you have a family to talk to or something?

                                Fall of the Republic[^]

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                                Dalek Dave
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                                This is why you do not have a degree. In a degree submission, you have to provide your proofs for the statements you make, whatever the subject. There we have it people, final proof that this moron is very undereducated. (The proof being he does not provide proofs, excuse the circular logic).

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                                  This is why you do not have a degree. In a degree submission, you have to provide your proofs for the statements you make, whatever the subject. There we have it people, final proof that this moron is very undereducated. (The proof being he does not provide proofs, excuse the circular logic).

                                  ------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006

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                                  CaptainSeeSharp
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                                  Again, I already did my fact checking. I'd appreciate it if you all went through the effort to do your own. I spend a lot of time and effort on my research regardless of the subject being researched. I can give you compilations but I will not backtrack through weeks and months worth of research to try to educate you. I'm not a book writer, and I'm not a document archive, m'kay? :^)

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                                    Assuming everything he said is true. Did you do any fact checking, or is the fact that it's on youtube enough ? Of course, every leader nowadays is a marketing creation.

                                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                    wolfbinary
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                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    fact that it's on youtube enough ?

                                    There are times I really hate youtube. I think this is another reason why I do. Youtube is filled with junk and propaganda.

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                                      Christian Graus wrote:

                                      fact that it's on youtube enough ?

                                      There are times I really hate youtube. I think this is another reason why I do. Youtube is filled with junk and propaganda.

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                                      CaptainSeeSharp
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                                      What is false about what John Pilger said?

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                                        What is false about what John Pilger said?

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                                        I don't know if it is or not because I can't see it because I'm at work and they have it blocked. X| So I went to Wikipedia. His fans supposedly include Chomsky who's been called anarchist, etc. I'm going to need more information, but can't right now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger#Praise_and_criticism[^] Chomsky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky#Political_views[^] Just a brief quote from wikipedia on him "he describes himself as a libertarian socialist". What exactly is a libertarian socialist? Why not stay away from labels and just explain your believes in the simplest of terms.

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                                          I don't know if it is or not because I can't see it because I'm at work and they have it blocked. X| So I went to Wikipedia. His fans supposedly include Chomsky who's been called anarchist, etc. I'm going to need more information, but can't right now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger#Praise_and_criticism[^] Chomsky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky#Political_views[^] Just a brief quote from wikipedia on him "he describes himself as a libertarian socialist". What exactly is a libertarian socialist? Why not stay away from labels and just explain your believes in the simplest of terms.

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                                          CaptainSeeSharp
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                                          I couldn't care less who one of his fans are. When a guy says something and it makes sense, you cant say its false because of some minor irrelevance.

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