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Shut up headgy, you know nothing of the constitution. In your perspective, as Bush said "The constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper". You are your wallstreet buddies are going to pay dearly one way or another. If you think you can fuck people over like you guys have and get away with it then you are extremely naive.
Me and my Wall Street buddies? You really have no clue about anything, do you? Please, enlighten me... Tell me exactly who I've harmed, given that the hedge fund I work for is not a Ponzi scheme (a la Madoff), is not a mortgage lender, does not participate in corporate actions, and does not deal at all with small investors.
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Shut up headgy, you know nothing of the constitution. In your perspective, as Bush said "The constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper". You are your wallstreet buddies are going to pay dearly one way or another. If you think you can fuck people over like you guys have and get away with it then you are extremely naive.
Someone urinate in your cheerios again? He knows more about the constitution than you seem to, if it was a strict document then it would be much longer with considerably more annotation and a detailed glossary of terms. Instead they used flowing and inclusive language with minimal explanations, which is good, because the differences between governing the relatively small agrarian nation they had planned for is considerably different than what the US has become, technology has taken organizing a cross state meeting from a minimum of weeks to a few minutes if everyone's schedule matches up, and society now values more than just the white landowning male. If it didn't change, it'd have fallen by now.
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Someone urinate in your cheerios again? He knows more about the constitution than you seem to, if it was a strict document then it would be much longer with considerably more annotation and a detailed glossary of terms. Instead they used flowing and inclusive language with minimal explanations, which is good, because the differences between governing the relatively small agrarian nation they had planned for is considerably different than what the US has become, technology has taken organizing a cross state meeting from a minimum of weeks to a few minutes if everyone's schedule matches up, and society now values more than just the white landowning male. If it didn't change, it'd have fallen by now.
Distind wrote:
He knows more about the constitution than you seem to, if it was a strict document then it would be much longer with considerably more annotation and a detailed glossary of terms.
It is not a "living document", it is not to be reinterpreted. Calling is living document is a way to get around the law by shitting on the constitution.
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Huh, I don't remember voting for any of them. Seems to me like a bunch of old white people who are concerned because there's a chance of significant change in the near future. I generate my stereotype based upon my 'own' 'delegates'. There's always someone running around screaming that someone's trying to dominate everything. If you can't find that guy, then it's time to worry.
FACT CHECK: The Iraq and Afghanistan wars continue without end because Congress abdicated its Constitutional duty to Declare War and failed to subject the "Iraq Resolution" to a vigorous public debate prior to committing the blood and treasure of the People to this growing global conflict. Spiraling oil and food prices, the bursting housing "bubble", and our limitless national debt are all the result of our Government (unconstitutionally) allowing a privately-owned cartel of banks known as the "Federal Reserve System" to convert our precious metals based system of constitutional money into a system of currency based on limitless, paper debt that it can create out of thin air. While this system is the only one most of us have known for years, it is clear we have much to learn about the people and energies --over many decades -- who have acted far outside our fundamental Law to derail our governing Documents and The Principles which would have assured prosperity, peace and financial stability to our nation and our People. The endless influx of illegal aliens into our local communities is robbing Americans of their standard of living, if not their jobs, while at the same time burdening our cities with untold side effects of closed hospitals, overflowing jails, blighted neighborhoods and degraded school systems. By refusing to enforce our immigration laws -- i.e., those currently on the books -- elected officials in all branches of government have violated their Oath of Office and their explicit duty to enforce the laws under the Constitution. The IRS purports to possess an alleged authority to impose and enforce direct, unapportioned taxes on the labor of ordinary Americans. These taxes, (including so-called "employment" taxes) are by common definition, slave taxes. Beyond the fact that slavery is facially unconstitutional no matter its form, the Constitution explicitly prohibits any direct, non-apportioned tax. It is no coincidence that our Founders drew a bright line in the Law, by establishing the requirement for apportionment of all direct taxes as the only clause in the Constitution repeated twice. Once we recognize the fact that the cancers that infect our Republic have been caused, not by poor political policy, but by systemic, institutionalized, and unconstitutional tyranny, we can understand why the People have been virtually helpless in halting the intractable march of darkness, decay and despotism that has plagued our nation for decades.
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Distind wrote:
He knows more about the constitution than you seem to, if it was a strict document then it would be much longer with considerably more annotation and a detailed glossary of terms.
It is not a "living document", it is not to be reinterpreted. Calling is living document is a way to get around the law by shitting on the constitution.
"A living document or dynamic document is a document which may be continually edited and updated by either a limited or unrestricted group." (Source) Article Five of the Constitution: "The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate." (Source) Strike one.
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Distind wrote:
He knows more about the constitution than you seem to, if it was a strict document then it would be much longer with considerably more annotation and a detailed glossary of terms.
It is not a "living document", it is not to be reinterpreted. Calling is living document is a way to get around the law by shitting on the constitution.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is not a "living document", it is not to be reinterpreted.
I think that's how the justify stoning people as punishment, you know, the bible is not a living document. It is not to be reinterpreted. It is the rule of law and can never change, despite how society changes. That reminds me, does your mother ever wear a garment of clothing sewn together by 2 or more threads? If so, please let me know, so I can have her promptly executed, as dictated by the Lord. ...or maybe, just maybe as times change, so does the rule of law. Either way, if you don't concede to your duty and kill your mother.
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"A living document or dynamic document is a document which may be continually edited and updated by either a limited or unrestricted group." (Source) Article Five of the Constitution: "The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate." (Source) Strike one.
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That is not what the libtards and other subversives mean by a living document. They mean that it can be interpreted in any way as long as people go with it. That is how they get around the constitution.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is not a "living document", it is not to be reinterpreted.
I think that's how the justify stoning people as punishment, you know, the bible is not a living document. It is not to be reinterpreted. It is the rule of law and can never change, despite how society changes. That reminds me, does your mother ever wear a garment of clothing sewn together by 2 or more threads? If so, please let me know, so I can have her promptly executed, as dictated by the Lord. ...or maybe, just maybe as times change, so does the rule of law. Either way, if you don't concede to your duty and kill your mother.
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We are talking about The Constitution and Bill of Rights which protects us from tyranny and corruption when it is actually enforced as strict law. Instead people go along with the notion that is is a "living document" so people allow it to be twisted and warped to fit any type of tyranny as long as people can be tricked into believing its constitutional. After a while when all of the uncontitutional laws are in place, The Constitution is suddenly realized, as Bush said "..just a goddamn piece of paper".
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FACT CHECK: The Iraq and Afghanistan wars continue without end because Congress abdicated its Constitutional duty to Declare War and failed to subject the "Iraq Resolution" to a vigorous public debate prior to committing the blood and treasure of the People to this growing global conflict. Spiraling oil and food prices, the bursting housing "bubble", and our limitless national debt are all the result of our Government (unconstitutionally) allowing a privately-owned cartel of banks known as the "Federal Reserve System" to convert our precious metals based system of constitutional money into a system of currency based on limitless, paper debt that it can create out of thin air. While this system is the only one most of us have known for years, it is clear we have much to learn about the people and energies --over many decades -- who have acted far outside our fundamental Law to derail our governing Documents and The Principles which would have assured prosperity, peace and financial stability to our nation and our People. The endless influx of illegal aliens into our local communities is robbing Americans of their standard of living, if not their jobs, while at the same time burdening our cities with untold side effects of closed hospitals, overflowing jails, blighted neighborhoods and degraded school systems. By refusing to enforce our immigration laws -- i.e., those currently on the books -- elected officials in all branches of government have violated their Oath of Office and their explicit duty to enforce the laws under the Constitution. The IRS purports to possess an alleged authority to impose and enforce direct, unapportioned taxes on the labor of ordinary Americans. These taxes, (including so-called "employment" taxes) are by common definition, slave taxes. Beyond the fact that slavery is facially unconstitutional no matter its form, the Constitution explicitly prohibits any direct, non-apportioned tax. It is no coincidence that our Founders drew a bright line in the Law, by establishing the requirement for apportionment of all direct taxes as the only clause in the Constitution repeated twice. Once we recognize the fact that the cancers that infect our Republic have been caused, not by poor political policy, but by systemic, institutionalized, and unconstitutional tyranny, we can understand why the People have been virtually helpless in halting the intractable march of darkness, decay and despotism that has plagued our nation for decades.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The Iraq and Afghanistan wars continue without end because Congress abdicated its Constitutional duty to Declare War and failed to subject the "Iraq Resolution" to a vigorous public debate prior to committing the blood and treasure of the People to this growing global conflict.
The "Iraq Resolution" was, in effect, a declaration of war. The constitution does not stipulate that such a resolution must be subjected to public debate.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Spiraling oil and food prices, the bursting housing "bubble", and our limitless national debt are all the result of our Government (unconstitutionally) allowing a privately-owned cartel of banks known as the "Federal Reserve System" to convert our precious metals based system of constitutional money into a system of currency based on limitless, paper debt that it can create out of thin air.
There are many reasons why the ENTIRE WORLD now uses currency not backed by gold. I'm not going to try to educate you about this any further, since we've discussed it at length before, and you've continuously failed to prove your points.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The endless influx of illegal aliens into our local communities is robbing Americans of their standard of living, if not their jobs, while at the same time burdening our cities with untold side effects of closed hospitals, overflowing jails, blighted neighborhoods and degraded school systems. By refusing to enforce our immigration laws -- i.e., those currently on the books
Sure, illegal immigration is a problem. How exactly would you solve it? It's easy to talk about how bad it is, but it's a lot harder to actually find a workable solution.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Beyond the fact that slavery is facially unconstitutional no matter its form, the Constitution explicitly prohibits any direct, non-apportioned tax.
US Constitution, Article I, Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;" US Constitution, Amendment 16: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without app
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We are talking about The Constitution and Bill of Rights which protects us from tyranny and corruption when it is actually enforced as strict law. Instead people go along with the notion that is is a "living document" so people allow it to be twisted and warped to fit any type of tyranny as long as people can be tricked into believing its constitutional. After a while when all of the uncontitutional laws are in place, The Constitution is suddenly realized, as Bush said "..just a goddamn piece of paper".
Every document which outlines rights and protections has to shift along with society so it stays relevant. Failure to realize this ultimate simple truth only enhances your misunderstanding of the constitution itself.
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That is not what the libtards and other subversives mean by a living document. They mean that it can be interpreted in any way as long as people go with it. That is how they get around the constitution.
I couldn't care less about your so-called "libtards" and "subversives". We're discussing facts here, not made-up definitions. You don't get to redefine words to suit your purposes. The constitution specifically allows itself to be modified. This is indisputable.
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Distind wrote:
He knows more about the constitution than you seem to, if it was a strict document then it would be much longer with considerably more annotation and a detailed glossary of terms.
It is not a "living document", it is not to be reinterpreted. Calling is living document is a way to get around the law by shitting on the constitution.
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FACT CHECK: The Iraq and Afghanistan wars continue without end because Congress abdicated its Constitutional duty to Declare War and failed to subject the "Iraq Resolution" to a vigorous public debate prior to committing the blood and treasure of the People to this growing global conflict. Spiraling oil and food prices, the bursting housing "bubble", and our limitless national debt are all the result of our Government (unconstitutionally) allowing a privately-owned cartel of banks known as the "Federal Reserve System" to convert our precious metals based system of constitutional money into a system of currency based on limitless, paper debt that it can create out of thin air. While this system is the only one most of us have known for years, it is clear we have much to learn about the people and energies --over many decades -- who have acted far outside our fundamental Law to derail our governing Documents and The Principles which would have assured prosperity, peace and financial stability to our nation and our People. The endless influx of illegal aliens into our local communities is robbing Americans of their standard of living, if not their jobs, while at the same time burdening our cities with untold side effects of closed hospitals, overflowing jails, blighted neighborhoods and degraded school systems. By refusing to enforce our immigration laws -- i.e., those currently on the books -- elected officials in all branches of government have violated their Oath of Office and their explicit duty to enforce the laws under the Constitution. The IRS purports to possess an alleged authority to impose and enforce direct, unapportioned taxes on the labor of ordinary Americans. These taxes, (including so-called "employment" taxes) are by common definition, slave taxes. Beyond the fact that slavery is facially unconstitutional no matter its form, the Constitution explicitly prohibits any direct, non-apportioned tax. It is no coincidence that our Founders drew a bright line in the Law, by establishing the requirement for apportionment of all direct taxes as the only clause in the Constitution repeated twice. Once we recognize the fact that the cancers that infect our Republic have been caused, not by poor political policy, but by systemic, institutionalized, and unconstitutional tyranny, we can understand why the People have been virtually helpless in halting the intractable march of darkness, decay and despotism that has plagued our nation for decades.
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That is not what the libtards and other subversives mean by a living document. They mean that it can be interpreted in any way as long as people go with it. That is how they get around the constitution.
To be fair, if I wanted to subvert the thing I could probably do so without ever so much as tickling a letter of it. It's just not that well defined, and either it was intended that way, or our founding fathers were idiots. They had to realize that time would change what people thought of something and by not providing an explicit definition of terms the meaning would change.
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I couldn't care less about your so-called "libtards" and "subversives". We're discussing facts here, not made-up definitions. You don't get to redefine words to suit your purposes. The constitution specifically allows itself to be modified. This is indisputable.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
You don't get to redefine words to suit your purposes.
Oh, but the constitution can be redefined to suit the agenda of the people in power? :rolleyes: Get lost hedgy.
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It doesn't need to be interpreted. For instance. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." It means exactly what it says. Got that?
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
You don't get to redefine words to suit your purposes.
Oh, but the constitution can be redefined to suit the agenda of the people in power? :rolleyes: Get lost hedgy.
Redefined? No. Amended, through act of Congress? Yes. Interpreted by the Judiciary? Yes.
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To be fair, if I wanted to subvert the thing I could probably do so without ever so much as tickling a letter of it. It's just not that well defined, and either it was intended that way, or our founding fathers were idiots. They had to realize that time would change what people thought of something and by not providing an explicit definition of terms the meaning would change.
Distind wrote:
To be fair, if I wanted to subvert the thing I could probably do so without ever so much as tickling a letter of it.
Which is exactly what is happening. They just say, oh, the framers didn't know what the hell they were thinking when they wrote it, this is what they really meant...and then the stupid yuppies eat it up because they never read the constitution.
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Every document which outlines rights and protections has to shift along with society so it stays relevant. Failure to realize this ultimate simple truth only enhances your misunderstanding of the constitution itself.
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Now tell me how that has to shift to stay relevant to today?
EliottA wrote:
Failure to realize this ultimate simple truth only enhances your misunderstanding of the constitution itself.
You should redirect that statement to yourself, you know nothing about the constitution. You probably voted for Obama instead of Ron Paul. You are un-American trash.
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It doesn't need to be interpreted. For instance. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." It means exactly what it says. Got that?
What is a religion? What is exercising a religion? Where exactly does human sacrifice fall under here, is calling it murder limiting someone's ability to follow their religion? Define freedom of speech. Does this give you the right to slander someone without repercussion? Does Peaceably assemble include doing so in areas which may spur external violence? What form may these petitions take? What qualifies as a grievance? That's off the top of my head. I spent five years getting the basics of good documentation drilled into my head. The Constitution reads like a basic summary of intent more than the specification of a nation.