No, really CaptainSeeSharp
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josda1000 wrote:
People in military would not just go along with that.
That's the other major flaw with the 'we need guns to protect us from the government' theory. The military refusing to attack the civilians they swore to protect, is a far greater reason that will never happen, than the ownership of a few pop guns.
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Well, don't take it out of context. It did happen in Germany, and even here, like CSS said, with the Japanese. But if you're talking about imprisoning the whole of the people, that will just NOT happen. If there's an actual revolt/revolution though, the military would be against us, definitely. So yes, you do need the second amendment. BUT the government would not take a first step in that direction toward total imprisonment. They would lose, definitely.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No he didn't. He said there are laws and regulation in place for quarantine of those who refuse the shots. Particularly in Massachusetts.
Incorrect. Do your research. S2028 is still in the Massachusetts House of Representatives, and it has been watered down quite a bit. BELIEVE ME... I live in Lowell MA, I had to look it up. Do your research.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
until you find out that your constitutional rights have been usurped.
As if I didn't know that. Why would I do a show with my kind of content, if I didn't already know this? Most of the first ten amendments have been trampled over. Duh.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Oh so the Japanese weren't rounded up and forced to live and work in camps.
Yes, I realize this. But that's when we had major racists in the country. If they were to ever go after the whole populous, you'd have a war on your hands. People in military would not just go along with that. Sorry. Class dismissed.
We live in different times, but the same thing goes on. War on Terror, War on Drugs, War on Climate Change, it all leads to absolute tyranny in the end unless people stand up and take action, denial will only progress tyranny.
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We live in different times, but the same thing goes on. War on Terror, War on Drugs, War on Climate Change, it all leads to absolute tyranny in the end unless people stand up and take action, denial will only progress tyranny.
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This is one of those meaningless, unqualified statements that impress you so when people make them on youtube, and you get so confused that they don't work in the real world.
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Why did you come back? You said where not worth it, you said you had better shit to do. You said we cannot be educated and that we where not worth your time. Why the hell did you come back here?
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I note he did not answer you.
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Well, don't take it out of context. It did happen in Germany, and even here, like CSS said, with the Japanese. But if you're talking about imprisoning the whole of the people, that will just NOT happen. If there's an actual revolt/revolution though, the military would be against us, definitely. So yes, you do need the second amendment. BUT the government would not take a first step in that direction toward total imprisonment. They would lose, definitely.
josda1000 wrote:
But if you're talking about imprisoning the whole of the people, that will just NOT happen.
If everyone is completely dependent on the government for food, shelter, clothing, heat, and they are so indoctrinated and brainwashed, do you not think people will go into shelters if there is an economic collapse with terrorist and bio-threats all over the place and people just want to be safe and fed. The propaganda line would possibly be "Red Cross Center - People Helping People".
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josda1000 wrote:
But if you're talking about imprisoning the whole of the people, that will just NOT happen.
If everyone is completely dependent on the government for food, shelter, clothing, heat, and they are so indoctrinated and brainwashed, do you not think people will go into shelters if there is an economic collapse with terrorist and bio-threats all over the place and people just want to be safe and fed. The propaganda line would possibly be "Red Cross Center - People Helping People".
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This is an incredibly elaborate fantasy world that you live in. How could EVERYONE be dependent on the government for those things ? How do you get to that point ? How are you even on that road ?
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We live in different times, but the same thing goes on. War on Terror, War on Drugs, War on Climate Change, it all leads to absolute tyranny in the end unless people stand up and take action, denial will only progress tyranny.
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Well, I half agree with you. But you still miss my point. These are not on only one segment of OUR population. War on Terror: Directed to the Mid-East, that the CIA uses to attack "right-wing extremists", and now calling us "domestic terrorists". This is not a racial thing; it's a logic problem that the populous gets confused on. Yay media! Yay fascism! War on Drugs: Just a cartel that the CIA likes to gets the populous confused on, as well. Yay media! Yay fascism! War on Climate Change: Yeah, I haven't heard that term yet. Please don't create new ones for them to steal and use in the media. But yeah, I understand it. Yay media! Yay fascism! BUT! These are not racial issues. Though, they are conquering and dividing pretty well, aren't they? First they take away power from the states, then divide us again by idealism.
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Well, I half agree with you. But you still miss my point. These are not on only one segment of OUR population. War on Terror: Directed to the Mid-East, that the CIA uses to attack "right-wing extremists", and now calling us "domestic terrorists". This is not a racial thing; it's a logic problem that the populous gets confused on. Yay media! Yay fascism! War on Drugs: Just a cartel that the CIA likes to gets the populous confused on, as well. Yay media! Yay fascism! War on Climate Change: Yeah, I haven't heard that term yet. Please don't create new ones for them to steal and use in the media. But yeah, I understand it. Yay media! Yay fascism! BUT! These are not racial issues. Though, they are conquering and dividing pretty well, aren't they? First they take away power from the states, then divide us again by idealism.
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josda1000 wrote:
But if you're talking about imprisoning the whole of the people, that will just NOT happen.
If everyone is completely dependent on the government for food, shelter, clothing, heat, and they are so indoctrinated and brainwashed, do you not think people will go into shelters if there is an economic collapse with terrorist and bio-threats all over the place and people just want to be safe and fed. The propaganda line would possibly be "Red Cross Center - People Helping People".
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Well, let's bring it back to the American Revolution. A lot of people did align with Britain, and only about 10% of the population sided with the "rebels", or the colonies. Of the 10%, only about 30% actually fought the redcoats. The people that didn't want to fight the British were "safe", and didn't want change; they were dependent on the mother country. You can't change everyone's minds. It takes time. Calling them names isn't going to change a damned thing. It will sound (and does sound) like you're insane. And the funny thing is, I'm on your side. They'll come around. They already are. Look at the supreme court decision just made. Look at Scott Brown and how he's already succumbing to the health care thing, when he was railing against it. Democrats + Republicans = Republicrats. Big government. Yay fascism.
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Yeah. I know. I told you that earlier. They're calling you and I "right-wing extremists." And anti-government (just as the founding fathers were). I'm not even Christian really anymore, but I'll be put into that term. I'm not anti-abortion, I just have principles. Ah well.
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Why are you putting ME on the defensive?! My answer to you anyway: The United States Constitution (the most important part) United States Code Code of Federal Regulations Newspieces (on both sides of the argument). But my argument here is that, when you cite something, all you do is say, "Hey look! You guys are ignorant and stupid! Can't you see something in your face?!" So what I'm saying is, instead of just posting a link, write something of your own opinion and words, and don't make it sound like something out of Area 51 or outer space. Make a logical point and conclusion. My problem with Alex Jones is that, while the vaccinations were detrimental to the ones that took it, he thought we were going to death camps if we didn't take them. Notice we're still here. We're ok. Life goes on. Yes we may be debt slaves still, but we aren't in prison or anything. He goes too far. As do you. You have no backing, really. Rex 84 didn't happen. FEMA camps didn't happen. Y2K didn't happen. Life goes on. Put some logic into the arguments. Thanks for playing.
josda1000 wrote:
My problem with Alex Jones is that, while the vaccinations were detrimental to the ones that took it, he thought we were going to death camps if we didn't take them.
Now that I remember, he said that the flu fear mongering was going to be the next "false-flag" to see if they can bring us further into a police-state. They use fear of invisible phantom type things (terrorists, carbon dioxide, bio-threats) to force us into submission slowly but surely (rationing, invasion of privacy, humiliation, letting go of liberty, surrendering your wealth, loss of sovereignty, tolerance of brutality and corruption, and so on).
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Because his girlfriend had a puncture and he lost his pizza delivery job.
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She probably threw herself on a tack and committed suicide. :laugh:
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josda1000 wrote:
But if you're talking about imprisoning the whole of the people, that will just NOT happen.
If everyone is completely dependent on the government for food, shelter, clothing, heat, and they are so indoctrinated and brainwashed, do you not think people will go into shelters if there is an economic collapse with terrorist and bio-threats all over the place and people just want to be safe and fed. The propaganda line would possibly be "Red Cross Center - People Helping People".
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If everyone is completely dependent on the government for food, shelter, clothing, heat, and they are so indoctrinated and brainwashed, do you not think people will go into shelters if there is an economic collapse with terrorist and bio-threats all over the place and people just want to be safe and fed. The propaganda line would possibly be "Red Cross Center - People Helping People".
An how exactly will guns help against this? Seriously? What is the percentage of firearm owners that hunt? Even if they do hunt, they do it in specific seasons and not enough to be completely independent for their food supply. Seriously, you pull out this line of reasoning and didn't think it through? In the scenario you just described having a gun is WORTHLESS. It didn't change a single thing. Having a gun is not going to suddenly free you from dependence for food, shelter, etc... And wtf is the logic here? Heat is a PRIVATE industry, government isn't involved there, same with food and shelter. I got bills that show company names for where I pay and none of them look like government entities. This scenario made no sense.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If everyone is completely dependent on the government for food, shelter, clothing, heat, and they are so indoctrinated and brainwashed, do you not think people will go into shelters if there is an economic collapse with terrorist and bio-threats all over the place and people just want to be safe and fed. The propaganda line would possibly be "Red Cross Center - People Helping People".
An how exactly will guns help against this? Seriously? What is the percentage of firearm owners that hunt? Even if they do hunt, they do it in specific seasons and not enough to be completely independent for their food supply. Seriously, you pull out this line of reasoning and didn't think it through? In the scenario you just described having a gun is WORTHLESS. It didn't change a single thing. Having a gun is not going to suddenly free you from dependence for food, shelter, etc... And wtf is the logic here? Heat is a PRIVATE industry, government isn't involved there, same with food and shelter. I got bills that show company names for where I pay and none of them look like government entities. This scenario made no sense.
Expected reply: a gun will help him get those off of other people. Yeah, he's going to be Mad Max or the World's going to be Borderlands/Fallout/choose your post-apocalytic world here where he'll blithely ignore that a) that's frigging dumb and b) it wouldn't be sustainable anyway.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If everyone is completely dependent on the government for food, shelter, clothing, heat, and they are so indoctrinated and brainwashed, do you not think people will go into shelters if there is an economic collapse with terrorist and bio-threats all over the place and people just want to be safe and fed. The propaganda line would possibly be "Red Cross Center - People Helping People".
An how exactly will guns help against this? Seriously? What is the percentage of firearm owners that hunt? Even if they do hunt, they do it in specific seasons and not enough to be completely independent for their food supply. Seriously, you pull out this line of reasoning and didn't think it through? In the scenario you just described having a gun is WORTHLESS. It didn't change a single thing. Having a gun is not going to suddenly free you from dependence for food, shelter, etc... And wtf is the logic here? Heat is a PRIVATE industry, government isn't involved there, same with food and shelter. I got bills that show company names for where I pay and none of them look like government entities. This scenario made no sense.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
In the scenario you just described having a gun is WORTHLESS
Bullshit. You will either fight, or die in the work camps. Like you are going to get fed real well in the work camps anyways :rolleyes:
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Why are you putting ME on the defensive?! My answer to you anyway: The United States Constitution (the most important part) United States Code Code of Federal Regulations Newspieces (on both sides of the argument). But my argument here is that, when you cite something, all you do is say, "Hey look! You guys are ignorant and stupid! Can't you see something in your face?!" So what I'm saying is, instead of just posting a link, write something of your own opinion and words, and don't make it sound like something out of Area 51 or outer space. Make a logical point and conclusion. My problem with Alex Jones is that, while the vaccinations were detrimental to the ones that took it, he thought we were going to death camps if we didn't take them. Notice we're still here. We're ok. Life goes on. Yes we may be debt slaves still, but we aren't in prison or anything. He goes too far. As do you. You have no backing, really. Rex 84 didn't happen. FEMA camps didn't happen. Y2K didn't happen. Life goes on. Put some logic into the arguments. Thanks for playing.
As an aside: I'm assuming that by vaccinations you meant the swine flu jab? I took it as I'm in the at risk group (diabetes) and aside from slight soreness and a dizzy spell was back to full health in 3 days and been fine ever since. It's been over a couple of months, any negative symptoms should've shown up by now. ...apart for the appetite for brains but I'm on top of that now.
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As an aside: I'm assuming that by vaccinations you meant the swine flu jab? I took it as I'm in the at risk group (diabetes) and aside from slight soreness and a dizzy spell was back to full health in 3 days and been fine ever since. It's been over a couple of months, any negative symptoms should've shown up by now. ...apart for the appetite for brains but I'm on top of that now.
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Yeah exactly, that's another thing: I know I had the swine flu myself, and I got over it in a week. I had to take a couple days off from work, but that's about it. Not a big deal.
josda1000 wrote:
Yeah exactly, that's another thing: I know I had the swine flu myself, and I got over it in a week. I had to take a couple days off from work, but that's about it. Not a big deal.
Yeah, but the Wold Health Organization claimed it to be a world-wide level 6 (the highest possible level) pandemic. Governments around the world rushed to vaccinate the entire population as quickly as possible. Now it has been exposed to be a scam, a fraud, just like everything they do. The vaccines were dangerous, rush manufactured, known to have ethl-murcury, and squalene, both dangerous, way too dangerous to be indiscriminately injecting into nearly the entire population of the entire world.
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josda1000 wrote:
Yeah exactly, that's another thing: I know I had the swine flu myself, and I got over it in a week. I had to take a couple days off from work, but that's about it. Not a big deal.
Yeah, but the Wold Health Organization claimed it to be a world-wide level 6 (the highest possible level) pandemic. Governments around the world rushed to vaccinate the entire population as quickly as possible. Now it has been exposed to be a scam, a fraud, just like everything they do. The vaccines were dangerous, rush manufactured, known to have ethl-murcury, and squalene, both dangerous, way too dangerous to be indiscriminately injecting into nearly the entire population of the entire world.
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