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  • C CaptainSeeSharp

    You make shit up. We are going into a cooling stage now, the heating and cooling is due to the cycles of the sun. How do you account for the synchronous melting and now synchronous expanding (due to the cooling stage the solar system experiencing due to the cycles of the sun) of both Earth's and Mars' ice caps? You either believe the COP15 wannabe global corporate dictators who use fraud, or you believe real science. I believe the real science not based on fraud and power-grabbing / money-grabbing. Only people with the intellect of an amoeba believe the man made global warming propaganda spew.

    Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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    You do realise, I hope, that the science only believes that we are heading toward an ice age, and it only belives that based on the evidence and theories it has right now, all of these are open to change at any point. Also that when they say now, they mean within the next thousand or 10's of thousands of years? This is geology, nothing happens fast! BTW the sun's cycles has nowt to do with ice ages. Generally the sun's output is always increasing, which would suggest everything should be getting dryer and hotter, but it doesn't as you've said, we have cycles. There are smaller cycles of sunspot activty, but these are too weak and frequent i.e. we should have more ice ages than we've had. Most science tends to say these small cycles might amplify an ice-age, and not cause it.

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      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

      Two strategies are utilized here, divide & conquer, [...]

      'Divide & conquer' is a single strategy. The idea is by splitting up the opposition [divide], you can gain an advantage with each faction [conquer]. So your usual challange, admit your error or continue as if you are right?


      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

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      Nagy Vilmos wrote:

      So your usual challange, admit your error or continue as if you are right?

      Stupid fool. I said.. "Two strategies are utilized here, (first)(divide & conquer), and (second)(problem reaction solution)."

      Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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      • C CaptainSeeSharp

        Nagy Vilmos wrote:

        So your usual challange, admit your error or continue as if you are right?

        Stupid fool. I said.. "Two strategies are utilized here, (first)(divide & conquer), and (second)(problem reaction solution)."

        Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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        Oh hey, you going to admit you had no idea what Black Propaganda meant even after you linked to it? I am pretty impressed by this one. A bunch of people point out how wrong you are and all you can manage to do it is pick up on this 1 guys mistake. Since you can't admit you are wrong and ignore any argument that you can't win, we'll all be free to assume the points made were valid. Off-shoring was done to save money (stupidly) and your friend that thinks global warming is a crock happens to have been one of the biggest proponents of it in Britain. So he's working for part of the conspiracy against another part. Maybe they should fire him?

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          Oh hey, you going to admit you had no idea what Black Propaganda meant even after you linked to it? I am pretty impressed by this one. A bunch of people point out how wrong you are and all you can manage to do it is pick up on this 1 guys mistake. Since you can't admit you are wrong and ignore any argument that you can't win, we'll all be free to assume the points made were valid. Off-shoring was done to save money (stupidly) and your friend that thinks global warming is a crock happens to have been one of the biggest proponents of it in Britain. So he's working for part of the conspiracy against another part. Maybe they should fire him?

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          Look up problem/reaction/solution you stupid ignorant shit brained moron. I take great satisfaction in educating your puny peons.

          Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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          • C CaptainSeeSharp

            Look up problem/reaction/solution you stupid ignorant shit brained moron. I take great satisfaction in educating your puny peons.

            Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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            Oh look honey, he's gone back into his dark hole of insults and assumed intellectual superiority. Isn't it cute how he thinks he's in any way relevant to the world at large?

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            • C CaptainSeeSharp

              Look up problem/reaction/solution you stupid ignorant shit brained moron. I take great satisfaction in educating your puny peons.

              Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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              ragnaroknrol
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              Oh hey, you going to look up Black Propaganda again and STILL NOT EFFING UNDERSTAND IT?!?!?! Kind of stupid to tell someone to look up a term when you have done so yourself and NOT UNDERSTOOD IT!!! And the peon line is getting old. That all you got? Get some more inventive terms. Oh, you still haven't addressed my point. I don't care that he was wrong. I noticed that he missed the 2nd point and thought you had done only 1. yippee. My point is that you were refuted by 2 other people, quite handily, and you ignored them just to pounce on the mistake. What, can't handle going toe to toe on those points? So again, the guy is working FOR the conspiracy by sending jobs away while working AGAINST it by stopping the global warming machine? So answer me this, is he with the conspiracy or against it? And don't try to deflect or use a strawman.

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                Oh hey, you going to look up Black Propaganda again and STILL NOT EFFING UNDERSTAND IT?!?!?! Kind of stupid to tell someone to look up a term when you have done so yourself and NOT UNDERSTOOD IT!!! And the peon line is getting old. That all you got? Get some more inventive terms. Oh, you still haven't addressed my point. I don't care that he was wrong. I noticed that he missed the 2nd point and thought you had done only 1. yippee. My point is that you were refuted by 2 other people, quite handily, and you ignored them just to pounce on the mistake. What, can't handle going toe to toe on those points? So again, the guy is working FOR the conspiracy by sending jobs away while working AGAINST it by stopping the global warming machine? So answer me this, is he with the conspiracy or against it? And don't try to deflect or use a strawman.

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                ragnaroknrol wrote:

                So answer me this, is he with the conspiracy or against it?

                The answer is in your look-up of problem/reaction/solution.

                Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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                • C CaptainSeeSharp

                  Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                  So your usual challange, admit your error or continue as if you are right?

                  Stupid fool. I said.. "Two strategies are utilized here, (first)(divide & conquer), and (second)(problem reaction solution)."

                  Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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                  Nagy Vilmos
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                  You can't construct a sentance and rely in copy'n'paste. I think you're confused who the fool is.


                  Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

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                  • C CaptainSeeSharp

                    ragnaroknrol wrote:

                    So answer me this, is he with the conspiracy or against it?

                    The answer is in your look-up of problem/reaction/solution.

                    Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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                    ragnaroknrol
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                    You make a problem and when people demand something to stop it you make a solution that makes your personal power grow. Yippee, simple enough concept. Kinda like Black propaganda. Which you still don't understand even after linking to it in Wikipedia (after you had said it was not a valid source) What does any of this have to do with a guy outsourcing jobs and then combatting global warming advocates? Outsourcing jobs wasn't causing people to think AGW must be happening. This guy was all for outsourcing jobs. So he is obviously part of the conspiracy. He's fighting the conspiracy on AGW. So now, if you are using problem/reaction/solution as an excuse for his behavior, why were you defending him LESS THAN A WEEK AGO?!?! Oh and you going to admit you don't understand the term black propaganda?

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                    • C CaptainSeeSharp

                      Christian Graus wrote:

                      What's funny is, capitalism has already DONE that.

                      No, the criminal aristocratic globalists have done that to exploit the third-world while deindustrializing the first-world. Then they arrogantly lie to everyone to convince them that the command & control system of socialism/communism is the solution to the problem they they created, so that they get more power. Two strategies are utilized here, divide & conquer, and problem reaction solution. Looks them up.

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                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                      Two strategies are utilized here, divide & conquer, and problem reaction solution. Looks them up.

                      Actually they're pretty much the same thing. Kind of like black propaganda[^], you don't understand your own terminology. In Tales From The Time Loop (2003), Icke argues that most organized religions, especially Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, are Illuminati creations designed to divide and conquer the human race through endless conflicts, as are racial, ethnic, and sexual divisions. He cites the Holocaust, the Oklahoma City bombing, and 9/11 as examples of events organized by the Global Elite.[50] The incidents allow the Elite to respond in whatever way they intended to act in the first place, a concept Icke calls "order out of chaos," or "problem-reaction-solution," his version of the Hegelian dialectic. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem-reaction-solution#Problem-reaction-solution[^] In other words, "Problem-reaction-solution" = "divide and conquer". Frankly, I think the whole theory is a load of garbage, and I'm sure you'll think of a mindless insult in response to that, since you can't even support your own theories, but maybe you should at least look up the terms yourself[^] before you ask us to do the same. Oh, and BY THE WAY... Here's another quote from the article describing the guy who invented your "problem-reaction-solution" concept! "His ontology amounts to a neo-Hegelian idealism with an extraterrestrial twist. He argues that human beings are the result of a breeding program conducted by a race of reptilians called Anunnaki from the planet Draco, and that what we call reality is nothing but a "five-sense illusion," or holographic experience. The only reality is the realm of the Absolute. He bel

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                      • I Ian Shlasko

                        CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                        Two strategies are utilized here, divide & conquer, and problem reaction solution. Looks them up.

                        Actually they're pretty much the same thing. Kind of like black propaganda[^], you don't understand your own terminology. In Tales From The Time Loop (2003), Icke argues that most organized religions, especially Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, are Illuminati creations designed to divide and conquer the human race through endless conflicts, as are racial, ethnic, and sexual divisions. He cites the Holocaust, the Oklahoma City bombing, and 9/11 as examples of events organized by the Global Elite.[50] The incidents allow the Elite to respond in whatever way they intended to act in the first place, a concept Icke calls "order out of chaos," or "problem-reaction-solution," his version of the Hegelian dialectic. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem-reaction-solution#Problem-reaction-solution[^] In other words, "Problem-reaction-solution" = "divide and conquer". Frankly, I think the whole theory is a load of garbage, and I'm sure you'll think of a mindless insult in response to that, since you can't even support your own theories, but maybe you should at least look up the terms yourself[^] before you ask us to do the same. Oh, and BY THE WAY... Here's another quote from the article describing the guy who invented your "problem-reaction-solution" concept! "His ontology amounts to a neo-Hegelian idealism with an extraterrestrial twist. He argues that human beings are the result of a breeding program conducted by a race of reptilians called Anunnaki from the planet Draco, and that what we call reality is nothing but a "five-sense illusion," or holographic experience. The only reality is the realm of the Absolute. He bel

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                        Oddly the Lamarckian belief bothers me far more than any of the rest. But then possibly because I can actually prove it completely wrong myself.

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                          Oddly the Lamarckian belief bothers me far more than any of the rest. But then possibly because I can actually prove it completely wrong myself.

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                          ragnaroknrol
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                          Oh come on. You can't do that. Why just yesterday I thought it was too cold to go outside in the 5ft drifts and grew a parka on my skin in response. It obviously works, just ask the giraffes.

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                            Oh come on. You can't do that. Why just yesterday I thought it was too cold to go outside in the 5ft drifts and grew a parka on my skin in response. It obviously works, just ask the giraffes.

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                            I was more thinking that despite my family's history I wasn't born with a DWI record(and for that matter still don't have one). It's fun to watch the believers sputter when I use that one. A good way to see if they actually even understand what it is.

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                              I was more thinking that despite my family's history I wasn't born with a DWI record(and for that matter still don't have one). It's fun to watch the believers sputter when I use that one. A good way to see if they actually even understand what it is.

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                              ragnaroknrol
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                              You will find a lot of anti-evolution advocates have a view that this is how evolution actually works in the theories. That and they have no idea what a scientific theory is. Dalak Dave's signature shows how a theory can be misunderstood quite well.

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                              • C CaptainSeeSharp

                                ragnaroknrol wrote:

                                So answer me this, is he with the conspiracy or against it?

                                The answer is in your look-up of problem/reaction/solution.

                                Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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                                Problem - Reaction - Solution. The problem is: if you believe in a shadowy 'them', and you identify an event as the Solution that 'they' wanted, it is easy to select an appropriate 'Problem' and 'Reaction' from the set of events preceding the 'Solution'. Indeed, more than one 'Problem - Reaction' set may be selected. It is how many conspiracy hypotheses may be created from the same set of historical facts, depending on who 'they' are (Military, Bankers, Communists, yada yada). What concerns me is that your 'elite' is taking so long to take over, they must be inept. I suspect it is led by Mr. Bean and E.L. Wisty.

                                Bob Emmett

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                                  The Environmental Protection Agency’s recent declaration that the life-sustaining gas carbon dioxide is a dangerous pollutant is part of an effort to establish “command-and-control” role for government. EPA boss Lisa Jackson declared carbon dioxide dangerous prior to her scheduled appearance at the Copenhagen climate summit in Denmark. Command-and-control is a military term defined as the exercise of authority and direction by a designated commanding officer over assigned and attached forces in the accomplishment of the mission. In the case of the EPA, the mission is to impose the globalist climate change agenda on the United States. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mrNYE56I3A[^] More specifically, the EPA threat to impose a military-style command-and-control over the economy is an effort to force congressional action on the climate change agenda. EPA states that it will not wait for an agreement in Copenhagen and action on climate change legislation in Congress. Proposed legislation that passed the House is currently on hold in the Senate. The agency, established by Richard Nixon and Congress in 1970 with 18,000 full-time employees, will intervene directly in the economy, according to an official. “If you don’t pass this legislation, then … the EPA is going to have to regulate in this area,” the official announced. “And it is not going to be able to regulate on a market-based way, so it’s going to have to regulate in a command-and-control way, which will probably generate even more uncertainty.” The EPA official warned that the EPA’s intervention will be a huge “deterrent to investment” and will inflict injury on an already damaged economy. Critics of the Obama administration and the EPA say such directives from on-high represent a move toward socialism. In fact, the EPA’s dictatorial edict is more evidence that the government is colluding with the “powers of financial capitalism,” as Carroll Quigley of Georgetown University described the global elite, who are working to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. “This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences,” explained Quigley. The leak earlier this week of the “Danish text” demonstrates that secret agreements

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                                  I did a bit number crunching with regards to CO2 sometime ago. CO2 - You can't run ------------------- propodean

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