This pretty much sums it up.
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The 'threaten to shoot me down and then run and hide like a girl' trick seems to be working for you, however.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
We are living in a plutocratic oligarchic society
Plutocracy is rule by the wealthy, or power provided by wealth. oligarchy - A government run by only a few, often the wealthy; Those who make up an oligarchic government; A state ruled by such a government Did you know what these terms mean ? Are we ruled by wealth ? Undoubtedly. The nation state is subordinate to the corporation nowadays, a lot of the time.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
There are a small group of wealthy eugenicists who own our political parties, our media, our industry, our military, our economy and our education system.
This is just crap. Eugenicists is just an emotional term that you and those like you use in ignorance. eugenics - The science of improving stock, whether human or animal; A social philosophy which advocates the improvement of human hereditary qualities through selective breeding You make claims relating to the limiting of population ( which is still the only way our race can survive unassisted ), but eugenics is about selective breeding, not limiting breeding altogether.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They put fluoride in our drinking water and tell us brush with fluoride toothpaste twice a day to lower our I.Q.’s and our fertility.
I have drunk fluoridated water all my life. I have two children and an above average IQ. Are you claiming that the scientists of the pre fluoride world were all bought off as we were sold a toxin, without which I'd be a super breeding genius ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They vaccinate us with syringes full of mercury, squalene and polysorbate to cause brain inflammation and auto-immune diseases which destroy our natural immune system, thereby making us more susceptible to chronic disease.
I've had all my shots. I am very healthy, in fact I had my wisdom teeth out last week, and my system, as usual, bounced back far faster than doctors expected. Again, you're claiming that when these things were introduced, doctors and scientists stood by and said nothing ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They spray bromide ions and aluminum dioxide into the atmosphere to lower our I.Q.’s, sterilize us, and give us cancer.
I have no idea what he's claiming here. However, I am not sterile, nor
Christian Graus wrote:
Undoubtedly. The nation state is subordinate to the corporation nowadays, a lot of the time.
Well I'm glad we can agree on that. So we live in a plutocratic oligarchic.
Christian Graus wrote:
This is just crap.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Undoubtedly. The nation state is subordinate to the corporation nowadays, a lot of the time.
Well I'm glad we can agree on that. So we live in a plutocratic oligarchic.
Christian Graus wrote:
This is just crap.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well I'm glad we can agree on that. So we live in a plutocratic oligarchic.
Well, I don't quite agree 100%, but it's true that money talks.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
This is not genuine debunking Christan.
As I said before, you make outlandish claims, YOU have to prove they are true. If I say that the purple headed spaghetti monster is on the loose, I need to prove it, you don't need to prove it's not true, to disbelieve it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
In 2002 Mark R. Warner, the governor of Virginia issued an apology for the thousands of individuals that the state had sterilized from 1924 to 1979. USA Today reported on the governors statement,
I don't see this text in your link ? People were sterilised for all sorts of reasons that qualify as eugenics. However, if you do some reading, the people involved, were people with disabilities, who were being paid for by the state, and the idea was to stop them having more disabled offspring. That doesn't make it right, but it's a long bow to jump from this to a general program of eugenics across the whole population. They have nothing to do with each other.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Here is a list of eugenicists.
You are pretty dumb. 1 - what does this list prove ? 2 - I do not dispute that eugenics was considered scientifically sound when these people lived. This proves nothing.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Dental Association (ADA) spent over $50,000 in a political campaign to promote fluoridation.[^]
So, the DENTISTS promoted fluoridation, in the face of the ignorance that you're peddling, not for the good of people's teeth, but because these are EUGENICIST DENTISTS ? You've got nothing.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
As you can see[^ intelligent doctors speak out against the vaccines and provide tons of evedence against the vaccines being pushed.
The trouble with the internet, is that it allows crackpots to gain critical mass. So there's some doctors who are against vaccines. What percentage of doctors feel this way ? What sort of doctors are they ? Why should I care about their opinions especially, over all the doctors who don't oppose vaccinations ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Undoubtedly. The nation state is subordinate to the corporation nowadays, a lot of the time.
Well I'm glad we can agree on that. So we live in a plutocratic oligarchic.
Christian Graus wrote:
This is just crap.
Just to add, this from the anti vaccinations doctor: "In 1987 I started an education as a Classical Homeopath. " Homeopaths are nut jobs. They basically take ingredients that are not useful anyhow, and dilute them to the point that they are basically no longer there. They believe the water remembers what it was like for them to be there, and that this makes people well. It's a scam. No wonder he hates real medicine.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well I'm glad we can agree on that. So we live in a plutocratic oligarchic.
Well, I don't quite agree 100%, but it's true that money talks.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
This is not genuine debunking Christan.
As I said before, you make outlandish claims, YOU have to prove they are true. If I say that the purple headed spaghetti monster is on the loose, I need to prove it, you don't need to prove it's not true, to disbelieve it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
In 2002 Mark R. Warner, the governor of Virginia issued an apology for the thousands of individuals that the state had sterilized from 1924 to 1979. USA Today reported on the governors statement,
I don't see this text in your link ? People were sterilised for all sorts of reasons that qualify as eugenics. However, if you do some reading, the people involved, were people with disabilities, who were being paid for by the state, and the idea was to stop them having more disabled offspring. That doesn't make it right, but it's a long bow to jump from this to a general program of eugenics across the whole population. They have nothing to do with each other.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Here is a list of eugenicists.
You are pretty dumb. 1 - what does this list prove ? 2 - I do not dispute that eugenics was considered scientifically sound when these people lived. This proves nothing.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Dental Association (ADA) spent over $50,000 in a political campaign to promote fluoridation.[^]
So, the DENTISTS promoted fluoridation, in the face of the ignorance that you're peddling, not for the good of people's teeth, but because these are EUGENICIST DENTISTS ? You've got nothing.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
As you can see[^ intelligent doctors speak out against the vaccines and provide tons of evedence against the vaccines being pushed.
The trouble with the internet, is that it allows crackpots to gain critical mass. So there's some doctors who are against vaccines. What percentage of doctors feel this way ? What sort of doctors are they ? Why should I care about their opinions especially, over all the doctors who don't oppose vaccinations ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
but it's true that money talks.
And where is that money ultimately coming from? Who has the monopoly and ultimate control over the money supply these days?
Christian Graus wrote:
I don't see this text in your link ?
Well perhaps you should read the article and you will get to it.
Christian Graus wrote:
1 - what does this list prove ?
That there are a small group of wealthy eugenicists who own our political parties, our media, our industry, our military, our economy and our education system. There are many more I can add to that list, for instance the Rockefeller family.
Christian Graus wrote:
So, the DENTISTS promoted fluoridation
No, an front paid politicians to promote fluoride in the water supply.
Christian Graus wrote:
What sort of doctors are they ?
Dr A. Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control Officer, US Food and Drug Administration Dr R. Mendelsohn, Author and Professor of Paediatrics Professor L.C. Vincent, Founder of Bioelectronics Professor George Dick, London University The list goes on and on...
Christian Graus wrote:
but what does it prove ?
GM Crops bad... read the article. GM crops don't help people... GM crops crossbread with natural crops causing famine... GM crops killing natural life... read the article. Watch this documentary if you are too lazy to read.[^]
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Just to add, this from the anti vaccinations doctor: "In 1987 I started an education as a Classical Homeopath. " Homeopaths are nut jobs. They basically take ingredients that are not useful anyhow, and dilute them to the point that they are basically no longer there. They believe the water remembers what it was like for them to be there, and that this makes people well. It's a scam. No wonder he hates real medicine.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
What about these guys? Dr A. Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control Officer, US Food and Drug Administration Dr R. Mendelsohn, Author and Professor of Paediatrics Professor L.C. Vincent, Founder of Bioelectronics Professor George Dick, London University
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Christian Graus wrote:
but it's true that money talks.
And where is that money ultimately coming from? Who has the monopoly and ultimate control over the money supply these days?
Christian Graus wrote:
I don't see this text in your link ?
Well perhaps you should read the article and you will get to it.
Christian Graus wrote:
1 - what does this list prove ?
That there are a small group of wealthy eugenicists who own our political parties, our media, our industry, our military, our economy and our education system. There are many more I can add to that list, for instance the Rockefeller family.
Christian Graus wrote:
So, the DENTISTS promoted fluoridation
No, an front paid politicians to promote fluoride in the water supply.
Christian Graus wrote:
What sort of doctors are they ?
Dr A. Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control Officer, US Food and Drug Administration Dr R. Mendelsohn, Author and Professor of Paediatrics Professor L.C. Vincent, Founder of Bioelectronics Professor George Dick, London University The list goes on and on...
Christian Graus wrote:
but what does it prove ?
GM Crops bad... read the article. GM crops don't help people... GM crops crossbread with natural crops causing famine... GM crops killing natural life... read the article. Watch this documentary if you are too lazy to read.[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
And where is that money ultimately coming from?
All sorts of places
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Who has the monopoly and ultimate control over the money supply these days?
The big question is, why was supply given to the people to whom it was ? How does it change your life ? You'd have no money, no matter where it came from.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well perhaps you should read the article and you will get to it.
I scanned it. Remember, guy with a job, kids and a wife on this end. I don't have all day to read long articles, you need to take me to the meat if you want me to read it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
That there are a small group of wealthy eugenicists who own our political parties, our media, our industry, our military, our economy and our education system.
How on earth does it prove that ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
There are many more I can add to that list, for instance the Rockefeller family
Anyone with any education in the late 180th century was probably a eugenicist. So what ? Again, that's what people believed then. You need to prove that there's people who a - believe it now b - have the power to do something about it, now c- ARE doing something about it now That we have artificial sweetners, proves nothing.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No, an front paid politicians to promote fluoride in the water supply.
OK, so you need to a - prove that b - prove their motive c - explain why it is that this is killing us, and most people, including dentists, accept it
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The list goes on and on...
OK, so these people sound more impressive than the clown you linked to. But, you're just throwing out names. Again, it doesn't prove that there's a remote consensus or anything approaching a majority view in the medical world. That's ignoring that you're yet to suggest what the motive is in all of this ( as in, something that makes sense, not just 'eugenics', which it plainly is not ). There are plenty of scientists who are creationists. I could list them all, after a google search, and pretend to believe that no scientist believes in
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What about these guys? Dr A. Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control Officer, US Food and Drug Administration Dr R. Mendelsohn, Author and Professor of Paediatrics Professor L.C. Vincent, Founder of Bioelectronics Professor George Dick, London University
Lot's of 'founders'. In other words, people who were around for a change and couldn't grasp it. Sorry, but it doesn't change my point. You can use google to gather crackpots all the time. What you hide from most, is context. What percentage of doctors are against vaccinations ? Based on what evidence ?
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David Mason September 7, 2009 We are living in a plutocratic oligarchic society. There are a small group of wealthy eugenicists who own our political parties, our media, our industry, our military, our economy and our education system. They put fluoride in our drinking water and tell us brush with fluoride toothpaste twice a day to lower our I.Q.’s and our fertility. They vaccinate us with syringes full of mercury, squalene and polysorbate to cause brain inflammation and auto-immune diseases which destroy our natural immune system, thereby making us more susceptible to chronic disease. They spray bromide ions and aluminum dioxide into the atmosphere to lower our I.Q.’s, sterilize us, and give us cancer. They feed us genetically modified food, interfering with our D.N.A. and reducing the gene pool of the plants and animals we humans need to survive. They sweeten our drinks with aspartame, an industrial waste product, which lowers I.Q. and interferes with brain function. They flood our streets with harmful drugs which reduce brain function and induce dependency, amongst a myriad of other health issues. At the same time, they have banned the cure for cancer; vitamin B-17 which can be found in the pips of apples. An apple a day keeps cancer away. They indoctrinate our children between 6 and 7 hours a day, 5 days a week, 40 weeks a year, for up to 15 years. They own and run all major television, radio and internet communication networks. They tell us what to think about and how to think about it. They tell us the world is over populated, that earth cannot sustain 6.5 billion people. In fact, there is enough room on the land of this planet for every man, woman and child to have 175m by 175m of land each. We accept the lie of overpopulation because of the rat-maze, prison-like cities which they have created and we find ourselves in. They tell us global warming is caused by carbon dioxide, when in reality carbon dioxide levels increase after a period of warming has begun, due to the abundance of life which flourishes in warm environments. Carbon dioxide is what humans breathe out and plants breathe in. Most life forms on this planet are carbon based and produce or require carbon dioxide in their respiration. They use the excuse of global warming to increase our taxes and demonize our fellow human beings. In fact, the entire solar system is going through a period of warming. Your carbon footprint is not responsible for the melting of the ice-caps of Mars and the frozen seas of Europa. Global w
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
such as the I.M.F. and World Bank, impose their will upon poor countries which are in need of financial investment.
I was watching netflix, with my wife and kids, specifically Mission Impossible. We are on first season. The "Impossible Mission Force" is cool. Told my wife when I was a teenager in high school I thought Barbra Bain was hot. I got a pillow in the face. A bit off topic from your rant, but IMF reminded me of a cool old show of the 70's.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
such as the I.M.F. and World Bank, impose their will upon poor countries which are in need of financial investment.
I was watching netflix, with my wife and kids, specifically Mission Impossible. We are on first season. The "Impossible Mission Force" is cool. Told my wife when I was a teenager in high school I thought Barbra Bain was hot. I got a pillow in the face. A bit off topic from your rant, but IMF reminded me of a cool old show of the 70's.
kmg365 wrote:
Told my wife when I was a teenager in high school I thought Barbra Bain was hot. I got a pillow in the face.
I'd have got far worse than that ( and regularly do ).
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
And where is that money ultimately coming from?
All sorts of places
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Who has the monopoly and ultimate control over the money supply these days?
The big question is, why was supply given to the people to whom it was ? How does it change your life ? You'd have no money, no matter where it came from.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well perhaps you should read the article and you will get to it.
I scanned it. Remember, guy with a job, kids and a wife on this end. I don't have all day to read long articles, you need to take me to the meat if you want me to read it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
That there are a small group of wealthy eugenicists who own our political parties, our media, our industry, our military, our economy and our education system.
How on earth does it prove that ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
There are many more I can add to that list, for instance the Rockefeller family
Anyone with any education in the late 180th century was probably a eugenicist. So what ? Again, that's what people believed then. You need to prove that there's people who a - believe it now b - have the power to do something about it, now c- ARE doing something about it now That we have artificial sweetners, proves nothing.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No, an front paid politicians to promote fluoride in the water supply.
OK, so you need to a - prove that b - prove their motive c - explain why it is that this is killing us, and most people, including dentists, accept it
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The list goes on and on...
OK, so these people sound more impressive than the clown you linked to. But, you're just throwing out names. Again, it doesn't prove that there's a remote consensus or anything approaching a majority view in the medical world. That's ignoring that you're yet to suggest what the motive is in all of this ( as in, something that makes sense, not just 'eugenics', which it plainly is not ). There are plenty of scientists who are creationists. I could list them all, after a google search, and pretend to believe that no scientist believes in
Christian Graus wrote:
All sorts of places
What a lame answer. The correct answer is the central banks. Each currency has its own central bank. The "Federal" "Reserve" is where every single dollar in circulation ultimately originated from AS A LOAN WITH INTEREST ATTACHED, so I ask you, how do we pay off this massive loan?
Christian Graus wrote:
The big question is, why was supply given to the people to whom it was ?
On December 23, 1913, the Federal Reserve Act, also known as the Glass-Owen Bill, was passed. The Republican controlled Senate rammed the bill through when many members of the US Congress were home for the holiday. The President, Dr. Thomas Woodrow Wilson, signed it into law one hour after being passed by the Congress! Somebody very powerful really wanted this law passed. The Federal Reserve System is an independent central bank. Although the President of the United States appoints the chairman of the Fed, and this appointment is approved by the United States Senate, the decisions of the Fed do not have to be ratified by the President, or anyone else in the executive branch of the United States government. Buried in the legislation was the granting of total power over the monetary policies of all US banks. A very curious statement is found in the original 1913 law. SEC. 30. The right to amend, alter, or repeal this Act is hereby expressly reserved. Reserved expressly to whom, or what? No definition is provided. This is the entire Section 30 statement! "Curiouser and curiouser, cried Alice". [^] The US Federal Reserve, Bank of England, Bank of Japan and the European Central Bank (for the 12 European countries that adopted the single euro currency in 1999) are institutions with enormous power far beyond what most people everywhere can imagine. These most dominant of all central banks, as well as most others, have a powerful influence on the financial conditions in virtually all countries including their own, of course, in an increasingly borderless financial world where a significant economic event in one nation can affect most others for better or worse. One other powerful bank is also part of today's financial world. It needs mentioning because of its importance, even though it requires a separate article to explai
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kmg365 wrote:
Told my wife when I was a teenager in high school I thought Barbra Bain was hot. I got a pillow in the face.
I'd have got far worse than that ( and regularly do ).
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
All sorts of places
What a lame answer. The correct answer is the central banks. Each currency has its own central bank. The "Federal" "Reserve" is where every single dollar in circulation ultimately originated from AS A LOAN WITH INTEREST ATTACHED, so I ask you, how do we pay off this massive loan?
Christian Graus wrote:
The big question is, why was supply given to the people to whom it was ?
On December 23, 1913, the Federal Reserve Act, also known as the Glass-Owen Bill, was passed. The Republican controlled Senate rammed the bill through when many members of the US Congress were home for the holiday. The President, Dr. Thomas Woodrow Wilson, signed it into law one hour after being passed by the Congress! Somebody very powerful really wanted this law passed. The Federal Reserve System is an independent central bank. Although the President of the United States appoints the chairman of the Fed, and this appointment is approved by the United States Senate, the decisions of the Fed do not have to be ratified by the President, or anyone else in the executive branch of the United States government. Buried in the legislation was the granting of total power over the monetary policies of all US banks. A very curious statement is found in the original 1913 law. SEC. 30. The right to amend, alter, or repeal this Act is hereby expressly reserved. Reserved expressly to whom, or what? No definition is provided. This is the entire Section 30 statement! "Curiouser and curiouser, cried Alice". [^] The US Federal Reserve, Bank of England, Bank of Japan and the European Central Bank (for the 12 European countries that adopted the single euro currency in 1999) are institutions with enormous power far beyond what most people everywhere can imagine. These most dominant of all central banks, as well as most others, have a powerful influence on the financial conditions in virtually all countries including their own, of course, in an increasingly borderless financial world where a significant economic event in one nation can affect most others for better or worse. One other powerful bank is also part of today's financial world. It needs mentioning because of its importance, even though it requires a separate article to explai
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The rest is trivial mind games.
So you admit that the stuff you posted about vaccinations and GM crops is a pile of crap ? Because I tried to call you on how you didn't answer me, and you seem to have abandoned it entirely.
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Oh, I give my wife hell, is basically it in a nutshell. And then she smacks me.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The rest is trivial mind games.
So you admit that the stuff you posted about vaccinations and GM crops is a pile of crap ? Because I tried to call you on how you didn't answer me, and you seem to have abandoned it entirely.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Oh, I give my wife hell, is basically it in a nutshell. And then she smacks me.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I'm sorry, but you don't get to change the rules midstream. I have focused my reply on GM crops and vaccinations. You brought these things up. Now you need to prove the claims that you've made and answer me the responses I have made to your claims.
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I'm glad, I keep telling my wife that all men are the same, but she won't believe me.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I'm sorry, but you don't get to change the rules midstream. I have focused my reply on GM crops and vaccinations. You brought these things up. Now you need to prove the claims that you've made and answer me the responses I have made to your claims.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I have focused my reply on GM crops and vaccinations. You brought these things up.
I've also brought up the banking aspect. I've provided proof and can provide tons more on the banking aspect, so you have to admit that I am right and we can move on to GM and vaccines or include it in your lame and futile "debunking" so I can further correct you.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I have focused my reply on GM crops and vaccinations. You brought these things up.
I've also brought up the banking aspect. I've provided proof and can provide tons more on the banking aspect, so you have to admit that I am right and we can move on to GM and vaccines or include it in your lame and futile "debunking" so I can further correct you.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I've also brought up the banking aspect. I've provided proof and can provide tons more on the banking aspect, so you have to admit that I am right and we can move on to GM and vaccines or include it in your lame and futile "debunking" so I can further correct you.
OK - so basically you refuse to address the points I raised, unless I 'accept' that you're right about something that I've not yet addressed. I guess that pretty much shows what you're made of then.
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