How safe is the vaccine ?
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Not aimed at you Christian. Around 30 types of HPV are transmitted through sexual contact, including those that can cause cervical cancer and genital warts. In the UK, more than 1,000 women die from cervical cancer each year. And around 2,800 women a year are diagnosed with cervical cancer. A woman's lifetime risk of developing cervical cancer is about one in 116 (0.86%). So if the vaccination goes along way to reduce the incidence of early death from cervical cancer, it must be worthwhile. Yes there are some side effects, you can read all about them via my references. An as our friend doesn't appear to understand HPV, this is for his benefit : [quote] Types of HPV that affect the skin can be passed on by skin contact with an affected person. The types of HPV that affect the mouth and throat can be passed on through kissing. Genital HPV is usually spread through intimate, skin to skin, contact during sex. You can have the genital HPV virus for years and not have any sign of it. So it isn’t unusual to have a long term partner and then be told you have the virus after medical tests such as cervical screening. Many people then worry that their partner has been unfaithful, or will think they have been unfaithful. But finding out you have HPV doesn’t necessarily mean that you or your partner have been unfaithful. There is no way of knowing how long you have had the virus. It could be weeks, months or years. [/quote] Note CSS, you don't have to be somebody sleeping around with multiple partners in unsanitory places. references : 1. http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/Vaccines/HPV[^] 2. http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/about-cancer/cancer-questions/what-is-the-hpv-virus[^] 3. http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/hpv-vaccination/Pages/Introduction.aspx[^] 4. http://www.habbo.co.uk/groups/hpv/discussions/312035/id[
If you shoot your daughter up with something proven to kill and seriously injure and also not proven to significantly decrease the risk of dying from HPV then you are a bad stupid parent.
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http://infobeautiful.s3.amazonaws.com/hpv_500.gif[^] This was just posted in the lounge, but I thought I'd copy it to here.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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If you shoot your daughter up with something proven to kill and seriously injure and also not proven to significantly decrease the risk of dying from HPV then you are a bad stupid parent.
By your logic, if I let my daughter drive a car, I am a bad parent. If I let her step outside, I am a bad parent. If I let her eat chicken, I am a bad parent. You keep living in your fantasy world. People who have actually mated, and make these decisions in the real world, tend to have a clearer perspective than you.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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If you shoot your daughter up with something proven to kill and seriously injure and also not proven to significantly decrease the risk of dying from HPV then you are a bad stupid parent.
When (if - a big if in your case) you become a parent, your perspectives will change. I will permit your friend Uncle Alex Jones to educate you on what is a good parent and what is a bad parent. Then we can have another series of exchanges debunking what poison your mind has absorbed from the 'king' of conspiracy. IN FACT, I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DEBATE ON GOOD/BAD PARENTING ARE YOU "UP FOR IT" Henize ????????
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It's as safe as a big green zit? ---edit--- fired up my big firefox magnifier. I don't get it is that the h1n1? How is it different from 70's vaccine? What are the chances of getting : Gillians Barr syndrome? How creditable is US government at telling me the truth about anything. Now I am one of the 16% who probably won't get it, that is right away, until "others" have taken it and I can get a third party confirmation that it is safe. I realize css has been posting alot about this and he may be overly passionate. But it's just prudent to wait and see what happens. If WHO and CDC didn't go ape-shit about how "dire" this situation is I and others wouldn't be so cynical.
modified on Friday, October 23, 2009 7:54 PM
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kmg365 wrote:
I don't get it is that the h1n1?
No, it's HPV - not the flying swineflu.
I are Troll :suss:
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Sorry. I fly in it's h1n1, I fly out it's hpv or what ever :-O . But I suspect the basic underlying distrusts are the same. Do you trust government to report the correct facts. If you don't who is a reliable source? 2 cents
kmg365 wrote:
Do you trust government to report the correct facts.
Governments should act upon the advice given by scientific and technological specialists. The general public would not understand these scientific and technology reports partly because of the language they use. Thus, governments need to simplify such advice in order that the general public can be advised in ordinary language. This does not mean that governments offer a whole 100% factual correctness. They cannot as sometimes the scientific and technological content do contain unknowns and, from time to time, contradictory understanding of the issues involved. Yet a consensus of sorts needs to be established that provides some fundamental agreed understandings. Reliable sources would be those scientific and technological reports from the varies parties involved, taken together and not individually. Some will be contradictory. But nearly all will speak in a language that most of humanity just can't comprehend. It is just far too difficult a subject(s).
kmg365 wrote:
I fly in it's h1n1, I fly out it's hpv or what ever
Virus's and diseases form families. Within these families are variations. Swine Flu and Bird Flu would come under a particular family, and Swine Flu and Bird Flu are a variation of such a family member. While HPV would come under a different family. There is no single killer vaccine that will eradicate all known and as yet unknown virus's and diseases. This is true irrespective if it is a biological virus or a computer virus.
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Sorry. I fly in it's h1n1, I fly out it's hpv or what ever :-O . But I suspect the basic underlying distrusts are the same. Do you trust government to report the correct facts. If you don't who is a reliable source? 2 cents
kmg365 wrote:
But I suspect the basic underlying distrusts are the same.
They're not.
kmg365 wrote:
Do you trust government to report the correct facts.
That's not their responsibility. Even if it were, you think that they could become infallible?
kmg365 wrote:
If you don't who is a reliable source?
Common sense. ..and no, you don't follow a government blindly. That doesn't mean that you should be paranoid either, it's unlikely that the government is out to get you.
I are Troll :suss:
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kmg365 wrote:
But I suspect the basic underlying distrusts are the same.
They're not.
kmg365 wrote:
Do you trust government to report the correct facts.
That's not their responsibility. Even if it were, you think that they could become infallible?
kmg365 wrote:
If you don't who is a reliable source?
Common sense. ..and no, you don't follow a government blindly. That doesn't mean that you should be paranoid either, it's unlikely that the government is out to get you.
I are Troll :suss:
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
it's unlikely that the government is out to get you.
Even if they are, it's unlikely that they actually can get you.
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When (if - a big if in your case) you become a parent, your perspectives will change. I will permit your friend Uncle Alex Jones to educate you on what is a good parent and what is a bad parent. Then we can have another series of exchanges debunking what poison your mind has absorbed from the 'king' of conspiracy. IN FACT, I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DEBATE ON GOOD/BAD PARENTING ARE YOU "UP FOR IT" Henize ????????
He will say yes, then the first time you point out the illogic of his position, he'll call you names, then he'll say you're using double talk and that he doesn't have time to waste on you. Why bother ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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He will say yes, then the first time you point out the illogic of his position, he'll call you names, then he'll say you're using double talk and that he doesn't have time to waste on you. Why bother ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Why bother ?
Very true. I must be a glutton for punishment or something.
I feel bad for him. I wish he'd accept my offer and get the help he needs. I wonder what percentage of people watching 'The fall of the empire' are scared of psychiatrists and not getting the help they need to live normal, productive lives ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I feel bad for him. I wish he'd accept my offer and get the help he needs. I wonder what percentage of people watching 'The fall of the empire' are scared of psychiatrists and not getting the help they need to live normal, productive lives ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I understand your concerns, but as the saying, "you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink" is relevant.
True - the difference is, you can meet people in real life and drift away from them, but on CP, he's always here, and always reminding us of his psychological issues and broken worldview.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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True - the difference is, you can meet people in real life and drift away from them, but on CP, he's always here, and always reminding us of his psychological issues and broken worldview.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
but on CP, he's always here
Perhaps between us and Alex Jones's websites, we are his only friendly external faces he see. It is sad but real life to him could mean the CodeProject community
Yes, we are without doubt the best friends he has, and given how much he has alienated everyone here, that's pretty sad.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
