Fall of the Republic
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You can't tell the difference any more, can you ?
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You're implying that there was a time when he could...
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You can't tell the difference any more, can you ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
You can't tell the difference any more, can you ?
Certainly, for instance space aliens invading the earth disguised as humans is one. Big Foot or Nessy is another. The Fall of the Republic is not that type of film. It is a factual documentary about recent times, how we got here, and where we are headed. It features accomplished scholars, respectable doctorates, MDs, top economists, professionals, various intelligent people, well-known famous individuals, and mainstream media coverage. Its going to be worth watching.
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Christian Graus wrote:
You can't tell the difference any more, can you ?
Certainly, for instance space aliens invading the earth disguised as humans is one. Big Foot or Nessy is another. The Fall of the Republic is not that type of film. It is a factual documentary about recent times, how we got here, and where we are headed. It features accomplished scholars, respectable doctorates, MDs, top economists, professionals, various intelligent people, well-known famous individuals, and mainstream media coverage. Its going to be worth watching.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Certainly, for instance space aliens invading the earth disguised as humans is one. Big Foot or Nessy is another.
The big trouble with conspiracy theorists is your inability to understand nuance. Yes, television is bad for people. Yes, it's used to deliver propaganda and advertising. That doesn't prove a conspiracy. It works the same as the internet. You are a nut job, and so you watch you tube videos that enforce your bizarre ideas. People choose their TV channels in the same way, by watching what re-enforces their bias. The Internet is probably worse, because there's more craziness, less control, and people are more accustomed to jumping from one thing to another and not every watching one channel loyally.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is a factual documentary about recent times, how we got here, and where we are headed.
This is the other problem. Because things are presented as fact, you assume they are. This is sometimes true. Assuming they are all facts, you then assume that the presumptions these people bolt onto these facts, are equally proven, when it's not true. The best way to tell a lie, is to attach it to some truth and then parade the true part as proof that everything you said was accurate.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It features accomplished scholars, respectable doctorates, MDs, top economists, professionals, various intelligent people, well-known famous individuals, and mainstream media coverage.
Yes, there are nut jobs in every walk of life, not just amongst the unemployable.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Certainly, for instance space aliens invading the earth disguised as humans is one. Big Foot or Nessy is another.
The big trouble with conspiracy theorists is your inability to understand nuance. Yes, television is bad for people. Yes, it's used to deliver propaganda and advertising. That doesn't prove a conspiracy. It works the same as the internet. You are a nut job, and so you watch you tube videos that enforce your bizarre ideas. People choose their TV channels in the same way, by watching what re-enforces their bias. The Internet is probably worse, because there's more craziness, less control, and people are more accustomed to jumping from one thing to another and not every watching one channel loyally.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is a factual documentary about recent times, how we got here, and where we are headed.
This is the other problem. Because things are presented as fact, you assume they are. This is sometimes true. Assuming they are all facts, you then assume that the presumptions these people bolt onto these facts, are equally proven, when it's not true. The best way to tell a lie, is to attach it to some truth and then parade the true part as proof that everything you said was accurate.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It features accomplished scholars, respectable doctorates, MDs, top economists, professionals, various intelligent people, well-known famous individuals, and mainstream media coverage.
Yes, there are nut jobs in every walk of life, not just amongst the unemployable.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
The big trouble with conspiracy theorists is your
I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I only take what is documented fact.
Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, television is bad for people. Yes, it's used to deliver propaganda and advertising.
Yes, indeed it is.
Christian Graus wrote:
It works the same as the internet.
Not quite, the internet is more like a library. On the internet, people have absolute control over what information that they pull up.
Christian Graus wrote:
Because things are presented as fact, you assume they are.
Nonsense. This is simply an outlandishly inadequate claim. I don't assume facts, I actually look at the source and compare my findings with the information presented. The information presented is fully capable of withstanding an thorough investigation.
Christian Graus wrote:
you then assume that the presumptions these people bolt onto these facts
I am fully capable of identifying and understanding extrapolations, as well as forming my own.
Christian Graus wrote:
The best way to tell a lie, is to attach it to some truth and then parade the true part as proof that everything you said was accurate.
This is exactly what climate change is. I suggest you reexamine Fall of the Republic because you are terribly mistaken in judgment of the documentary.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Funny how saying that doesn't make it true.
You are right, it does not make it true. Truth is absolute. I was simply stating a fact.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Truth is absolute
Ah thank you, I needed a good laugh.
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Fall of the Republic is a true documentary covering the fall of the republic. It is not a conspiracy film, I repeat, it is not a conspiracy film. Check out these two new trailers, the very first one is in my sig. This is truly hard-hitting. To get the widest possible audience, it will be available on youtube so this is not an advertisement. Two[^] Three[^][This one is the best]
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While I don't agree with, well just about everything you say I thought I'd be nice and throw you a bone. Your first and common mistake is that you dragged into the conspiracy theory argument, wether you or someone else starts it is irrelevant once that argument starts you've lost. Not because you're always wrong but because your arguements are too big you try to bludgeon your argument through, you need to select smaller factual points that you can back up and argue with data rather than just trying to drop massive theories on people. If they are interested in what you say then and only then will they gravitate to the sort of stuff that you are proposing they watch. Secondly programmers by nature are more mainstream and conservative. They are succesful functioning members of society. Your blunt forceful arguments are targetted more towards a dissafected youth and therefore unlikely to work on the target audience. Thirdly you're peddaling the wrong conspiracies for this site. If you were targetting Iran you would be much more successful getting people to agree with you. I'd suggest you read Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine and have a look at http://www.medialens.org/[^] Both of which are based on the propostions that when given a certain set of circumstances such and such happens. It's not a conspiracy, its not a plan its just the outcome of a given set of political and economic decisions.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Funny how saying that doesn't make it true.
You are right, it does not make it true. Truth is absolute. I was simply stating a fact.
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While I don't agree with, well just about everything you say I thought I'd be nice and throw you a bone. Your first and common mistake is that you dragged into the conspiracy theory argument, wether you or someone else starts it is irrelevant once that argument starts you've lost. Not because you're always wrong but because your arguements are too big you try to bludgeon your argument through, you need to select smaller factual points that you can back up and argue with data rather than just trying to drop massive theories on people. If they are interested in what you say then and only then will they gravitate to the sort of stuff that you are proposing they watch. Secondly programmers by nature are more mainstream and conservative. They are succesful functioning members of society. Your blunt forceful arguments are targetted more towards a dissafected youth and therefore unlikely to work on the target audience. Thirdly you're peddaling the wrong conspiracies for this site. If you were targetting Iran you would be much more successful getting people to agree with you. I'd suggest you read Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine and have a look at http://www.medialens.org/[^] Both of which are based on the propostions that when given a certain set of circumstances such and such happens. It's not a conspiracy, its not a plan its just the outcome of a given set of political and economic decisions.
pseudonym67 My Articles[^] Personal Music Player[^]
pseudonym67 wrote:
programmers by nature are more mainstream and conservative. They are succesful functioning members of society
:laugh: :laugh: Cute. Highly inacurate, but cute. We are barely socially functional; that's why we're here and not in the real world. ;P
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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While I don't agree with, well just about everything you say I thought I'd be nice and throw you a bone. Your first and common mistake is that you dragged into the conspiracy theory argument, wether you or someone else starts it is irrelevant once that argument starts you've lost. Not because you're always wrong but because your arguements are too big you try to bludgeon your argument through, you need to select smaller factual points that you can back up and argue with data rather than just trying to drop massive theories on people. If they are interested in what you say then and only then will they gravitate to the sort of stuff that you are proposing they watch. Secondly programmers by nature are more mainstream and conservative. They are succesful functioning members of society. Your blunt forceful arguments are targetted more towards a dissafected youth and therefore unlikely to work on the target audience. Thirdly you're peddaling the wrong conspiracies for this site. If you were targetting Iran you would be much more successful getting people to agree with you. I'd suggest you read Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine and have a look at http://www.medialens.org/[^] Both of which are based on the propostions that when given a certain set of circumstances such and such happens. It's not a conspiracy, its not a plan its just the outcome of a given set of political and economic decisions.
pseudonym67 My Articles[^] Personal Music Player[^]
pseudonym67 wrote:
Secondly programmers by nature are more mainstream and conservative.
Not in the 60s when we were innovators. :) Alas, 'tis now the Lego programming generation. :sigh:
Bob Emmett I solemnly declare that I do not wish the USA to be more like Britain, Canada, or Oz.
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Christian Graus wrote:
The big trouble with conspiracy theorists is your
I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I only take what is documented fact.
Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, television is bad for people. Yes, it's used to deliver propaganda and advertising.
Yes, indeed it is.
Christian Graus wrote:
It works the same as the internet.
Not quite, the internet is more like a library. On the internet, people have absolute control over what information that they pull up.
Christian Graus wrote:
Because things are presented as fact, you assume they are.
Nonsense. This is simply an outlandishly inadequate claim. I don't assume facts, I actually look at the source and compare my findings with the information presented. The information presented is fully capable of withstanding an thorough investigation.
Christian Graus wrote:
you then assume that the presumptions these people bolt onto these facts
I am fully capable of identifying and understanding extrapolations, as well as forming my own.
Christian Graus wrote:
The best way to tell a lie, is to attach it to some truth and then parade the true part as proof that everything you said was accurate.
This is exactly what climate change is. I suggest you reexamine Fall of the Republic because you are terribly mistaken in judgment of the documentary.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I only take what is documented fact.
Not quite, you take YouTube videos as fact.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
On the internet, people have absolute control over what information that they pull up.
What utter rubbish! Have you ever used a search engine?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't assume facts, I actually look at the source and compare my findings with the information presented.
No, you still look at YouTube videos... Sorry, lost the will to go on ...
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pseudonym67 wrote:
programmers by nature are more mainstream and conservative. They are succesful functioning members of society
:laugh: :laugh: Cute. Highly inacurate, but cute. We are barely socially functional; that's why we're here and not in the real world. ;P
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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pseudonym67 wrote:
programmers by nature are more mainstream and conservative. They are succesful functioning members of society
:laugh: :laugh: Cute. Highly inacurate, but cute. We are barely socially functional; that's why we're here and not in the real world. ;P
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
We are barely socially functional; that's why we're here and not in the real world.
Speak for yourself. I'm here 'cos I'm retired, at home, and it's lunchtime. And I have done more than enough functioning socially for this life.
Bob Emmett I solemnly declare that I do not wish the USA to be more like Britain, Canada, or Oz.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
We are barely socially functional; that's why we're here and not in the real world.
Speak for yourself. I'm here 'cos I'm retired, at home, and it's lunchtime. And I have done more than enough functioning socially for this life.
Bob Emmett I solemnly declare that I do not wish the USA to be more like Britain, Canada, or Oz.
Bob Emmett wrote:
I'm retired, at home, and it's lunchtime.
Sorry, I'm confused surely
retired+lunchtime = pub? When I was unemployed resting, lunch often took four or five hours.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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Fall of the Republic is a true documentary covering the fall of the republic. It is not a conspiracy film, I repeat, it is not a conspiracy film. Check out these two new trailers, the very first one is in my sig. This is truly hard-hitting. To get the widest possible audience, it will be available on youtube so this is not an advertisement. Two[^] Three[^][This one is the best]
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Three[^][This one is the best]
Most people, still they think most entertainment to do with movies, drama, is for nothing more than their entertainment. It never was that case. And some will see meanings that the author never intended. Throughout our history, social engineers have refined techniques designed to control large populations. Not working well, are they? Given the reaction to Obama. Bringing entertainment to thousands of people, right in the comfort of our own home. You are actually in alpha states being completely downloaded with new ideas. As you are when engrossed in a book. A cult of personality can be manufactured to influence the masses. Reagan was the closest to a cult of personality. Hint: He had one. Obama? Surely they jest. (Liked the little green lines, trying to make him look as if he were computer generated - some time in the 80s) Nobody will question what he's doing, they will be too pre-occupied with where he is, and what he's wearing. Yes, noticed that. :rolleyes: The idea of making him into a celebrity. Making? Doesn't being #1 in the USA qualify as celebrity any more? Perhaps the Nobel Peace Prize for 'most promising newcomer' will help. Eventually, he said, they will expect the media to do all their thinking and reasoning for them, and that's happened today. Really? Well, Uncle Alex's social engineering appears to be effective in this respect. You are a shining example. The scientific dictatorship understands what makes people tick, and they're using it against us. Cue scary 'scientific' voice: "These cells are scanned by a stream of electrons, completing 30 pictures per second." :laugh: I cannot comment on the USA, but I just don't see a lot of difference in the behaviour of successive generations, except that the young now watch less television. It's hard for people 'like that' to take a serious interest in what their elected officials are doing, they've been programmed. 'Like that'! Well, I like that, and Obama is called elitist. It's Obama's role to front for the international banking syndicate. If you say so. How far back does all this go? Was Ike a puppet too? Barack Obama is a puppet of the New World Order. Now here you have a problem discriminating between 'new world order' which is merely descriptive of a major change in th
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Bob Emmett wrote:
I'm retired, at home, and it's lunchtime.
Sorry, I'm confused surely
retired+lunchtime = pub? When I was unemployed resting, lunch often took four or five hours.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
retired+lunchtime = pub
I have to bus to anywhere decent, and it's chilly, I'd be sober by the time I got back. So, it's in house supping for me today.
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
When I was unemployed resting, lunch often took four or five hours.
Unemployment Resting benefit good in your neck of the woods? :)
Bob Emmett I solemnly declare that I do not wish the USA to be more like Britain, Canada, or Oz.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
retired+lunchtime = pub
I have to bus to anywhere decent, and it's chilly, I'd be sober by the time I got back. So, it's in house supping for me today.
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
When I was unemployed resting, lunch often took four or five hours.
Unemployment Resting benefit good in your neck of the woods? :)
Bob Emmett I solemnly declare that I do not wish the USA to be more like Britain, Canada, or Oz.
Bob Emmett wrote:
Resting benefit good in your neck of the woods?
It was along time ago, I was living at home [low cost life] and I was given a lot of money to f-off quickly, so I did. Then I spent six months deciing what to do next. And having lunch.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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Christian Graus wrote:
The big trouble with conspiracy theorists is your
I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I only take what is documented fact.
Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, television is bad for people. Yes, it's used to deliver propaganda and advertising.
Yes, indeed it is.
Christian Graus wrote:
It works the same as the internet.
Not quite, the internet is more like a library. On the internet, people have absolute control over what information that they pull up.
Christian Graus wrote:
Because things are presented as fact, you assume they are.
Nonsense. This is simply an outlandishly inadequate claim. I don't assume facts, I actually look at the source and compare my findings with the information presented. The information presented is fully capable of withstanding an thorough investigation.
Christian Graus wrote:
you then assume that the presumptions these people bolt onto these facts
I am fully capable of identifying and understanding extrapolations, as well as forming my own.
Christian Graus wrote:
The best way to tell a lie, is to attach it to some truth and then parade the true part as proof that everything you said was accurate.
This is exactly what climate change is. I suggest you reexamine Fall of the Republic because you are terribly mistaken in judgment of the documentary.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I only take what is documented fact.
So you don't accept the video that you requested I watch a few months ago, anymore ? Or you were kidding then ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Not quite, the internet is more like a library. On the internet, people have absolute control over what information that they pull up.
Exactly my point. Instead of choosing programs that agree with your bias broadly, you have fine grained control over rejecting anything that challenges your worldview.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't assume facts, I actually look at the source and compare my findings with the information presented. The information presented is fully capable of withstanding an thorough investigation.
And yet, when you had me watch that video, it's producers AND you could do nothing to prove it's claims. You just told me to 'do the research'. Which works for people who are already convinced, but does nothing to prove your case.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
This is exactly what climate change is.
So what ? How does changing the subject support your cause ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I suggest you reexamine Fall of the Republic because you are terribly mistaken in judgment of the documentary.
So, it's actually well made and factual, not anything like the videos created to promote it ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I only take what is documented fact.
So you don't accept the video that you requested I watch a few months ago, anymore ? Or you were kidding then ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Not quite, the internet is more like a library. On the internet, people have absolute control over what information that they pull up.
Exactly my point. Instead of choosing programs that agree with your bias broadly, you have fine grained control over rejecting anything that challenges your worldview.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't assume facts, I actually look at the source and compare my findings with the information presented. The information presented is fully capable of withstanding an thorough investigation.
And yet, when you had me watch that video, it's producers AND you could do nothing to prove it's claims. You just told me to 'do the research'. Which works for people who are already convinced, but does nothing to prove your case.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
This is exactly what climate change is.
So what ? How does changing the subject support your cause ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I suggest you reexamine Fall of the Republic because you are terribly mistaken in judgment of the documentary.
So, it's actually well made and factual, not anything like the videos created to promote it ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
the video that you requested I watch a few months ago
Christian Graus wrote:
it's producers AND you could do nothing to prove it's claims.
At the end of the documentary all of their sources are presented. You can also go here[^] and look through the bibliography. The handful of links that go to their site must be followed through as more links to its sources will be presented. You just didn't try to look up anything.
Christian Graus wrote:
So, it's actually well made and factual
Exactly.
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Fall of the Republic is a true documentary covering the fall of the republic. It is not a conspiracy film, I repeat, it is not a conspiracy film. Check out these two new trailers, the very first one is in my sig. This is truly hard-hitting. To get the widest possible audience, it will be available on youtube so this is not an advertisement. Two[^] Three[^][This one is the best]
modified on Thursday, October 8, 2009 2:04 PM