I'm I a conspiracy theorist now? [modified]
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
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Yeah, all the real wealth was consolidated into the hands of the very same people who control the fiat money. Gold and silver has worked for thousands of years, and has retained its value throughout history. You can't get anymore stable than gold and silver. That is why people flock to it when they realize how fragile their manipulated fiat paper crud is.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You can't get anymore stable than gold and silver.
Rubbish. There have been bubbles in gold, and it's fallen dramatically in value at times.
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Here's some fun things to consider. 1 - assuming there was a global currency, how would that guarentee any of the things you keep predicting ? 2 - just because the UN wants it, does that mean it will happen ? 3 - if we start to discuss this, will you suddenly run scared when we point out the holes in your theories, like you did to me yesterday ?
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Ok, I will thoroughly answer all three of your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
1 - assuming there was a global currency, how would that guarentee any of the things you keep predicting ?
It doesn't guarantee anything but the consolidation of power on a global scale and that power will be used in a manner that is similar to the current central banking scheme that has been used for hundreds of years and as of now. For example, people will be trapped into the debt circle as central banks such as the federal reserve and the bank of england have always done. The central bank acts as a independent institution that controls the monetary system of the nation it represents. The central bank loans the money that it makes out of thin air (devaluing the currency, taking from people's hard earned savings) and loans that out with interest to other banks, corporations (bonds) and the government (treasuries). It acts as a independent governmental body that governs and manipulates the economy and funds itself by printing its money and also using that money to collect interest (a tax so to speak). As we can clearly see with the federal reserve, it is extremely secretive about its operations. You have to remember that every single dollar in circulation must be paid back to the federal reserve with interest. As you can imagine, it is impossible without taking another loan from the central bank to pay off the old loan. The value of the dollar has decreased by 95% since the inception of the federal reserve. Any money that you save gets devalued (stolen) right out of your pocket. Its modern slavery.
Christian Graus wrote:
2 - just because the UN wants it, does that mean it will happen ?
The UN is the global body that represents global minded powers, it is the outlet for which global powers debate and press onto the world their agenda. I will own you on this subject.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You can't get anymore stable than gold and silver.
Rubbish. There have been bubbles in gold, and it's fallen dramatically in value at times.
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Christian Graus wrote:
There have been bubbles in gold, and it's fallen dramatically in value at times.
That is because people go back and forth between paper crud and hard money. They need to stick with the real money. The value of gold and silver would skyrocket and then would remain fairly stable if it were used as the standard world currency.
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Ok, I will thoroughly answer all three of your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
1 - assuming there was a global currency, how would that guarentee any of the things you keep predicting ?
It doesn't guarantee anything but the consolidation of power on a global scale and that power will be used in a manner that is similar to the current central banking scheme that has been used for hundreds of years and as of now. For example, people will be trapped into the debt circle as central banks such as the federal reserve and the bank of england have always done. The central bank acts as a independent institution that controls the monetary system of the nation it represents. The central bank loans the money that it makes out of thin air (devaluing the currency, taking from people's hard earned savings) and loans that out with interest to other banks, corporations (bonds) and the government (treasuries). It acts as a independent governmental body that governs and manipulates the economy and funds itself by printing its money and also using that money to collect interest (a tax so to speak). As we can clearly see with the federal reserve, it is extremely secretive about its operations. You have to remember that every single dollar in circulation must be paid back to the federal reserve with interest. As you can imagine, it is impossible without taking another loan from the central bank to pay off the old loan. The value of the dollar has decreased by 95% since the inception of the federal reserve. Any money that you save gets devalued (stolen) right out of your pocket. Its modern slavery.
Christian Graus wrote:
2 - just because the UN wants it, does that mean it will happen ?
The UN is the global body that represents global minded powers, it is the outlet for which global powers debate and press onto the world their agenda. I will own you on this subject.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It doesn't guarantee anything
OK. The thing is, all of your theories are based in some sort of googleable truth. Do some people want to see a standard currency ? Almost certainly. I remember when the Euro was 'proof' of the new world order. The world doesn't have to studiously avoid anything conspiracy nuts are scared of, to prove they are wrong.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
For example, people will be trapped into the debt circle as central banks such as the federal reserve and the bank of england have always done.
Well, people who are trapped in debt, will be trapped in debt no matter what the currency is.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The central bank loans the money that it makes out of thin air (devaluing the currency, taking from people's hard earned savings)
Well, this is kind of true. Whoever prints currency, by printing it, devalues the currency out there. That's just how it works. The key is for it to be done responsibily.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
and loans that out with interest to other banks, corporations (bonds) and the government (treasuries).
Yes. banks make their money by charging more interest than they pay. That's how the central bank can control inflation, by affecting interest rates.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
As we can clearly see with the federal reserve, it is extremely secretive about its operations.
So secretive that you can describe them all to me ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The value of the dollar has decreased by 95% since the inception of the federal reserve.
Well, that's mostly because of inflation. The big question is, assuming all of this is true, why was this system set up ? Assuming that your country is a slave to this body, why was this allowed ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The UN is the global body that represents global minded powers, it is the outlet for which global powers debate and press onto the world their agenda.
The UN is a toothless tiger, mostly.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I will own you on this subject.
You said you were going to answer all my points. Liar.
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Christian Graus wrote:
There have been bubbles in gold, and it's fallen dramatically in value at times.
That is because people go back and forth between paper crud and hard money. They need to stick with the real money. The value of gold and silver would skyrocket and then would remain fairly stable if it were used as the standard world currency.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They need to stick with the real money
By real money, you mean gold ? So you're in favor of massive depopulation of the earth ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The value of gold and silver would skyrocket and then would remain fairly stable if it were used as the standard world currency.
All the gold in the world, would fill two olympic swimming pools. The reason fort knox no longer holds gold to back the US economy, is that not enough gold exists.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They need to stick with the real money
By real money, you mean gold ? So you're in favor of massive depopulation of the earth ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The value of gold and silver would skyrocket and then would remain fairly stable if it were used as the standard world currency.
All the gold in the world, would fill two olympic swimming pools. The reason fort knox no longer holds gold to back the US economy, is that not enough gold exists.
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Christian Graus wrote:
All the gold in the world, would fill two olympic swimming pools.
In that case, I'd say my wife owns 1% of all the gold in the world, courtesy of my pocket (now defunct)... Let's go back to the gold standard then, I'll be ecstatic with the meteoric rise of the price of gold.
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Christian Graus wrote:
All the gold in the world, would fill two olympic swimming pools.
In that case, I'd say my wife owns 1% of all the gold in the world, courtesy of my pocket (now defunct)... Let's go back to the gold standard then, I'll be ecstatic with the meteoric rise of the price of gold.
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Apparently, gold mines nowadays work by pulverising mountains and collecting gold dust, b/c that's all there is going.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It doesn't guarantee anything
OK. The thing is, all of your theories are based in some sort of googleable truth. Do some people want to see a standard currency ? Almost certainly. I remember when the Euro was 'proof' of the new world order. The world doesn't have to studiously avoid anything conspiracy nuts are scared of, to prove they are wrong.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
For example, people will be trapped into the debt circle as central banks such as the federal reserve and the bank of england have always done.
Well, people who are trapped in debt, will be trapped in debt no matter what the currency is.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The central bank loans the money that it makes out of thin air (devaluing the currency, taking from people's hard earned savings)
Well, this is kind of true. Whoever prints currency, by printing it, devalues the currency out there. That's just how it works. The key is for it to be done responsibily.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
and loans that out with interest to other banks, corporations (bonds) and the government (treasuries).
Yes. banks make their money by charging more interest than they pay. That's how the central bank can control inflation, by affecting interest rates.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
As we can clearly see with the federal reserve, it is extremely secretive about its operations.
So secretive that you can describe them all to me ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The value of the dollar has decreased by 95% since the inception of the federal reserve.
Well, that's mostly because of inflation. The big question is, assuming all of this is true, why was this system set up ? Assuming that your country is a slave to this body, why was this allowed ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The UN is the global body that represents global minded powers, it is the outlet for which global powers debate and press onto the world their agenda.
The UN is a toothless tiger, mostly.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I will own you on this subject.
You said you were going to answer all my points. Liar.
Christian Graus wrote:
CaptainSeeSharp wrote: It doesn't guarantee anything OK.
No no, let me go through this again. It doesn't guarantee anything but the consolidation of power on a global scale So in other words it most certainly guarantees the consolidation of power on a global scale.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, people who are trapped in debt, will be trapped in debt no matter what the currency is.
Again, this is not personal credit card debt we are talking about. This is national debt that the tax-payers have to pay. They have to pay for the money that was stolen from them by inflation, by the central bank printing up money and loaning it out as if that bank actually earned that money. They have to pay the bank back the money that the bank stole from them.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, this is kind of true. Whoever prints currency, by printing it, devalues the currency out there. That's just how it works. The key is for it to be done responsibily
Kind of? IT IS. It is not done responsibly, that is why the value of the dollar has dropped by 95% since the fed's inception and that is why it is completely going down the gutter right now. This is why it is a bad idea and is not intelligent whatsoever for anyone to endorse this giant ponzi scheme debt monster.
Christian Graus wrote:
Yes. banks make their money by charging more interest than they pay
99.9 percent of all banks in the world have to earn their money by attracting investors and debtors. Central banks just print it (stealing, devaluing) and loan it out to the select few.
Christian Graus wrote:
why was this system set up ? Assuming that your country is a slave to this body, why was this allowed ?
On December 23, 1913, the Federal Reserve Act, also known as the Glass-Owen Bill, was passed. The Republican controlled Senate rammed the bill through when many members of the US Congress were home for the holiday. The President, Dr. Thomas Woodrow Wilson, signed it into law one hour after being passed by the Congress! Somebody very powerful really wanted this law passed. The Federal Reserve System is an independent central bank. Although the President of the United States appoints the chairman of the Fed, and
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They need to stick with the real money
By real money, you mean gold ? So you're in favor of massive depopulation of the earth ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The value of gold and silver would skyrocket and then would remain fairly stable if it were used as the standard world currency.
All the gold in the world, would fill two olympic swimming pools. The reason fort knox no longer holds gold to back the US economy, is that not enough gold exists.
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As I explained to zeplin. http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3189894/Re-Im-I-a-conspiracy-theorist-now.aspx[^] and continue down to my next reply to him.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
You can't back every dollar with gold - there isn't enough to go around. Quote Selected Text
This is the stupidest argument against gold and silver. The value of gold and silver goes up as demand for it increases and as demand increases, so does the profitability of mining more gold and silver. To think we have mined all of the metals is ridiculous, it just takes more effort to get to it. It works out well. Perhaps 0.01 will be worth 25 cents but that is the way it used to be.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
To think we have mined all of the metals is ridiculous, it just takes more effort to get to it
This is an example of the same ignorance that leads you to think that the earth can feed an infinite number of people. Man has sought gold for how long now, and we just didn't bother to try hard enough. The people mining gold today, are all stupid, if only they were smarter, we'd have an infinite supply.
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As I explained to zeplin. http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3189894/Re-Im-I-a-conspiracy-theorist-now.aspx[^] and continue down to my next reply to him.
That has to be one of the dumbest things you've ever said.
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Apparently, gold mines nowadays work by pulverising mountains and collecting gold dust, b/c that's all there is going.
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My dad is working in collaboration with a Canadian company on "Ocean mining". Its supposedly the next big thing. Basically, recovery of dissolved salts in the ocean which includes everything.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Think "marginal cost of extraction".
It would be good for the economy. Good for jobs that produce something real and useful, and provides a good check to inflation since mining efforts would only be profitable when demand for it is high.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Good for jobs that produce something real and useful,
Gold is not 'useful' when used as money, it's arbitrary. If we decided quartz was really valuable, would that make it 'real and useful', if used as money ?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Good for jobs that produce something real and useful,
Gold is not 'useful' when used as money, it's arbitrary. If we decided quartz was really valuable, would that make it 'real and useful', if used as money ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Gold is not 'useful' when used as money
Money is not useful? You are a fucking clown.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
To think we have mined all of the metals is ridiculous, it just takes more effort to get to it
This is an example of the same ignorance that leads you to think that the earth can feed an infinite number of people. Man has sought gold for how long now, and we just didn't bother to try hard enough. The people mining gold today, are all stupid, if only they were smarter, we'd have an infinite supply.
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Christian Graus wrote:
The people mining gold today, are all stupid
You are a fucking moron. The people mining gold today wouldn't be mining gold if they weren't finding enough gold to profit from it. You are goddamn stupid.
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Christian Graus wrote:
CaptainSeeSharp wrote: It doesn't guarantee anything OK.
No no, let me go through this again. It doesn't guarantee anything but the consolidation of power on a global scale So in other words it most certainly guarantees the consolidation of power on a global scale.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, people who are trapped in debt, will be trapped in debt no matter what the currency is.
Again, this is not personal credit card debt we are talking about. This is national debt that the tax-payers have to pay. They have to pay for the money that was stolen from them by inflation, by the central bank printing up money and loaning it out as if that bank actually earned that money. They have to pay the bank back the money that the bank stole from them.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, this is kind of true. Whoever prints currency, by printing it, devalues the currency out there. That's just how it works. The key is for it to be done responsibily
Kind of? IT IS. It is not done responsibly, that is why the value of the dollar has dropped by 95% since the fed's inception and that is why it is completely going down the gutter right now. This is why it is a bad idea and is not intelligent whatsoever for anyone to endorse this giant ponzi scheme debt monster.
Christian Graus wrote:
Yes. banks make their money by charging more interest than they pay
99.9 percent of all banks in the world have to earn their money by attracting investors and debtors. Central banks just print it (stealing, devaluing) and loan it out to the select few.
Christian Graus wrote:
why was this system set up ? Assuming that your country is a slave to this body, why was this allowed ?
On December 23, 1913, the Federal Reserve Act, also known as the Glass-Owen Bill, was passed. The Republican controlled Senate rammed the bill through when many members of the US Congress were home for the holiday. The President, Dr. Thomas Woodrow Wilson, signed it into law one hour after being passed by the Congress! Somebody very powerful really wanted this law passed. The Federal Reserve System is an independent central bank. Although the President of the United States appoints the chairman of the Fed, and
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So in other words it most certainly guarantees the consolidation of power on a global scale.
How/why ? If the way my money looks changes tomorrow, how would that change my life ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They have to pay the bank back the money that the bank stole from them.
Ah, I see it so clearly now. The bank stole from them, and they have to pay it back. And no-one but a few online crackpots have noticed this ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
that is why the value of the dollar has dropped by 95% since the fed's inception
You don't understand economics at all, do you ? Inflation is caused by people wanting more, not by any loans that occur from the reserve.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
"Curiouser and curiouser, cried Alice".
So you copied and pasted this off the web. Do you understand it ? Seems like a lot of conjecture to me.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
t was sold to the public by claiming that it is necessary to prevent a depression, well, that didn't work out too well did it?
Nor did the recent attempts to stop our current mess. That doesn't mean that wasn't the goal.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So in other words it most certainly guarantees the consolidation of power on a global scale.
How/why ? If the way my money looks changes tomorrow, how would that change my life ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They have to pay the bank back the money that the bank stole from them.
Ah, I see it so clearly now. The bank stole from them, and they have to pay it back. And no-one but a few online crackpots have noticed this ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
that is why the value of the dollar has dropped by 95% since the fed's inception
You don't understand economics at all, do you ? Inflation is caused by people wanting more, not by any loans that occur from the reserve.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
"Curiouser and curiouser, cried Alice".
So you copied and pasted this off the web. Do you understand it ? Seems like a lot of conjecture to me.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
t was sold to the public by claiming that it is necessary to prevent a depression, well, that didn't work out too well did it?
Nor did the recent attempts to stop our current mess. That doesn't mean that wasn't the goal.
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Christian Graus wrote:
How/why ?
It is a global scheme of a currency system, controlled by an international institution(s). All the currencies in the world will be subjected to the intervention of the international body(s). It does a great deal at eroding the sovereignty of all nations through the management of their currencies by global minded powers. It does a great deal at eroding the sovereignty of all nations through the management of their currencies by global minded powers. It is a consolidation of power. We all know by now that through the manipulation of the dollar and other currencies, our economy has been destroyed and almost all people have been robbed of their wealth and have been enslaved by the national debt. Ninety-Five percent of the value of the dollar has been lost since the establishment of the federal reserve. Now we are going to go to a consolidated global scheme? bullsh*t on that. There is nothing you can say that will convince me that it is a good thing, because it simply isn't good to consolidate power like that. There is no reason for anyone to have that kind of power for any reason whatsoever.
Christian Graus wrote:
And no-one but a few online crackpots have noticed this ?
The first witness to be called is Abraham Lincoln. He warned, "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and cause me to tremble for safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic destroyed." Congressman Wright Patman decared, "In the U.S. today, we have in effect two governments. We have the duly constituted government, then we have an independent, uncontrolled and uncoordinated government in the Federal Reserve, operating the money powers which are reserved to congress by the Constitution." Congressman Charles Lindbergh maintained, "Our financial system is a false one and a huge burden on the people . . . The Federal Reserve Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized . . . The people must make a declaration of independence to relieve themselves from the Monetary Power . . . The worst legislative crime of the ages is p
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Christian Graus wrote:
The people mining gold today, are all stupid
You are a fucking moron. The people mining gold today wouldn't be mining gold if they weren't finding enough gold to profit from it. You are goddamn stupid.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The people mining gold today wouldn't be mining gold if they weren't finding enough gold to profit from it.
I never claimed that. I just said that the way they do it, is to crush a whole lot of rock to find little gold, b/c that's all there is left to dig up, They plainly make a profit at it. The price just goes up accordingly, just like oil.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Gold is not 'useful' when used as money
Money is not useful? You are a fucking clown.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Money is not useful?
Money has it's own intrinsic 'use' which has nothing to do with the value of the object. If I say a piece of gold is worth $100, or I say a piece of paper is worth $100, the money itself doesn't HAVE to be worth that, and even if it is, it's value is held in statis, the gold is not DOING anything useful, such as acting as a conductor, if it's being used as money. you are just dense.
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