Russia Today (RT): Conspiracy theories arise from underpants bomber story
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He was let on the plane WITHOUT a passport. Eyewitness reports say he was accompanied by a guy in a business suit, and a guy was video taping him the entire flight. The reaction from this is widespread expansion of the use of full body scanners. Micheal Chirdoff (former head of homeland security) has investments in the industry which indicates he knew the government would be purchasing tons of the units in the future. Also they are going into Yemen. This type of (police-state security/military/fear-mongering/unpopular legislation) expansion is continue and accelerate by using fear. Question is who is really the threat? It is our own government tyrannically abusing Americans the selectively other nations.
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Wow - you wrote this yourself. I am impressed that you took the time to have a coherent thought of your own. I'm not saying I believe it, but at least you're discussing something. Fear has always been used by the US media to control people, it's nothing new.
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The basic cause of all conspiracy theories is people who are fearful of how random life is, and would rather believe that SOMEONE is in control, even if it's for evil.
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Christian Graus wrote:
The basic cause of all conspiracy theories is people who are fearful of how random life is, and would rather believe that SOMEONE is in control, even if it's for evil.
Kind of like religion. :doh:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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The basic cause of all conspiracy theories is people who are fearful of how random life is, and would rather believe that SOMEONE is in control, even if it's for evil.
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Every event in history IS a conspiracy. It's not about me believing it. It's a fact. Some few or many people come up with a plan, and depending on how much power these people have, they try to gain support or not for this plan. Revolutions are also conspiracies. Since revolutions usually start with normal citizens and don't have much power, they need to gain support from other like-minded individuals. The same can be said for bankers. They have enough power for themselves because of the money they have, so they don't need a lot of political power to just buy a politician. It really is this simple. It has to do with the mind. Yes, these ideas are bred randomly in different people, but they need support for whatever cause they have. Hence: conspiracy.
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Wow - you wrote this yourself. I am impressed that you took the time to have a coherent thought of your own. I'm not saying I believe it, but at least you're discussing something. Fear has always been used by the US media to control people, it's nothing new.
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Yeah, keep the American public in panic, while keeping the truth in foreign media. Notice that this was found in Russia Today. Meaning, not in America. Glad you're keeping track.
My first night in the USA, I was in Seattle and I turned on the TV. It was CNN, and the show was a woman claiming that someone the police had not arrested, had obviously kidnapped some girl, and was molesting children as we spoke. I remember sitting there with my jaw on the ground, astounded that this show was legal, and that the climate of fear it promoted, passed as a news show.
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Every event in history IS a conspiracy. It's not about me believing it. It's a fact. Some few or many people come up with a plan, and depending on how much power these people have, they try to gain support or not for this plan. Revolutions are also conspiracies. Since revolutions usually start with normal citizens and don't have much power, they need to gain support from other like-minded individuals. The same can be said for bankers. They have enough power for themselves because of the money they have, so they don't need a lot of political power to just buy a politician. It really is this simple. It has to do with the mind. Yes, these ideas are bred randomly in different people, but they need support for whatever cause they have. Hence: conspiracy.
It is amazing how mentally castrated CG is, simple common sense seems to have escaped him.
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Christian Graus wrote:
The basic cause of all conspiracy theories is people who are fearful of how random life is, and would rather believe that SOMEONE is in control, even if it's for evil.
Kind of like religion. :doh:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
ROTFL !!! Yes, I guess that some religions, the ones without any proof, operate on a similar theory.
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Every event in history IS a conspiracy. It's not about me believing it. It's a fact. Some few or many people come up with a plan, and depending on how much power these people have, they try to gain support or not for this plan. Revolutions are also conspiracies. Since revolutions usually start with normal citizens and don't have much power, they need to gain support from other like-minded individuals. The same can be said for bankers. They have enough power for themselves because of the money they have, so they don't need a lot of political power to just buy a politician. It really is this simple. It has to do with the mind. Yes, these ideas are bred randomly in different people, but they need support for whatever cause they have. Hence: conspiracy.
Well, that's an interesting theory, and i can see that it's a valid word game. I don't see how it changes what I wrote tho.
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Wow - you wrote this yourself. I am impressed that you took the time to have a coherent thought of your own. I'm not saying I believe it, but at least you're discussing something. Fear has always been used by the US media to control people, it's nothing new.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Fear has always been used by the US media to control people, it's nothing new.
Oh is that right? I had no idea :rolleyes:
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ROTFL !!! Yes, I guess that some religions, the ones without any proof, operate on a similar theory.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, I guess that some religions, the ones without any proof, operate on a similar theory.
Climate Cultists operate on that theory.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, I guess that some religions, the ones without any proof, operate on a similar theory.
Climate Cultists operate on that theory.
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Your media operates on that theory. So what ? What does that prove ? The people who warn you that a hurricane is coming, or that it's bushfire season, operate on the same theory. Because that's how your media works. Does that prove they are all lying ?
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My first night in the USA, I was in Seattle and I turned on the TV. It was CNN, and the show was a woman claiming that someone the police had not arrested, had obviously kidnapped some girl, and was molesting children as we spoke. I remember sitting there with my jaw on the ground, astounded that this show was legal, and that the climate of fear it promoted, passed as a news show.
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Yeah it's absolutely ridiculous. My mother is always in fear now, mostly because she watches the news every single day when she gets up and when she has dinner. It's just stupid. My father reads the newspaper, and that's not much better. I've finished doing such things, and I've created my own "news" lol I figure, I have to be a little better, if only entertaining, and possibly good for a laugh. I don't care how I'm perceived, but I know I won't watch such trash as CNN, as you've pointed out.
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Well, that's an interesting theory, and i can see that it's a valid word game. I don't see how it changes what I wrote tho.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I don't see how it changes what I wrote tho.
Let's get one thing straight: I'm not trying to change what you wrote. I hope to clarify what you wrote, though. You have to understand that a "conspiracy theory" is the potential idea that people are trying to change the course of history. A conspiracy is the very idea that people are collaborating to bring about change.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, that's an interesting theory, and i can see that it's a valid word game.
All you're trying to do here is write me off. If you're unresponsive and won't open your mind to the idea that things are hitting the fan, just say so. It's ok. I won't put you down. It's not a word game. It's fact. Look up the definition of conspiracy. Read history. It's right in front of your face and you're not open to seeing it, a very simple idea.
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ROTFL !!! Yes, I guess that some religions, the ones without any proof, operate on a similar theory.
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Christian Graus wrote:
the ones without any proof
Ahem. Not to open Pandora's Box , but it seems to me that the defining element of ANY religion is it's reliance on the faith of it's adherents. Faith is supposed to transcend proof and render it unnecessary. Anyone claiming 'proof' of their religion's validity should be prepared to back it up prove their claim in a non-religious setting. And as I recall, certain religions have had a rough time in court when even trying to qualify as a religion, as opposed to a cult.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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Christian Graus wrote:
the ones without any proof
Ahem. Not to open Pandora's Box , but it seems to me that the defining element of ANY religion is it's reliance on the faith of it's adherents. Faith is supposed to transcend proof and render it unnecessary. Anyone claiming 'proof' of their religion's validity should be prepared to back it up prove their claim in a non-religious setting. And as I recall, certain religions have had a rough time in court when even trying to qualify as a religion, as opposed to a cult.
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LunaticFringe wrote:
Faith is supposed to transcend proof and render it unnecessary.
Amusingly, the bible says the opposite.
LunaticFringe wrote:
And as I recall, certain religions have had a rough time in court when even trying to qualify as a religion, as opposed to a cult.
Probably. But that's a human definition. It matters only in stopping groups that control and harm people.
LunaticFringe wrote:
Anyone claiming 'proof' of their religion's validity should be prepared to back it up prove their claim in a non-religious setting.
How can God prove Himself in a non religious way ? Why does His refusal to offer the proof that we may define, prove that He offers no proof at all ?
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Yeah it's absolutely ridiculous. My mother is always in fear now, mostly because she watches the news every single day when she gets up and when she has dinner. It's just stupid. My father reads the newspaper, and that's not much better. I've finished doing such things, and I've created my own "news" lol I figure, I have to be a little better, if only entertaining, and possibly good for a laugh. I don't care how I'm perceived, but I know I won't watch such trash as CNN, as you've pointed out.
Yeah, my mother is the same. I think that some people feel better in some perverse way to feel that someone is out to get them. Which brings us back to conspiracy theories.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I don't see how it changes what I wrote tho.
Let's get one thing straight: I'm not trying to change what you wrote. I hope to clarify what you wrote, though. You have to understand that a "conspiracy theory" is the potential idea that people are trying to change the course of history. A conspiracy is the very idea that people are collaborating to bring about change.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, that's an interesting theory, and i can see that it's a valid word game.
All you're trying to do here is write me off. If you're unresponsive and won't open your mind to the idea that things are hitting the fan, just say so. It's ok. I won't put you down. It's not a word game. It's fact. Look up the definition of conspiracy. Read history. It's right in front of your face and you're not open to seeing it, a very simple idea.
CP lost my response, it seems. My response was that I was trying to understand the reason for your posting what you did. I mean, it's a valid statement, in it's own way, but it didn't really address what I was saying, I thought. I was just trying to figure out how it fit in.
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LunaticFringe wrote:
Faith is supposed to transcend proof and render it unnecessary.
Amusingly, the bible says the opposite.
LunaticFringe wrote:
And as I recall, certain religions have had a rough time in court when even trying to qualify as a religion, as opposed to a cult.
Probably. But that's a human definition. It matters only in stopping groups that control and harm people.
LunaticFringe wrote:
Anyone claiming 'proof' of their religion's validity should be prepared to back it up prove their claim in a non-religious setting.
How can God prove Himself in a non religious way ? Why does His refusal to offer the proof that we may define, prove that He offers no proof at all ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
LunaticFringe wrote: Faith is supposed to transcend proof and render it unnecessary. Amusingly, the bible says the opposite.
Really? How so?
Christian Graus wrote:
How can God prove Himself in a non religious way ? Why does His refusal to offer the proof that we may define, prove that He offers no proof at all ?
So it's dependant on faith, isn't it? You've placed it outside the context of logic and verifiable evidence.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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The basic cause of all conspiracy theories is people who are fearful of how random life is, and would rather believe that SOMEONE is in control, even if it's for evil.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
The basic cause of all conspiracy theories is people who are fearful of how random life is, and would rather believe that SOMEONE is in control, even if it's for evil.
This was your original, I believe. At least, this is what I originally responded to. So I have to assume it's "people who are fearful of how random life is and would rather believe that someone is in control". This is precisely why a government is created in the first place! And you believe in the government, and that it should have some form of control on situations. So you DO believe in conspiracies! I'm not trying to move your words around at all, but look at these things from all aspects. You would rather believe that governments actually can control any and all situations, nevermind who is in charge of that actual organization in the first place. And that's precisely where the fallacy lies. It's not a question of whether someone is using it for evil. It's the very fact that an organization has a monopoly on a certain thing (or more) in the first place. Once this organization has control on it, for good intents or otherwise, bad people will either take control of it eventually, or people will be bought. It does have a random element to it. Good people or evil people could come to power of any organization, no matter how well structured. And if people let their guard down for too long... they're screwed. Meaning, we are screwed, right now.
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Christian Graus wrote:
LunaticFringe wrote: Faith is supposed to transcend proof and render it unnecessary. Amusingly, the bible says the opposite.
Really? How so?
Christian Graus wrote:
How can God prove Himself in a non religious way ? Why does His refusal to offer the proof that we may define, prove that He offers no proof at all ?
So it's dependant on faith, isn't it? You've placed it outside the context of logic and verifiable evidence.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
LunaticFringe wrote:
Really? How so?
In a number of ways. The book of Acts constantly points to conversion being an experience that comes with evidence.
LunaticFringe wrote:
So it's dependant on faith, isn't it? You've placed it outside the context of logic and verifiable evidence
My point was that as soon as God is involved, it's about religion, by definition. And, the other point was, if God won't do tricks for you, does that prove that no proof exists, or just no proof that you're willing to consider ? If God was real, and He was God, why would He let you define the proof that He offers ?
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