Shadow Government
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
Oh, by the way, calling something a false flag op doesn't work when it is YOUR OWN FREAKING CITIZENS.
Did you forget ? All of this was entirely so they could persecute Christians. I guess 9/11 was a dumb idea, because it created focus on Muslims. Who are, according to CSS, warlike people, even though it was the US government who made them look that way.
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I missed the ability to persecute Christians?! DAMMIT!!!! I was so hoping to ask them why sex is so bad while pointing at Songs of Soloman...
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josda1000 wrote:
What do you mean, so? What's your point? I was just stating a fact. I don't like it, but it's the truth, and you apparently agree with me.
I mean that non Christians 'persecuting' Christians is nothing new, nothing exciting, and not a big deal when they just call them names.
josda1000 wrote:
Not all of them, though. Glad to see you agree.
Not all, no. But, just like Muslims are judged by the most extreme element, non Christians hear Christian and they think of the Phelps family, and people who bomb abortion clinics, and Oklahoma City. That's just natural.
josda1000 wrote:
Agreed again. What's your point here?
In America, being a Christian means being a Republican, from what I can tell. CSS is sure tying those things together.
josda1000 wrote:
And I'd agree with him, to an extent. A lot of people (not all people) do think that being right-wing is being extremist, and means you're going to revolt.
The big issue, is the claim that the government is running 'black ops' to make this so.
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Christian Graus wrote:
In America, being a Christian means being a Republican, from what I can tell. CSS is sure tying those things together.
Yeah I don't agree with him on that, I mean my mother and her whole side were Catholics, and Democrats.
Christian Graus wrote:
The big issue, is the claim that the government is running 'black ops' to make this so.
I'm not sure about this either, though it is strange to see what can be seen in the administration right now.
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josda1000 wrote:
What do you mean, so? What's your point? I was just stating a fact. I don't like it, but it's the truth, and you apparently agree with me.
I mean that non Christians 'persecuting' Christians is nothing new, nothing exciting, and not a big deal when they just call them names.
josda1000 wrote:
Not all of them, though. Glad to see you agree.
Not all, no. But, just like Muslims are judged by the most extreme element, non Christians hear Christian and they think of the Phelps family, and people who bomb abortion clinics, and Oklahoma City. That's just natural.
josda1000 wrote:
Agreed again. What's your point here?
In America, being a Christian means being a Republican, from what I can tell. CSS is sure tying those things together.
josda1000 wrote:
And I'd agree with him, to an extent. A lot of people (not all people) do think that being right-wing is being extremist, and means you're going to revolt.
The big issue, is the claim that the government is running 'black ops' to make this so.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
In America, being a Christian means being a Republican, from what I can tell.
Nah. But being a republican close to requires being christian from th way they treat the people around them. (ie, if you are one of those "blasphemors" they don't want you) I know some good christians. They are one of the minorities though. You have the uncaring majority. The say they are christian, go to the high holidays, and generally try not to screw with anyone else. They may or may not actually be a member of their church in how they view the world, but just follow along. You have the fire and brimstone minority. I've dealt with Phelps, he's a self-important jerk and proving him wrong only makes him believe he is right even more. You have the "if they ain't christian, we should convert or kill them" group. These guys are pretty much nuts. You have the "life is sacred, and I will kill anyone that takes it" group. Yea, they are small, but they are dangerous. You have the really and truly great christians. They live how they preach (if they even preach) Have a moral code and generally are good people to be friends with. They may be worried about your soul, but they won't push you or even bug you, they will help you and are genuine in their caring. They are also quiet. Just like with radical Islam, the small vocal minority is screwing it up for the average schmuck trying not to get sent to hell and just moving along in their life or the really and truly great people that should be shown off instead of drowned out by a bunch of blow hards.
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Yea, I always laugh at this one. My dad did start his own business. Of course he also had friends that allowed him to. Had he not had those friends, the suits in charge would never have let him start it. To start a business you need capital. product. planning. Almost no one can manage all 3 without help from the outside. The #4 was laughable at best. Government jobs are drying up now more than private sector. The private sector already adjusted. Those that are in the public sector are getting hit now because the businesses all decided to cut spending by firing people that were paying taxes. Less taxes means less money.. and well, you mentioned the missing legs already.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Almost no one can manage all 3 without help from the outside.
Agreed, you need capital and a little help. But the option is still there and valid.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Government jobs are drying up now more than private sector. The private sector already adjusted.
I'm not sure about this, though I hope you're right. If you're right I'll take it back. Just cite a couple sources making your case on it.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
Almost no one can manage all 3 without help from the outside.
Agreed, you need capital and a little help. But the option is still there and valid.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Government jobs are drying up now more than private sector. The private sector already adjusted.
I'm not sure about this, though I hope you're right. If you're right I'll take it back. Just cite a couple sources making your case on it.
josda1000 wrote:
Agreed, you need capital and a little help. But the option is still there and valid.
Try being hispanic with no collatoral. The option is NOT there. No one will invest or offer a loan to you in certain places. Hell, try being Hispanic and apply for jobs in Iowa. I'll give you a hint. Same resume to a place, only difference was the name Joe Smith vs my real name. SAME PHONE NUMBER. Guess who got a call about an interview. Go on. Oh, some people would like to claim the chance is there for every person, but it isn't. The minorities have less opportunities. It may be blatent racism, or it could just be a lack of education, or a lack of local resources. Whatever you you blame it on, it is still an issue.
josda1000 wrote:
I'm not sure about this, though I hope you're right. If you're right I'll take it back. Just cite a couple sources making your case on it.
I don't need to cite a couple of sources. Go to your local paper and see how much the local universities have cut this year. Heck, the state considered one of the most recession-proof is Iowa. Not much industry to tank, housing market was stable even during the bubble, and everyone needs corn. They are looking at ways to trim a few hundred million from the state budget and jobs are pretty much all they can kill without doing something stupid. Look at the Des Moines Register if you want. Wisconsin, Illinois, (heck Chicago is hurting bad), all are not in good shape.
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Christian Graus wrote:
In America, being a Christian means being a Republican, from what I can tell.
Nah. But being a republican close to requires being christian from th way they treat the people around them. (ie, if you are one of those "blasphemors" they don't want you) I know some good christians. They are one of the minorities though. You have the uncaring majority. The say they are christian, go to the high holidays, and generally try not to screw with anyone else. They may or may not actually be a member of their church in how they view the world, but just follow along. You have the fire and brimstone minority. I've dealt with Phelps, he's a self-important jerk and proving him wrong only makes him believe he is right even more. You have the "if they ain't christian, we should convert or kill them" group. These guys are pretty much nuts. You have the "life is sacred, and I will kill anyone that takes it" group. Yea, they are small, but they are dangerous. You have the really and truly great christians. They live how they preach (if they even preach) Have a moral code and generally are good people to be friends with. They may be worried about your soul, but they won't push you or even bug you, they will help you and are genuine in their caring. They are also quiet. Just like with radical Islam, the small vocal minority is screwing it up for the average schmuck trying not to get sent to hell and just moving along in their life or the really and truly great people that should be shown off instead of drowned out by a bunch of blow hards.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
I've dealt with Phelps
How did that come about ? :P
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
I've dealt with Phelps
How did that come about ? :P
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Iowa State University. Before he really got big he came here 2 times a year to "minister" It ended up being him vs 2-3 theology majors and me and him getting close to being violent. I used to clear my afternoons just to spar with him. Until he stopped coming my Senior year. The man has decent charisma. He can twist stuff fairly well but lacks the ability to follow things logically once he has established a scenario. Saying it is okay to beat your wife if she is disrespectful, pointing to her and being in front of 2 guys the size of refridgerators that see she has a black eye wasn't the most brilliant thing he's done.
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Iowa State University. Before he really got big he came here 2 times a year to "minister" It ended up being him vs 2-3 theology majors and me and him getting close to being violent. I used to clear my afternoons just to spar with him. Until he stopped coming my Senior year. The man has decent charisma. He can twist stuff fairly well but lacks the ability to follow things logically once he has established a scenario. Saying it is okay to beat your wife if she is disrespectful, pointing to her and being in front of 2 guys the size of refridgerators that see she has a black eye wasn't the most brilliant thing he's done.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Saying it is okay to beat your wife if she is disrespectful, pointing to her and being in front of 2 guys the size of refridgerators that see she has a black eye wasn't the most brilliant thing he's done.
Wow. Yes, the guy is plainly an ass, he is plainly a master of groupthink and of controlling the debate within his own family. And of thinking that because he can sound convincing amongst believers, he is obviously right. Sounds a lot like someone who posts around here a bit....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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josda1000 wrote:
Option 3: Start your own business.
This one always bothers me. Start it with what exactly? There are only a handful of things the average person can do without any given equipment or floor space and a number of the profitable ones are fairly illegal. You don't have any money, you don't have any thing marketable, you can't get a job, so how exactly do you start your own business?
Distind wrote:
You don't have any money, you don't have any thing marketable, you can't get a job, so how exactly do you start your own business?
I wrote a computer program.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
Saying it is okay to beat your wife if she is disrespectful, pointing to her and being in front of 2 guys the size of refridgerators that see she has a black eye wasn't the most brilliant thing he's done.
Wow. Yes, the guy is plainly an ass, he is plainly a master of groupthink and of controlling the debate within his own family. And of thinking that because he can sound convincing amongst believers, he is obviously right. Sounds a lot like someone who posts around here a bit....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I was thinking that, actually. FYI: One of those guys watched his dad beat his mom nearly to death. He flipped out when Phelps did that and she wasn't the only one with a black eye.
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josda1000 wrote:
Agreed, you need capital and a little help. But the option is still there and valid.
Try being hispanic with no collatoral. The option is NOT there. No one will invest or offer a loan to you in certain places. Hell, try being Hispanic and apply for jobs in Iowa. I'll give you a hint. Same resume to a place, only difference was the name Joe Smith vs my real name. SAME PHONE NUMBER. Guess who got a call about an interview. Go on. Oh, some people would like to claim the chance is there for every person, but it isn't. The minorities have less opportunities. It may be blatent racism, or it could just be a lack of education, or a lack of local resources. Whatever you you blame it on, it is still an issue.
josda1000 wrote:
I'm not sure about this, though I hope you're right. If you're right I'll take it back. Just cite a couple sources making your case on it.
I don't need to cite a couple of sources. Go to your local paper and see how much the local universities have cut this year. Heck, the state considered one of the most recession-proof is Iowa. Not much industry to tank, housing market was stable even during the bubble, and everyone needs corn. They are looking at ways to trim a few hundred million from the state budget and jobs are pretty much all they can kill without doing something stupid. Look at the Des Moines Register if you want. Wisconsin, Illinois, (heck Chicago is hurting bad), all are not in good shape.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
The option is NOT there. No one will invest or offer a loan to you in certain places. Hell, try being Hispanic and apply for jobs in Iowa. I'll give you a hint. Same resume to a place, only difference was the name Joe Smith vs my real name. SAME PHONE NUMBER. Guess who got a call about an interview. Go on.
First, I live in Massachusetts. We have plenty of shop owners that are black, white, latino, etc. Iowa, I've never been there, but it sounds that they need to wake up a bit. No offense.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Oh, some people would like to claim the chance is there for every person, but it isn't. The minorities have less opportunities. It may be blatent racism, or it could just be a lack of education, or a lack of local resources. Whatever you you blame it on, it is still an issue.
I won't deny that it's an issue, I realize this. However, for the most part, you definitely don't find that kind of problem on this side of the continent. There is racism here and there, don't get me wrong. But I do see that a lot of people have made something of themselves, mostly based on merit.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
I don't need to cite a couple of sources. Go to your local paper and see how much the local universities have cut this year. Heck, the state considered one of the most recession-proof is Iowa. Not much industry to tank, housing market was stable even during the bubble, and everyone needs corn. They are looking at ways to trim a few hundred million from the state budget and jobs are pretty much all they can kill without doing something stupid. Look at the Des Moines Register if you want. Wisconsin, Illinois, (heck Chicago is hurting bad), all are not in good shape.
Fair point. However, I thought we were talking about the federal debt here, and how it was applied by the private sector adjusting. I don't really think that the people out in California would agree. Unemployment is still around 10% U3, U6 is around 20%. So as I say, please cite a few sources. You say that Iowa never really had to adjust... so why would you even mention Iowa? Massachusetts never really felt much of a burden (though the state itself is hurting, the private sector here isn't really.)
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Distind wrote:
You don't have any money, you don't have any thing marketable, you can't get a job, so how exactly do you start your own business?
I wrote a computer program.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Distind wrote:
You don't have any money, you don't have any thing marketable, you can't get a job, so how exactly do you start your own business?
I wrote a computer program.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I wrote a computer program
That would be something marketable. ;)
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
The option is NOT there. No one will invest or offer a loan to you in certain places. Hell, try being Hispanic and apply for jobs in Iowa. I'll give you a hint. Same resume to a place, only difference was the name Joe Smith vs my real name. SAME PHONE NUMBER. Guess who got a call about an interview. Go on.
First, I live in Massachusetts. We have plenty of shop owners that are black, white, latino, etc. Iowa, I've never been there, but it sounds that they need to wake up a bit. No offense.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Oh, some people would like to claim the chance is there for every person, but it isn't. The minorities have less opportunities. It may be blatent racism, or it could just be a lack of education, or a lack of local resources. Whatever you you blame it on, it is still an issue.
I won't deny that it's an issue, I realize this. However, for the most part, you definitely don't find that kind of problem on this side of the continent. There is racism here and there, don't get me wrong. But I do see that a lot of people have made something of themselves, mostly based on merit.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
I don't need to cite a couple of sources. Go to your local paper and see how much the local universities have cut this year. Heck, the state considered one of the most recession-proof is Iowa. Not much industry to tank, housing market was stable even during the bubble, and everyone needs corn. They are looking at ways to trim a few hundred million from the state budget and jobs are pretty much all they can kill without doing something stupid. Look at the Des Moines Register if you want. Wisconsin, Illinois, (heck Chicago is hurting bad), all are not in good shape.
Fair point. However, I thought we were talking about the federal debt here, and how it was applied by the private sector adjusting. I don't really think that the people out in California would agree. Unemployment is still around 10% U3, U6 is around 20%. So as I say, please cite a few sources. You say that Iowa never really had to adjust... so why would you even mention Iowa? Massachusetts never really felt much of a burden (though the state itself is hurting, the private sector here isn't really.)
I love how people will claim because there are people that are minorities in small business they obviously were never discriminated against. How about you go ask them if they had to jump through more hoops, had less chances and still managed to get ahead before figuring they were fine? And yes, Iowa would be pretty backwards in some ways. But it wasn't like I could move at the time. I was talking about how government jobs aren't a safe haven for people anymore. Every level of government has been hit, but the state is the most hit of late. And when I said adjusted I meant that most of the companies have laid off a ton of people to "trim" and now those people are not making money, which is killing those local governments. I might not have explained myself very well.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Option 1: Work for the local megacorp at slave wages. Option 2: Starve, because no one else is hiring.
Option 3: Start your own business. Option 4: Work for the government, because they have taken up a big part of the private sector. Option 5: Work for a small business/work under the table. There's always more than two solutions, though most people will only think of two. The two party system really works to make people think like this.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Not in the era of mass production, where you get more efficient the larger you get. Just look at Walmart, for an example of one on its way up.
Great example of how the bigger you get, the less quality you get. It's not about efficiency, it's about prices being low because quality is low.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Then we have Microsoft, who would be a complete monopoly instead of a partial monopoly, if not for government intervention (Socialism).
I think that's communism specifically... don't call me on it though.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
The auto companies are huge conglomerates, and would probably be playing slave wages if not for the labor unions (Socialism)
This is definitely communism. Government intervention to this degree is communism.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
This is what capitalism leads to... And this is where some amount of socialism (Government regulation) is necessary to preserve fairness.
This shouldn't have happened in a free society at all. Capitalism is different from corporatism, and that's what we have, not capitalism. The free market is no longer at work.
josda1000 wrote:
Option 3: Start your own business.
Not always an option, if the big guys control the market. We're talking capitalism taken to extremes here.
josda1000 wrote:
Option 4: Work for the government, because they have taken up a big part of the private sector.
Again, extreme capitalism means no government involvement, so this is off the table.
josda1000 wrote:
Option 5: Work for a small business/work under the table.
So part of the only alternative is illegal? Isn't that a problem? :)
josda1000 wrote:
Great example of how the bigger you get, the less quality you get. It's not about efficiency, it's about prices being low because quality is low.
Sure, quality suffers, but does that stop them from dominating the market? Look at the control they have over the economy...
josda1000 wrote:
This shouldn't have happened in a free society at all. Capitalism is different from corporatism, and that's what we have, not capitalism. The free market is no longer at work.
That's the point I'm getting at... What's to stop this from happening in a 100% capitalist society? What's to stop capitalism from becoming corporatism? Again, I'm not trying to say capitalism is bad, obviously... Just saying that it needs a little control (socialism) to keep a level playing field.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
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I love how people will claim because there are people that are minorities in small business they obviously were never discriminated against. How about you go ask them if they had to jump through more hoops, had less chances and still managed to get ahead before figuring they were fine? And yes, Iowa would be pretty backwards in some ways. But it wasn't like I could move at the time. I was talking about how government jobs aren't a safe haven for people anymore. Every level of government has been hit, but the state is the most hit of late. And when I said adjusted I meant that most of the companies have laid off a ton of people to "trim" and now those people are not making money, which is killing those local governments. I might not have explained myself very well.
Wow, take more offense, will you? Take it easy, I'm not trying to offend you. I'm just trying to go through all of this logically, to the best of both our abilities.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
I love how people will claim because there are people that are minorities in small business they obviously were never discriminated against.
I never said that they "were never discriminated against". For that matter, I'm a white male who has been discriminated against for being too uptight and arrogant, though I don't think of myself as such a person at all.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
And yes, Iowa would be pretty backwards in some ways. But it wasn't like I could move at the time.
I'm not saying you could, I'm just saying that the possibility is out there if you try hard and work at it. That's all it is.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Every level of government has been hit, but the state is the most hit of late.
When it comes to jobs (within government), I could agree with you. But I think that the federal deficit is the worst figure we have right now, next to California's unemployment rate.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
And when I said adjusted I meant that most of the companies have laid off a ton of people to "trim" and now those people are not making money, which is killing those local governments.
I think what's killing the local governments is bad budgeting. Usually, it's overspending that kills any government, and when you don't rake in a normal amount of taxes, you're going to really get rocked, especially if you don't have that surplus. Of course it depends town to town, so I can't be certain. This is such a sketchy topic because local government is so radically different between populations.
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Same here. I wrote a really simple budgeting program. I need to keep working at it though... I have too many bugs with my MFC code. I just need more duct tape.
I wrote a WPF program that lets veterinarians educate their clients, and I paid my house off. I do not have any formal training as a programmer, so I essentially did that for the price of a computer and an internet connection. I mean, I work as a developer in my day job, I had experience that helped me, too, but all of it came from me applying myself to what I wanted to become.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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josda1000 wrote:
Option 3: Start your own business.
Not always an option, if the big guys control the market. We're talking capitalism taken to extremes here.
josda1000 wrote:
Option 4: Work for the government, because they have taken up a big part of the private sector.
Again, extreme capitalism means no government involvement, so this is off the table.
josda1000 wrote:
Option 5: Work for a small business/work under the table.
So part of the only alternative is illegal? Isn't that a problem? :)
josda1000 wrote:
Great example of how the bigger you get, the less quality you get. It's not about efficiency, it's about prices being low because quality is low.
Sure, quality suffers, but does that stop them from dominating the market? Look at the control they have over the economy...
josda1000 wrote:
This shouldn't have happened in a free society at all. Capitalism is different from corporatism, and that's what we have, not capitalism. The free market is no longer at work.
That's the point I'm getting at... What's to stop this from happening in a 100% capitalist society? What's to stop capitalism from becoming corporatism? Again, I'm not trying to say capitalism is bad, obviously... Just saying that it needs a little control (socialism) to keep a level playing field.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
Oh, so we're talking straight capitalism? Truly free markets? Honestly? Let's go:
Ian Shlasko wrote:
josda1000 wrote: Option 3: Start your own business. Not always an option, if the big guys control the market. We're talking capitalism taken to extremes here.
They can't control the market, if there's no regulation. I could start a business, anytime, with my money (if I have the money). If my product is better, then it gets bought by people that recognize it. I'll stay in business, though I'll only slowly expand. I may not "control" the market, but I'll be in business, and be able to get by. This is what happens with small business. This is ALWAYS an option in a free market, even if there's "a monopoly". It's all about competition, guts, determination, and quality.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Option 4: Work for the government, because they have taken up a big part of the private sector. Again, extreme capitalism means no government involvement, so this is off the table.
Do you mean corporatism or capitalism? I hope you're not getting your terminology confused. Remember, capitalism is a free market, corporatism is where there's government intervention, weeding out small business.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Option 5: Work for a small business/work under the table. So part of the only alternative is illegal? Isn't that a problem? Smile
Well... now if there's no government involvement, maybe they'll never find out! lol Or, more likely, there will be little to no reporting of tax revenue/profit at all anyway, so this may be totally off the table anyway.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Sure, quality suffers, but does that stop them from dominating the market? Look at the control they have over the economy...
Agreed. The thing is, if people are willing to sacrifice that quality that comes normally from a small business, so be it. It's up to the consumer in the long run. I can agree with this.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
That's the point I'm getting at... What's to stop this from happening in a 100% capitalist society? What's to stop capitalism from becoming corporatism?
Stopping it is government, actually. The more regulation you put on a small business (income tax, sales tax, minimum wage
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I was thinking that, actually. FYI: One of those guys watched his dad beat his mom nearly to death. He flipped out when Phelps did that and she wasn't the only one with a black eye.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
He flipped out when Phelps did that and she wasn't the only one with a black eye.
See, I'd pay money to see that....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Oh, so we're talking straight capitalism? Truly free markets? Honestly? Let's go:
Ian Shlasko wrote:
josda1000 wrote: Option 3: Start your own business. Not always an option, if the big guys control the market. We're talking capitalism taken to extremes here.
They can't control the market, if there's no regulation. I could start a business, anytime, with my money (if I have the money). If my product is better, then it gets bought by people that recognize it. I'll stay in business, though I'll only slowly expand. I may not "control" the market, but I'll be in business, and be able to get by. This is what happens with small business. This is ALWAYS an option in a free market, even if there's "a monopoly". It's all about competition, guts, determination, and quality.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Option 4: Work for the government, because they have taken up a big part of the private sector. Again, extreme capitalism means no government involvement, so this is off the table.
Do you mean corporatism or capitalism? I hope you're not getting your terminology confused. Remember, capitalism is a free market, corporatism is where there's government intervention, weeding out small business.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Option 5: Work for a small business/work under the table. So part of the only alternative is illegal? Isn't that a problem? Smile
Well... now if there's no government involvement, maybe they'll never find out! lol Or, more likely, there will be little to no reporting of tax revenue/profit at all anyway, so this may be totally off the table anyway.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Sure, quality suffers, but does that stop them from dominating the market? Look at the control they have over the economy...
Agreed. The thing is, if people are willing to sacrifice that quality that comes normally from a small business, so be it. It's up to the consumer in the long run. I can agree with this.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
That's the point I'm getting at... What's to stop this from happening in a 100% capitalist society? What's to stop capitalism from becoming corporatism?
Stopping it is government, actually. The more regulation you put on a small business (income tax, sales tax, minimum wage
josda1000 wrote:
It's all about competition, guts, determination, and quality.
I worked for a small company, all we did was melt cooking chocolate and add flavouring. We spent what little startup we had on good looking packaging, and the company was a decent success. You can easily support yourself by feeding a niche that the big boys can't or won't bother with.
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