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Josh Gray wrote:
But then again he also told me not to trust people with a first name for a last name
Well, I can't help if people usurped the family name and made it a first name. I guess it has a nice ring and they just couldn't resist borrowing it. :) What about people who can't do better than a color for a last name? :suss:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
I went to school with a guy called Mackintosh McKenzie, sounds very Scottish, but he was born in St Lucia!
------------------------------------ To eat well in England, you should have a breakfast three times a day. W. Somerset Maugham 1925
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rickyjos wrote:
I have not read all of the bible, but do get lost right at the start.
Yeah, I had the same problem as a kid. The issue is, the New Testament tells the story of who Jesus was, and what the church is about. The Old Testament ( so, starting with Genesis ), starts as the story of Israel and soon starts listing lots of arcane laws that don't apply to God's people today. If you want to read the Bible, a better place to start is Matthew. The four gospels tell four versions of the story of Jesus life, so there's some overlap, but some stories unique to each book. Acts explains how the church was started. The books after that, are written to the church, so it's a common mistake to read Romans, which is written to Christians, and not understand what made those words apply to the people reading them ( they had done what the people in Acts 2 did, with the same result, they had external evidence of God in their life ).
rickyjos wrote:
From someone who does believe, can you tell me, am I right in saying that we are here with a lot of suffering in the world because a lady ate an apple when she wasn't supposed to, or am I missing something?
Adam and Eve were not the first humans, but they were the start of God dealing with people. No, it's not true that there would be no suffering in the world if not for Eve. It's more true to say that Adam and Eve proved that man could not follow God, at that time. That's what all of the Old Testament is about, and what Jesus came to rectify.
rickyjos wrote:
I might be really stupid, but isn't that what the bible say's? Maybe I need to read more Smile
No, it's a fair question. The things to get about Adam and Eve are 1 - they were not the first humans 2 - they lived at a time where it was not possible to be 'saved'
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I will do some reading as you suggest.
Christian Graus wrote:
listing lots of arcane laws that don't apply to God's people today
Why don't they apply? (not knowing exactly what they are)
Christian Graus wrote:
but they were the start of God dealing with people.
But he created us right? Didn't he know what he had created? Are we some sort of experiment? Why doesn't he just show himself? mmmm.. So many questions. I am at an interesting point with my kids, they are starting to ask the how did we get here questions, hard to answer if you are not sure yourself.
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OK, obviously not a bible believer. What are your thoughts on how we got here and where we are going to end up?
We arose from the primordial chemical soup that was the early oceans through natural chemical processes. Where we end up is where ever that may be. If you mean when an individual dies, we go nowhere. The lights go out, the audience goes home, and we're returned to the soup so to speak. The bible is just one of a string of ancient religious writings that has no particular significance other than it came to prominence at a time and place where human civilization was in a position to push it forward. There's nothing original in it, it's all cribbed from earlier writings. Adam and Eve aren't original christian, or even hebrew, ideas.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Christian Graus wrote:
No. God is.
Ah, so when you tell us that so and so isn't a Christian, you're speaking infalibilitas for god?
Christian Graus wrote:
but the core issue is simply that you don't care what the bible says, or who is a Christian. So, there's really no frame of reference I could hope to use to discuss it with you.
No, it's just all a ridiculous squabble to me but I'll still call anyone who says they represent the "only" true religion. Or, like you, even the only true sect of a religion. Get over it, it's all hogwash and arguing about who's right won't ever make it so.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
Tim Craig wrote:
Ah, so when you tell us that so and so isn't a Christian, you're speaking infalibilitas for god?
If I were not backing what I say from the Bible, then I guess what you're saying could be true. As it stands, I'm not deciding anything, I'm just applying the Bible.
Tim Craig wrote:
Or, like you, even the only true sect of a religion. Get over it, it's all hogwash and arguing about who's right won't ever make it so.
I'm not interested in a worthless argument either, but I'd like you to at least know that if you want to start one, I know I can defend my views, I'm not afraid of the discussion, I'd just concur that if you're going to start from the place you seem to be, it's probably pointless.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I went to school with a guy called Mackintosh McKenzie, sounds very Scottish, but he was born in St Lucia!
------------------------------------ To eat well in England, you should have a breakfast three times a day. W. Somerset Maugham 1925
I was on St Lucia a couple of years back. It's an interesting place. They had a government changing election while we were there. I've gone to a few highland games here and it's interesting to see what shows up in a kilt. Some of them look nothing like me. :suss: As for names, there was a star player with the San Francisco 49ers a few years back named Roger Craig[^]. I've wondered where he got the name.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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NP - we're about to go and get some tea as well. My CP email is unchecked, do you want me to send you an email with my address, or do you prefer we keep talking within the forum ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I sent you an email through the site with my email address in it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Of course not. Because it provides everything as advertised.
You give me your money and I'll tell you a nice story that may make you feel good? :doh:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
Not even close.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Tim Craig wrote:
Ah, so when you tell us that so and so isn't a Christian, you're speaking infalibilitas for god?
If I were not backing what I say from the Bible, then I guess what you're saying could be true. As it stands, I'm not deciding anything, I'm just applying the Bible.
Tim Craig wrote:
Or, like you, even the only true sect of a religion. Get over it, it's all hogwash and arguing about who's right won't ever make it so.
I'm not interested in a worthless argument either, but I'd like you to at least know that if you want to start one, I know I can defend my views, I'm not afraid of the discussion, I'd just concur that if you're going to start from the place you seem to be, it's probably pointless.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm not interested in a worthless argument either
Is that why you spend so much time trying to engage CSS? :laugh:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I'm not interested in a worthless argument either
Is that why you spend so much time trying to engage CSS? :laugh:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
*grin* as I said in the thread below, having tried to help him, having even offered to pay for his first psych assessment, and been knocked back, I talk to him mostly to keep him in here. Note, after he said he'd never post to me again, he went off and posted in the lounge for the first time in a while. It was OK, what he posted, but given time, it atrophies, and he's an impediment to the site. So, I try to contain him in here. And I'll still pay for that assessment if he'll go.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I sent you an email through the site with my email address in it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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We arose from the primordial chemical soup that was the early oceans through natural chemical processes. Where we end up is where ever that may be. If you mean when an individual dies, we go nowhere. The lights go out, the audience goes home, and we're returned to the soup so to speak. The bible is just one of a string of ancient religious writings that has no particular significance other than it came to prominence at a time and place where human civilization was in a position to push it forward. There's nothing original in it, it's all cribbed from earlier writings. Adam and Eve aren't original christian, or even hebrew, ideas.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
Tim Craig wrote:
We arose from the primordial chemical soup that was the early oceans through natural chemical processes
I don't know if I buy that either. In some ways that seems just as fanciful as the bible does to you.
Tim Craig wrote:
Adam and Eve aren't original christian, or even hebrew
Where do you get this from?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Probably good advice, in Texas.
But it seems to be the area of the US you're most familiar with and the standard by which you judge us all. Most of Texas is an intellectual backwater.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
Tim Craig wrote:
Most of Texas is an intellectual backwater.
I've mostly been in Dallas, and the people I've met there have been far from stupid. Having said that, if I make a generalisation about the US, I take into account the other places I've spent a lot of time, such as Portland, Boston, California, etc, as well as my briefer experiences in places like Phoenix, Washington, Minnesota, Arizona, New Mexico, Florida, etc.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I didn't get it. I just enabled "Allow private email replies to this message" in my settings, assume that needs to be on? Although I see that it is on each individual message... You might have to try again, or maybe I need to be more patient.
OK, I will try again.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Holocausts are fun right? You must like totalitarianism.
Actually, no-one said how we'd solve overpopulation. In a world of magic, the ideal way would be to create a way to generate enough food and energy for everyone. It's only if that's not possible, that the options are obliteration, and some sort of population control.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I will do some reading as you suggest.
Christian Graus wrote:
listing lots of arcane laws that don't apply to God's people today
Why don't they apply? (not knowing exactly what they are)
Christian Graus wrote:
but they were the start of God dealing with people.
But he created us right? Didn't he know what he had created? Are we some sort of experiment? Why doesn't he just show himself? mmmm.. So many questions. I am at an interesting point with my kids, they are starting to ask the how did we get here questions, hard to answer if you are not sure yourself.
FYI, I have answered this via email, LMK if you don't get it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Oh, I don't know... let's not be too hasty in dismissing this mass murder idea. A chain of Soylent factories might be just the ticket we're looking for. ;)
Solve two problems at once, I like it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Yeah, that whole original sin thing is a tough nut to swallow. Eve gets nasty with a snake and you have to pay for it. Maybe you need to think more and read fairy tales less?
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Imagine you could fix one issue in the world. Just one. Which one would you fix ? Global warming ? Poverty ? Why would you choose it ? I'd choose overpopulation, because if we don't solve that one, we're all screwed, no matter how warm or cold it is.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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OK, obviously not a bible believer. What are your thoughts on how we got here and where we are going to end up?
Ah, this is always a fun debate... Time for my view... Humans evolved from primates, which evolved from something else (Hey, I'm a programmer, not a geneticist - Other people have researched these things), which evolved from other things, which evolved from still other things, over the course of millions of years... And it all probably started from a bunch of molecules that randomly assembled into something useful. It's not that silly when you think about it... There's the old adage that given an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of typewriters, you'd eventually get the complete works of Shakespeare... Well, think of the countless number of atoms and molecules on primordial Earth... With all of those little things bumping around, you figure eventually something interesting would happen. As for evolution... I don't see how people even dispute the concept, because it's pretty much a... what's the term, I forget... Opposite of a logical fallacy... It basically states that "Organisms that are better at surviving are more likely to survive." Combine that with the existence of cell mutation (Which has been verified plenty of times), and natural selection seems a pretty logical conclusion. So that takes care of origins. If you want to play the old game of going back and back and back to the beginning, let me summarize the argument briefly and save you some time: "Well where did the Earth come from?" ...Astronomy 101 explanation... "And where did the galaxy come from?" ...Big bang theory, etc etc... "And where did the universe come from?" ...No one knows... "Because God created the universe." "But where did 'god' come from?" "He was always there" "Maybe the universe was always there." So, now that that's out of the way... Let's talk about afterlives... Now smarter people than me have studied the intricate workings of the human brain, and you know what? It's just a biological machine. Instead of electricity, it uses oxygen and nutrients. Instead of a mouse and keyboard, we have nerve inputs. The trick is that it's pretty much all active storage... We're talking RAM, not a HDD. You cut the power, the data starts to fade away. There's still stuff in there, mainly the physical neuron pathways, but that's like saying your computer still has memory because the RAM chips still have their little circuit pathways. You pull the cord, the computer shuts off, and the memory starts to fade immediately. You may have a few seconds or minutes to restart the juice before everything f