I'm I a conspiracy theorist now? [modified]
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Welcome back John. Trust you are well? Do tell me next door SoapBox 1.0[^].
I'm fine Richard. Best I've been in a loooong time.
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Alex hogarth wrote:
it became unusable so why do you think it could be reinstated?
It is the most sounds monetary system one can ever have. I'm not talking about a paper based gold standard as you keep mentioning. I'm talking about real hard money gold and silver coin.
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It's not that it's produced - it's that it is supply limited. You can't back every dollar with gold - there isn't enough to go around.
73Zeppelin wrote:
You can't back every dollar with gold - there isn't enough to go around. Quote Selected Text
This is the stupidest argument against gold and silver. The value of gold and silver goes up as demand for it increases and as demand increases, so does the profitability of mining more gold and silver. To think we have mined all of the metals is ridiculous, it just takes more effort to get to it. It works out well. Perhaps 0.01 will be worth 25 cents but that is the way it used to be.
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I'm fine Richard. Best I've been in a loooong time.
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Looks like you might need a history lesson of why and how Gold lost position. Start by looking at Nixon and work back in time...
Yeah, all the real wealth was consolidated into the hands of the very same people who control the fiat money. Gold and silver has worked for thousands of years, and has retained its value throughout history. You can't get anymore stable than gold and silver. That is why people flock to it when they realize how fragile their manipulated fiat paper crud is.
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It will help third world countries to repay their debts. Since you're all about the "common man", what's your problem with it? Paranoid the U.S. will lose it's key currency status?
73Zeppelin wrote:
It will help third world countries to repay their debts.
No it won't. It further entrenches the entire world into their fiat money game. The IMF loans third world countries money that they printed up (stolen from the people who hold the money), and loan it out at ridiculously high interest. All that does is let the IMF profit from money that they did not earn, they devalue the currency they are manipulating, and steal real wealth.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
It will help third world countries to repay their debts.
No it won't. It further entrenches the entire world into their fiat money game. The IMF loans third world countries money that they printed up (stolen from the people who hold the money), and loan it out at ridiculously high interest. All that does is let the IMF profit from money that they did not earn, they devalue the currency they are manipulating, and steal real wealth.
Yes it will. Think about it (if you're capable of that).
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73Zeppelin wrote:
You can't back every dollar with gold - there isn't enough to go around. Quote Selected Text
This is the stupidest argument against gold and silver. The value of gold and silver goes up as demand for it increases and as demand increases, so does the profitability of mining more gold and silver. To think we have mined all of the metals is ridiculous, it just takes more effort to get to it. It works out well. Perhaps 0.01 will be worth 25 cents but that is the way it used to be.
Think "marginal cost of extraction".
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:thumbsup: Knock hard next door, the old sod is getting a bit deaf in his old age ;P (don't tell him I called him an old sod :laugh: )
Heh. I applied to join the group. I'll have to check in in the morning. It's 10:30 pm my time and the alarm goes off at 5 am...
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Heh. I applied to join the group. I'll have to check in in the morning. It's 10:30 pm my time and the alarm goes off at 5 am...
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Think "marginal cost of extraction".
73Zeppelin wrote:
Think "marginal cost of extraction".
It would be good for the economy. Good for jobs that produce something real and useful, and provides a good check to inflation since mining efforts would only be profitable when demand for it is high.
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I'm fine Richard. Best I've been in a loooong time.
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UN wants new global currency to replace dollar[^] HUH? I told you this is going to happen but all you stupid ass sniffing retards say is "You make this up to make you feel like your not a failure" or some stupid ass bullshit. Front and center what you need to know... It is a global scheme of a currency system, controlled by an international institution(s). All the currencies in the world will be subjected to the intervention of the international body(s). It does a great deal at eroding the sovereignty of all nations through the management of their currencies by global minded powers. It does a great deal at eroding the sovereignty of all nations through the management of their currencies by global minded powers. It is a consolidation of power. We all know by now that through the manipulation of the dollar and other currencies, our economy has been destroyed and almost all people have been robbed of their wealth and have been enslaved by the national debt. Ninety-Five percent of the value of the dollar has been lost since the establishment of the federal reserve. Now we are going to go to a consolidated global scheme? bullsh*t on that. There is nothing you can say that will convince me that it is a good thing, because it simply isn't good to consolidate power like that. There is no reason for anyone to have that kind of power for any reason whatsoever. List of prominent people who have spoke out against centralized power over monetary systems. The first witness to be called is Abraham Lincoln. He warned, "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and cause me to tremble for safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic destroyed." Congressman Wright Patman decared, "In the U.S. today, we have in effect two governments. We have the duly constituted government, then we have an independent, uncontrolled and uncoordinated government in the Federal Reserve, operating the money powers which are reserved to congress by the Constitution." Congressman Charles L
I think I speak for all of us here when I say you are a retard that doesn't know crap from shit and we're certain you couldn't find your own ass with both hands, directions and a map. Go and find out what does global currency mean and then read the damned article before you put that hangar over your head because then we might actually discuss something. I doubt it though.
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UN wants new global currency to replace dollar[^] HUH? I told you this is going to happen but all you stupid ass sniffing retards say is "You make this up to make you feel like your not a failure" or some stupid ass bullshit. Front and center what you need to know... It is a global scheme of a currency system, controlled by an international institution(s). All the currencies in the world will be subjected to the intervention of the international body(s). It does a great deal at eroding the sovereignty of all nations through the management of their currencies by global minded powers. It does a great deal at eroding the sovereignty of all nations through the management of their currencies by global minded powers. It is a consolidation of power. We all know by now that through the manipulation of the dollar and other currencies, our economy has been destroyed and almost all people have been robbed of their wealth and have been enslaved by the national debt. Ninety-Five percent of the value of the dollar has been lost since the establishment of the federal reserve. Now we are going to go to a consolidated global scheme? bullsh*t on that. There is nothing you can say that will convince me that it is a good thing, because it simply isn't good to consolidate power like that. There is no reason for anyone to have that kind of power for any reason whatsoever. List of prominent people who have spoke out against centralized power over monetary systems. The first witness to be called is Abraham Lincoln. He warned, "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and cause me to tremble for safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic destroyed." Congressman Wright Patman decared, "In the U.S. today, we have in effect two governments. We have the duly constituted government, then we have an independent, uncontrolled and uncoordinated government in the Federal Reserve, operating the money powers which are reserved to congress by the Constitution." Congressman Charles L
Here's some fun things to consider. 1 - assuming there was a global currency, how would that guarentee any of the things you keep predicting ? 2 - just because the UN wants it, does that mean it will happen ? 3 - if we start to discuss this, will you suddenly run scared when we point out the holes in your theories, like you did to me yesterday ?
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I think I speak for all of us here when I say you are a retard that doesn't know crap from shit and we're certain you couldn't find your own ass with both hands, directions and a map. Go and find out what does global currency mean and then read the damned article before you put that hangar over your head because then we might actually discuss something. I doubt it though.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
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If only I could....
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
If the post was helpful, please vote, eh!
If only I could....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Cheers!
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Yeah, all the real wealth was consolidated into the hands of the very same people who control the fiat money. Gold and silver has worked for thousands of years, and has retained its value throughout history. You can't get anymore stable than gold and silver. That is why people flock to it when they realize how fragile their manipulated fiat paper crud is.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You can't get anymore stable than gold and silver.
Rubbish. There have been bubbles in gold, and it's fallen dramatically in value at times.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Here's some fun things to consider. 1 - assuming there was a global currency, how would that guarentee any of the things you keep predicting ? 2 - just because the UN wants it, does that mean it will happen ? 3 - if we start to discuss this, will you suddenly run scared when we point out the holes in your theories, like you did to me yesterday ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Ok, I will thoroughly answer all three of your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
1 - assuming there was a global currency, how would that guarentee any of the things you keep predicting ?
It doesn't guarantee anything but the consolidation of power on a global scale and that power will be used in a manner that is similar to the current central banking scheme that has been used for hundreds of years and as of now. For example, people will be trapped into the debt circle as central banks such as the federal reserve and the bank of england have always done. The central bank acts as a independent institution that controls the monetary system of the nation it represents. The central bank loans the money that it makes out of thin air (devaluing the currency, taking from people's hard earned savings) and loans that out with interest to other banks, corporations (bonds) and the government (treasuries). It acts as a independent governmental body that governs and manipulates the economy and funds itself by printing its money and also using that money to collect interest (a tax so to speak). As we can clearly see with the federal reserve, it is extremely secretive about its operations. You have to remember that every single dollar in circulation must be paid back to the federal reserve with interest. As you can imagine, it is impossible without taking another loan from the central bank to pay off the old loan. The value of the dollar has decreased by 95% since the inception of the federal reserve. Any money that you save gets devalued (stolen) right out of your pocket. Its modern slavery.
Christian Graus wrote:
2 - just because the UN wants it, does that mean it will happen ?
The UN is the global body that represents global minded powers, it is the outlet for which global powers debate and press onto the world their agenda. I will own you on this subject.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You can't get anymore stable than gold and silver.
Rubbish. There have been bubbles in gold, and it's fallen dramatically in value at times.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
There have been bubbles in gold, and it's fallen dramatically in value at times.
That is because people go back and forth between paper crud and hard money. They need to stick with the real money. The value of gold and silver would skyrocket and then would remain fairly stable if it were used as the standard world currency.
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Ok, I will thoroughly answer all three of your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
1 - assuming there was a global currency, how would that guarentee any of the things you keep predicting ?
It doesn't guarantee anything but the consolidation of power on a global scale and that power will be used in a manner that is similar to the current central banking scheme that has been used for hundreds of years and as of now. For example, people will be trapped into the debt circle as central banks such as the federal reserve and the bank of england have always done. The central bank acts as a independent institution that controls the monetary system of the nation it represents. The central bank loans the money that it makes out of thin air (devaluing the currency, taking from people's hard earned savings) and loans that out with interest to other banks, corporations (bonds) and the government (treasuries). It acts as a independent governmental body that governs and manipulates the economy and funds itself by printing its money and also using that money to collect interest (a tax so to speak). As we can clearly see with the federal reserve, it is extremely secretive about its operations. You have to remember that every single dollar in circulation must be paid back to the federal reserve with interest. As you can imagine, it is impossible without taking another loan from the central bank to pay off the old loan. The value of the dollar has decreased by 95% since the inception of the federal reserve. Any money that you save gets devalued (stolen) right out of your pocket. Its modern slavery.
Christian Graus wrote:
2 - just because the UN wants it, does that mean it will happen ?
The UN is the global body that represents global minded powers, it is the outlet for which global powers debate and press onto the world their agenda. I will own you on this subject.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It doesn't guarantee anything
OK. The thing is, all of your theories are based in some sort of googleable truth. Do some people want to see a standard currency ? Almost certainly. I remember when the Euro was 'proof' of the new world order. The world doesn't have to studiously avoid anything conspiracy nuts are scared of, to prove they are wrong.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
For example, people will be trapped into the debt circle as central banks such as the federal reserve and the bank of england have always done.
Well, people who are trapped in debt, will be trapped in debt no matter what the currency is.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The central bank loans the money that it makes out of thin air (devaluing the currency, taking from people's hard earned savings)
Well, this is kind of true. Whoever prints currency, by printing it, devalues the currency out there. That's just how it works. The key is for it to be done responsibily.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
and loans that out with interest to other banks, corporations (bonds) and the government (treasuries).
Yes. banks make their money by charging more interest than they pay. That's how the central bank can control inflation, by affecting interest rates.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
As we can clearly see with the federal reserve, it is extremely secretive about its operations.
So secretive that you can describe them all to me ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The value of the dollar has decreased by 95% since the inception of the federal reserve.
Well, that's mostly because of inflation. The big question is, assuming all of this is true, why was this system set up ? Assuming that your country is a slave to this body, why was this allowed ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The UN is the global body that represents global minded powers, it is the outlet for which global powers debate and press onto the world their agenda.
The UN is a toothless tiger, mostly.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I will own you on this subject.
You said you were going to answer all my points. Liar.