Glenn Beck For Dummies
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No he isn't.
Yes he is. Oh look, I can do it too. Except let me take it further...
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Nobody is talking about destroying government, just removing corruption and reverting back to an small, efficient, constitutional government.
Look at what he wrote:
Personally, I'm of the opposite end of things. Improve the nation's infrastructure through government programs, and eventually use that to reduce the size of government. Remove re-work through a unified and normalized system on a national scale. But that's what's know as a pipe dream.Let me highlight that for you in case both brain cells can't fire at once.and eventually use that to reduce the size of government. Remove re-work through a unified and normalized system on a national scale.Wait, that's not what you said, you want small efficient constitutional government...eventually use that to reduce the size of government.So, if you disagree with him, what do you want to do, increase the size of the government? Obviously. HEY EVERYONE!!! CSS WANTS MORE GOVERNMENT WASTE AND A BIGGER GOVERNMENT!!!!ragnaroknrol wrote:
Personally, I'm of the opposite end of things. Improve the nation's infrastructure through government programs, and eventually use that to reduce the size of government. Remove re-work through a unified and normalized system on a national scale.
Thats called big government deficit spending. New roads wont fix the problem of reckless government spending, it wont stop corruption.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
and eventually use that to reduce the size of government. Remove re-work through a unified and normalized system on a national scale.
Further centralizing power will make problems worse.
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-5 pts for a strawman. Attempting to equate cited examples that have been proven truthful with a fantasy in an attempt to discredit the examples. Next time just insult his mom, it has more integrity. We all know you don't have a leg to stand on.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
Personally, I'm of the opposite end of things. Improve the nation's infrastructure through government programs, and eventually use that to reduce the size of government. Remove re-work through a unified and normalized system on a national scale.
Thats called big government deficit spending. New roads wont fix the problem of reckless government spending, it wont stop corruption.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
and eventually use that to reduce the size of government. Remove re-work through a unified and normalized system on a national scale.
Further centralizing power will make problems worse.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Further centralizing power will make problems worse.
DING! Here's the herring of the day. I never said anything about centralizing power, my goal is reducing the number of people/systems doing the same damn thing and costing time, resources, and occasionally lives while they try to get their acts together. Imagine if the intelligence agencies had a single repository which linked related intelligence together? How much do you want to bet we'd have managed to stop the significant terrorist attacks of the last few decades? It wasn't for a lack of information, but because it was so separate. Of course, linking it would be it's own problem, but it's certainly possible.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Thats called big government deficit spending. New roads wont fix the problem of reckless government spending, it wont stop corruption.
Nope, it won't fix those problems, but if we had the ability to create a nationwide high speed network for government(or even public) use and could use that to reduce costs by using standardized systems for information handling we could cut down on later costs. And if we open it up to the public we could make a couple bucks off the system in usage fees. If we had standard voting systems with encryption that would stump the military and redundant backups at the local, county, state and federal levels which key off someone's validated social security information(though separate from the vote itself, it does indicate that the person has voted). We could nip a great deal of potential voting fraud in the bud AND reduce costs of voting machines by being able to replace them with a bit of standard equipment. But hey, you've obviously thought this through and found no merit I'm sure. Edit: And I'm still quite annoyed that this isn't the goal of technocrats, it seems so much more sensible to me than assuming engineers should run everything. Screw that, let's build everything so well and easy to use that even an elected official can't screw it up. Ok, another pipe dream.
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That is your ignorant and insignificant opinion. How about some hard evidence? You see, the article I posted as direct hard evidence of Glenn Beck's flip-flopping neocon spew.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Further centralizing power will make problems worse.
DING! Here's the herring of the day. I never said anything about centralizing power, my goal is reducing the number of people/systems doing the same damn thing and costing time, resources, and occasionally lives while they try to get their acts together. Imagine if the intelligence agencies had a single repository which linked related intelligence together? How much do you want to bet we'd have managed to stop the significant terrorist attacks of the last few decades? It wasn't for a lack of information, but because it was so separate. Of course, linking it would be it's own problem, but it's certainly possible.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Thats called big government deficit spending. New roads wont fix the problem of reckless government spending, it wont stop corruption.
Nope, it won't fix those problems, but if we had the ability to create a nationwide high speed network for government(or even public) use and could use that to reduce costs by using standardized systems for information handling we could cut down on later costs. And if we open it up to the public we could make a couple bucks off the system in usage fees. If we had standard voting systems with encryption that would stump the military and redundant backups at the local, county, state and federal levels which key off someone's validated social security information(though separate from the vote itself, it does indicate that the person has voted). We could nip a great deal of potential voting fraud in the bud AND reduce costs of voting machines by being able to replace them with a bit of standard equipment. But hey, you've obviously thought this through and found no merit I'm sure. Edit: And I'm still quite annoyed that this isn't the goal of technocrats, it seems so much more sensible to me than assuming engineers should run everything. Screw that, let's build everything so well and easy to use that even an elected official can't screw it up. Ok, another pipe dream.
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What part of it exactly? Creating a better system which could require less intervention, less resources, maintain effectiveness while reducing overhead? The right hand knowing what the left was doing, without three weeks of communication between five departments and thirty seven appointees? The basic structure is good, the theory is sound enough, but we could implement it far better by further integrating the system itself, and using technology to do so.
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What part of it exactly? Creating a better system which could require less intervention, less resources, maintain effectiveness while reducing overhead? The right hand knowing what the left was doing, without three weeks of communication between five departments and thirty seven appointees? The basic structure is good, the theory is sound enough, but we could implement it far better by further integrating the system itself, and using technology to do so.
Distind wrote:
What part of it exactly?
The part where you want to centralize power, increase government spending, and have special government highways and roads for government officials, where the people have to pay for it once, and then be charged again for using the roads. Here is a simple layout of government spending. This has nothing to do with bureaucratic inefficiencies. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Figures-on-government-apf-2178072020.html?x=0&.v=2[^] Here is a more detailed look. http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year2009_0.html[^] If you look, the cost of running the bureaucracy, building maintenance is ~20 billion. Transportation (roads, airports, trains, water transportation, and so on is only 100 billion. I'm sure there is a lot of waste and corruption in those departments, but infrastructure isn't the problem.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
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Distind wrote:
What part of it exactly?
The part where you want to centralize power, increase government spending, and have special government highways and roads for government officials, where the people have to pay for it once, and then be charged again for using the roads. Here is a simple layout of government spending. This has nothing to do with bureaucratic inefficiencies. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Figures-on-government-apf-2178072020.html?x=0&.v=2[^] Here is a more detailed look. http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year2009_0.html[^] If you look, the cost of running the bureaucracy, building maintenance is ~20 billion. Transportation (roads, airports, trains, water transportation, and so on is only 100 billion. I'm sure there is a lot of waste and corruption in those departments, but infrastructure isn't the problem.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
Bucko, the monetary unit of this country is effectively based on the people's belief that the country will maintain itself and continue to pay it's bills. What better measure is there than improving the quality of government, showing that people SHOULD have faith in it, that it CAN manage it's obligations, and that it WILL be able to keep up with the times to form a stepping stone towards paying off the nation's debt. I'll also note, my choices here are far from just intended as cost reducing measures, but rather to improve the *warning buzzword ahead* agility of the government when attempting to respond to something. Anything from detecting fraud and responding to crime, to sharing intelligence and disaster relief. I don't aim to make everything cheaper, I'm aiming to make everything it does better. Once you can actually do your job right the first time, you can start fixing the things you never should have done in the first place.
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Glenn Beck is being characterized by the establishment as the leader of the freedom movement and yet a closer analysis of his ideology reveals that Beck is nothing more than a fake revolutionary who has supported and is pushing policies that are diametrically opposed to those embraced by true constitutionalists. Beck and Fox News have hijacked the patriot movement and are leading conservatives and libertarians down a meaningless partisan rabbit hole in a clear attempt to neutralize genuine opposition to the big government agenda of the Obama administration. http://www.infowars.com/glenn-beck-for-dummies/[^]
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Glenn Beck is being characterized by the establishment as the leader of the freedom movement
Odd you should think because most of the stuff ive read seems to be characterising Glen Beck as a cunt
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Bucko, the monetary unit of this country is effectively based on the people's belief that the country will maintain itself and continue to pay it's bills. What better measure is there than improving the quality of government, showing that people SHOULD have faith in it, that it CAN manage it's obligations, and that it WILL be able to keep up with the times to form a stepping stone towards paying off the nation's debt. I'll also note, my choices here are far from just intended as cost reducing measures, but rather to improve the *warning buzzword ahead* agility of the government when attempting to respond to something. Anything from detecting fraud and responding to crime, to sharing intelligence and disaster relief. I don't aim to make everything cheaper, I'm aiming to make everything it does better. Once you can actually do your job right the first time, you can start fixing the things you never should have done in the first place.
You know, I had a post all ready to go about how spending money on infrastructure is never wasteful, but I had to go. CSS won't get it, he cahnges what you say to make it sound like you want something you don't and attacks that instead of dealing with what you said. The moment you beat him anyway, he resorts to insulting you. Seriously, I think Ian was on to something when it came to programming his behavior as if it was a bot.
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You know, I had a post all ready to go about how spending money on infrastructure is never wasteful, but I had to go. CSS won't get it, he cahnges what you say to make it sound like you want something you don't and attacks that instead of dealing with what you said. The moment you beat him anyway, he resorts to insulting you. Seriously, I think Ian was on to something when it came to programming his behavior as if it was a bot.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Seriously, I think Ian was on to something when it came to programming his behavior as if it was a bot.
Hey, I've written eggdrop-style bots on IRC (Wow, I feel old)... I'm good at identifying their behavior.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
Seriously, I think Ian was on to something when it came to programming his behavior as if it was a bot.
Hey, I've written eggdrop-style bots on IRC (Wow, I feel old)... I'm good at identifying their behavior.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
He does vary it up though. Sometimes he insults your mom, sometimes he finds some word that might set you off and calls it. Sometimes he just states the opposite and thinks that because arguing with him is like arguing with God that will be enough.
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He does vary it up though. Sometimes he insults your mom, sometimes he finds some word that might set you off and calls it. Sometimes he just states the opposite and thinks that because arguing with him is like arguing with God that will be enough.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
thinks that because arguing with him is like arguing with God that will be enough
See, I kind of like that strategy. Being a devout atheist (I know, the adjective doesn't make sense, but I just think the phrase is funny), I can just claim that CSS no longer exists. I mean, if only it were that easy.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
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You know, I had a post all ready to go about how spending money on infrastructure is never wasteful, but I had to go. CSS won't get it, he cahnges what you say to make it sound like you want something you don't and attacks that instead of dealing with what you said. The moment you beat him anyway, he resorts to insulting you. Seriously, I think Ian was on to something when it came to programming his behavior as if it was a bot.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
You know, I had a post all ready to go about how spending money on infrastructure is never wasteful, but I had to go.
It's funny though, I have a few republicans who always pester me with 'the government can't make jobs/money/economic advancement' and they can never really answer where the country would be without a national highway system. Some people have some remarkable blinders on how much a powerful and effective national government can accomplish for the lives of every single on of it's citizens. And it's not always bad, if we could stop politicking pointlessly, stop blindly screaming when the other side does something, and actually analyze the situations we could manage much more, with far less, even if there is an upfront cost to it. But, again, I'm dreaming. That said, I'm thinking of running for the house on the platform that I'm a democrat who can manhandle any republican currently in office. Though I wonder about the effectiveness of the approach, the reactions to the wuss out of democrats so far seems like it may work.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
You know, I had a post all ready to go about how spending money on infrastructure is never wasteful, but I had to go.
It's funny though, I have a few republicans who always pester me with 'the government can't make jobs/money/economic advancement' and they can never really answer where the country would be without a national highway system. Some people have some remarkable blinders on how much a powerful and effective national government can accomplish for the lives of every single on of it's citizens. And it's not always bad, if we could stop politicking pointlessly, stop blindly screaming when the other side does something, and actually analyze the situations we could manage much more, with far less, even if there is an upfront cost to it. But, again, I'm dreaming. That said, I'm thinking of running for the house on the platform that I'm a democrat who can manhandle any republican currently in office. Though I wonder about the effectiveness of the approach, the reactions to the wuss out of democrats so far seems like it may work.
I would move there to vote for you. I'd also kiss you. But you'd have to manhandle one of them for the kiss. I wish I could find that post. You get up, your clock set to the standard time. You take a shower, the water is treated by your local government and held to standards done by (X agency), brush teeth (toothpaste approved by another) and get in your car. The radio tells you traffic (monitored by DOT) and the radio is on an FCC approved band. You drive in a car up to federal crash standards, get to work and are kept in a safe work condition by OSHA, etc.. I think it was like 30+ government agencies we don't pay attention to that are all working quietly behind the scenes to keep us safe and secure, and yet boneheads want to get rid of them. And the Dems are like a 45 yr old virgin with Megan Fox. They really want to do something, but they don't know where to start and are too busy trying not to offend her to notice she's waiting for them to get to work.