John Lennon on the myth of over-population
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They are the computers on my network!
------------------------------------ No Good Deed Goes Unpunished Clare Boothe Luce
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Thirty-five years ago, the big media scare was over population - we were all doomed. Then it was the coming ice age that was going to kill everyone. Now we're all going to die of global warming. Kind of typical that Lennon didn't follow the mainstream thought. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yRh5NNiFG0[^]
You are aware overpopulation still has the potential to be a major problem right? That a great deal of improvements in technology over the last twenty years was improving efficiency of what we already had? There is finite space, finite resources, and as such there are only so many people we can support at one time. If you want to reduce the standard of living we can increase that number substantially, but history has shown repeatedly that people would rather have others die than face inconvenience themselves. But, quick version of the warming to an ice age bit. Stupidly simple. Gulf Stream, it brings warm water up from the tropical regions to Europe. As it brings it up, water evaporates, making the water being moved by the gulf stream more dense, causing it to sink deeper into the ocean to eventually make a return trip far deeper. This is what keeps Europe from resembling Siberia, which is at the same latitude, because all the warm water heats up the general area. Water's good like that. Global warming, melts glaciers, releasing freshwater where the gulf stream is supposed to be dense enough to make it's return trip. The fresh water dilutes the stream to the point where the flow is altered significantly, possibly causing the flow to stop running up along Europe and anywhere else currently benefiting from it's Siberia preventing abilities. And bing, look, we have all kinds of new ice forming. Water warm, ice cold. Ice warm, water cold. Water warm, land warm. Water cold, land cold. To make it as monosyllabic as possible.
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You are aware overpopulation still has the potential to be a major problem right? That a great deal of improvements in technology over the last twenty years was improving efficiency of what we already had? There is finite space, finite resources, and as such there are only so many people we can support at one time. If you want to reduce the standard of living we can increase that number substantially, but history has shown repeatedly that people would rather have others die than face inconvenience themselves. But, quick version of the warming to an ice age bit. Stupidly simple. Gulf Stream, it brings warm water up from the tropical regions to Europe. As it brings it up, water evaporates, making the water being moved by the gulf stream more dense, causing it to sink deeper into the ocean to eventually make a return trip far deeper. This is what keeps Europe from resembling Siberia, which is at the same latitude, because all the warm water heats up the general area. Water's good like that. Global warming, melts glaciers, releasing freshwater where the gulf stream is supposed to be dense enough to make it's return trip. The fresh water dilutes the stream to the point where the flow is altered significantly, possibly causing the flow to stop running up along Europe and anywhere else currently benefiting from it's Siberia preventing abilities. And bing, look, we have all kinds of new ice forming. Water warm, ice cold. Ice warm, water cold. Water warm, land warm. Water cold, land cold. To make it as monosyllabic as possible.
Distind wrote:
You are aware overpopulation still has the potential to be a major problem right?
No, the earth will sustain the amount of life it can feed, and no more.
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Distind wrote:
You are aware overpopulation still has the potential to be a major problem right?
No, the earth will sustain the amount of life it can feed, and no more.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No, the earth will sustain the amount of life it can feed, and no more.
Wow! Thank you for that amazing insight. Straight for 'The Limits to Growth'. However, there is no short, sharp, cut-off. What actually happens is that the population grows beyond the point of sustainability before it finally collapses. Which means that, for many years, millions of people die slow and painful deaths. But that is acceptable to you, you don't mind other people suffering. You are one of the 'high minded' folk that Bertrand Russell was writing about[^]. [Edit: added link to BR]
Bob Emmett
modified on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 2:15 PM
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Distind wrote:
You are aware overpopulation still has the potential to be a major problem right?
No, the earth will sustain the amount of life it can feed, and no more.
Sustain yes, that doesn't stop us from attempting to exceed that amount and the war and strife which would occur. And on top of that you seem to miss the bit about standard of living. Are you really willing to start farming from dawn to dusk to ensure you can eat? Personally, I'd rather keep writing software, not quite as hard on the back.
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Sustain yes, that doesn't stop us from attempting to exceed that amount and the war and strife which would occur. And on top of that you seem to miss the bit about standard of living. Are you really willing to start farming from dawn to dusk to ensure you can eat? Personally, I'd rather keep writing software, not quite as hard on the back.
Nothing can compete with the natural order. Life on earth has been around for over 2 billion years, the natural system works perfectly.
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Nothing can compete with the natural order. Life on earth has been around for over 2 billion years, the natural system works perfectly.
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Nothing can compete with the natural order. Life on earth has been around for over 2 billion years, the natural system works perfectly.
... Natural order? Since when has the natural order stood in the way of human kind? I must have missed the natural order that built highways, cars and jumbo jets. The natural order says man is a moderately high level predator, man said get bent and has since been making increasingly unnatural tools to leave nature behind.
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... Natural order? Since when has the natural order stood in the way of human kind? I must have missed the natural order that built highways, cars and jumbo jets. The natural order says man is a moderately high level predator, man said get bent and has since been making increasingly unnatural tools to leave nature behind.
Apparently you don't understand that things balance themselves out, as they always have, and always will.
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Apparently you don't understand that things balance themselves out, as they always have, and always will.
... Ok, things balance themselves out, but power hungry globalists are going to take over the world? They're going to eliminate the population to fit their whims(despite a larger population meaning a bigger work force to support them), but everything balances out? Those poor damn Dodos, they never saw you coming.
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... Ok, things balance themselves out, but power hungry globalists are going to take over the world? They're going to eliminate the population to fit their whims(despite a larger population meaning a bigger work force to support them), but everything balances out? Those poor damn Dodos, they never saw you coming.
Distind wrote:
but power hungry globalists are going to take over the world?
We are not talking about our invented society, we are talking about life in the ecosystem. Society is our creation.
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Distind wrote:
but power hungry globalists are going to take over the world?
We are not talking about our invented society, we are talking about life in the ecosystem. Society is our creation.
And society is what's happily tromping on what we refer to as an ecosystem. That doesn't really balance, human history is a collection of tales about humans continuing to find better ways to circumvent natural processes and anything which may contribute to this 'balance'. Even the standard of living you enjoy is far beyond anything natural, there are no balancing forces other than HR departments and taxes.
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And society is what's happily tromping on what we refer to as an ecosystem. That doesn't really balance, human history is a collection of tales about humans continuing to find better ways to circumvent natural processes and anything which may contribute to this 'balance'. Even the standard of living you enjoy is far beyond anything natural, there are no balancing forces other than HR departments and taxes.
The ecosystem will adapt to us, and we will adapt to the ecosystem, as life always has even in the most catastrophic events.
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The ecosystem will adapt to us, and we will adapt to the ecosystem, as life always has even in the most catastrophic events.
You missed significant portions of those classes didn't you. It adapted, after massive die-offs, extinctions and a few hundred thousand years. The real point is the earth will be fine, we are the ones we're going to screw. I'd rather avoid extinction or resource wars myself, as such a sensible approach in educating people that humans aren't intended to give birth in litters is a good start.
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And society is what's happily tromping on what we refer to as an ecosystem. That doesn't really balance, human history is a collection of tales about humans continuing to find better ways to circumvent natural processes and anything which may contribute to this 'balance'. Even the standard of living you enjoy is far beyond anything natural, there are no balancing forces other than HR departments and taxes.
I assume your "solution" to this supposed "problem" is having a group of powerful men & women in government dictating and manipulating people's reproductive habits? Think about what it would feel like to be dictating and manipulating billions of people reproductive habits, requiring sterilizations, forced birth control injections/pills/implants, forced abortions, and baby confiscations. If you want to talk about human rights and mass suffering, put people like that in power. It astounds me how dangerously ignorant you depopulation morons are.
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I assume your "solution" to this supposed "problem" is having a group of powerful men & women in government dictating and manipulating people's reproductive habits? Think about what it would feel like to be dictating and manipulating billions of people reproductive habits, requiring sterilizations, forced birth control injections/pills/implants, forced abortions, and baby confiscations. If you want to talk about human rights and mass suffering, put people like that in power. It astounds me how dangerously ignorant you depopulation morons are.
Nice assumptions, you missed my bit about education which was the only bit I put forward as a solution. I do like to believe that if someone is actually educated they will make decent decisions. And given the number of humans who have decided fertility drugs are such a wonder that they can now get that full family of 7 in one pass, well, we need to educate these people about the issues that are involved. Not even to mention the impact on resource consumption.