Russia Today (RT): Conspiracy theories arise from underpants bomber story
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Christian Graus wrote:
So, you assume that what the Russian media says is true, but not the US media ?
For the most part, yes. The US is in debt, and we don't hear about it nearly as much as we should in US mainstream news. But I also don't just assume it. I research well enough. I have to for what I do.
Well, what strikes me is that the US is supposed to be at war, but nowadays, that's not meant to impact on people at home. Life is meant to go on, no matter what. And it's bound to all come crashing down. It would not surprise me if the Xmas bomb guy was being watched to try to catch people higher up in his chain of command, or whatever. IF the video alleges that they wanted him to succeed, or he was set up by the US government, I don't buy that for a second. I admit to not having watched the whole thing, I just got the gist.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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ROTFL !!! Yes, I guess that some religions, the ones without any proof, operate on a similar theory.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
the ones without any proof
Get over it. None have anything that even resembles evidence. It's amazing to me how you can check your logic at the door when anyone says religion. All those hundreds of other religions are false and mine is the one true one. And you say you're afraid of US religion and yet you can't comprehend that you've bought US religion hook, line, and sinker. Your church is just another basic US style fundie christian church.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Christian Graus wrote:
the ones without any proof
Get over it. None have anything that even resembles evidence. It's amazing to me how you can check your logic at the door when anyone says religion. All those hundreds of other religions are false and mine is the one true one. And you say you're afraid of US religion and yet you can't comprehend that you've bought US religion hook, line, and sinker. Your church is just another basic US style fundie christian church.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
Tim Craig wrote:
Get over it. None have anything that even resembles evidence.
You in particularly like to keep saying this, but that won't make it true.
Tim Craig wrote:
Your church is just another basic US style fundie christian church.
No, it's not. Not even remotely. But, an armchair critic and generally uninformed person like yourself is obviously not going to be able to tell that.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Tim Craig wrote:
Get over it. None have anything that even resembles evidence.
You in particularly like to keep saying this, but that won't make it true.
Tim Craig wrote:
Your church is just another basic US style fundie christian church.
No, it's not. Not even remotely. But, an armchair critic and generally uninformed person like yourself is obviously not going to be able to tell that.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
And your continuing to say the bible gives you proof of god's existence isn't going to make that happen either. I'd have to say I'm a lot better informed on this than you are even though you're the local expert on the US. You're the one who posted the link to your church's website. Believe me, they have the typical party line on the revealed word of god, our way is the only way to salvation, yada yada. Whoever started it did his homework in the US.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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LunaticFringe wrote:
Sorry, but if it's only evident internally as a personal experience, I think you'd have trouble getting a court (for instance) to recognize it as 'evidence'.
Well, it's external evidence. Read Acts 8, down to about verse 19. None of that makes any sense if there is not external evidence. Acts 2, 10 and 19 all record the same external evidence when someone becomes a Christian. However, the point is not to get recognised by courts, and I did not claim that was possible.
LunaticFringe wrote:
Mind you, I'm not saying I believe it.
Sure - I am glad you at least agree that people who say 'if there was a God, He would do XXX' are mistaken in their thoughts.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I am glad you at least agree that people who say 'if there was a God, He would do XXX' are mistaken in their thoughts.
Yet, you persist in saying you know what god's intentions are and how people are supposed to do thus and so to gain the big guy's favor.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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And your continuing to say the bible gives you proof of god's existence isn't going to make that happen either. I'd have to say I'm a lot better informed on this than you are even though you're the local expert on the US. You're the one who posted the link to your church's website. Believe me, they have the typical party line on the revealed word of god, our way is the only way to salvation, yada yada. Whoever started it did his homework in the US.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
Tim Craig wrote:
I'd have to say I'm a lot better informed on this
Well, to be frank, all I've ever heard or seen from you has made me think that you're extremely uninformed, except that you congratulate yourself on your personal wisdom on the topic. I find any attempt to respond to you to be tiresome because I know exactly what people like you are, and how you behave. I'm sorry, but there is nothing more ignorant or tiresome than a militant athiest.
Tim Craig wrote:
Whoever started it did his homework in the US.
I am well familiar with the history of my church and it has no links to the US and predates any contact that such churches had into Australia. Any similarities ( 'revealed word of God, there is only one way to salvation ( and we do NOT say WE are the only way, so again, I guess you're not that well informed ) ) are probably based on people reading the same book, does that occur to you at all. The differences are mostly to do with things like theatre, which is very important in US churches and which we don't partake of ( such as pushing people over, dancing in the aisles, etc ).
Tim Craig wrote:
Believe me, they have the typical party line
I am well aware that to people who are ignorant of things like the Bible, or the differences between churches, the fundamental noises that are likely to be the same, are going to be all that people like you notice. It's not that different to me saying that all country music is the same. I confess I've never REALLY listened to it, just like you've never really paid attention or cared what any church has to say.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I am glad you at least agree that people who say 'if there was a God, He would do XXX' are mistaken in their thoughts.
Yet, you persist in saying you know what god's intentions are and how people are supposed to do thus and so to gain the big guy's favor.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
See, this is the sort of deliberately obtuse behaviour that makes me feel reluctant to waste my time talking to you on the topic. There's a big difference between saying that the Bible says something, or saying 'I reject the Bible, because I've decided if God was real, He should do what I think is right'.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Tim Craig wrote:
I'd have to say I'm a lot better informed on this
Well, to be frank, all I've ever heard or seen from you has made me think that you're extremely uninformed, except that you congratulate yourself on your personal wisdom on the topic. I find any attempt to respond to you to be tiresome because I know exactly what people like you are, and how you behave. I'm sorry, but there is nothing more ignorant or tiresome than a militant athiest.
Tim Craig wrote:
Whoever started it did his homework in the US.
I am well familiar with the history of my church and it has no links to the US and predates any contact that such churches had into Australia. Any similarities ( 'revealed word of God, there is only one way to salvation ( and we do NOT say WE are the only way, so again, I guess you're not that well informed ) ) are probably based on people reading the same book, does that occur to you at all. The differences are mostly to do with things like theatre, which is very important in US churches and which we don't partake of ( such as pushing people over, dancing in the aisles, etc ).
Tim Craig wrote:
Believe me, they have the typical party line
I am well aware that to people who are ignorant of things like the Bible, or the differences between churches, the fundamental noises that are likely to be the same, are going to be all that people like you notice. It's not that different to me saying that all country music is the same. I confess I've never REALLY listened to it, just like you've never really paid attention or cared what any church has to say.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I find any attempt to respond to you to be tiresome because I know exactly what people like you are, and how you behave. I'm sorry, but there is nothing more ignorant or tiresome than a militant athiest.
And you're just as predictable as you think I am. Nothing more ignorant or tiresome than a fundie christian who keeps trotting out the same tired old rhetoric about how it's all in the bible if we'd just give it a chance, there's proof of god all around is if we'd just interpret it like you want us to, yada yada.
Christian Graus wrote:
just like you've never really paid attention or cared what any church has to say.
I had a traditional introduction to it but I figured out at a relatively early age that what they were telling me was a crock and from that point on none of what was said was going reach any standard of reason that was going to sway me. It's served me very well for over half a century now. I just refuse to defer to people like you who thinks what they have to say is somehow "special" when all you're doing is voicing an illogical dogma designed to make you feel superior.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I find any attempt to respond to you to be tiresome because I know exactly what people like you are, and how you behave. I'm sorry, but there is nothing more ignorant or tiresome than a militant athiest.
And you're just as predictable as you think I am. Nothing more ignorant or tiresome than a fundie christian who keeps trotting out the same tired old rhetoric about how it's all in the bible if we'd just give it a chance, there's proof of god all around is if we'd just interpret it like you want us to, yada yada.
Christian Graus wrote:
just like you've never really paid attention or cared what any church has to say.
I had a traditional introduction to it but I figured out at a relatively early age that what they were telling me was a crock and from that point on none of what was said was going reach any standard of reason that was going to sway me. It's served me very well for over half a century now. I just refuse to defer to people like you who thinks what they have to say is somehow "special" when all you're doing is voicing an illogical dogma designed to make you feel superior.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
Tim Craig wrote:
And you're just as predictable as you think I am.
So why do you bother trying to engage me on the topic then ? I never bother with trying to engage you, I know you won't listen and don't care.
Tim Craig wrote:
there's proof of god all around is if we'd just interpret it like you want us to
It's quite amusing how far this comment is from anything that I have ever said ( in fact, it's kind of the opposite of what I said ). Proves my point, really.
Tim Craig wrote:
and from that point on none of what was said was going reach any standard of reason that was going to sway me
Exactly. You experienced one thing in depth, and you've decided that anything you have casual experience with, should be seen through those glasses, and you've decided before you start that you won't listen, yet you love to talk about it. That's kind of what I was saying about you.
Tim Craig wrote:
I just refuse to defer to people like you
I never asked you to defer. I just pointed out that you're the one who always wants to talk to me about it. I am happy to leave you alone in your beliefs, which were obviously formed at an early age, and which you're fighting to make sure the world knows you're clinging to.
Tim Craig wrote:
" when all you're doing is voicing an illogical dogma designed to make you feel superior.
See, again, how quickly you judge me ? If you saw me in person, you'd know there's no chance of me ever feeling superior. I'll discuss God whenever people want to talk about it because HE is superior. I sure as hell am not. But, one thing that attracted me to my church, after attending many that I WOULD agree took the page out of the book of the US fundie movement, was that the things they preach actually ARE logical, the Bible IS logical, you don't have to leave your brain at the door. But, like I said above, I understand your confusion and your shallow level of understanding, I am the same about country music. I'm just smart enough to know that I am.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Fear has always been used by the US media to control people, it's nothing new.
Oh is that right? I had no idea :rolleyes:
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
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He was let on the plane WITHOUT a passport. Eyewitness reports say he was accompanied by a guy in a business suit, and a guy was video taping him the entire flight. The reaction from this is widespread expansion of the use of full body scanners. Micheal Chirdoff (former head of homeland security) has investments in the industry which indicates he knew the government would be purchasing tons of the units in the future. Also they are going into Yemen. This type of (police-state security/military/fear-mongering/unpopular legislation) expansion is continue and accelerate by using fear. Question is who is really the threat? It is our own government tyrannically abusing Americans the selectively other nations.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Question is who is really the threat?
People like you and your inbred offspring.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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It is amazing how mentally castrated CG is, simple common sense seems to have escaped him.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
Hello Mr Pot, let me introducve you to Mr Kettle.. If I ever had to make the choice of listening to you or Christian, you would be my 10th pick.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU4RjI9ZhKA[^] I understand that some can't see this RT piece, so a summation, from the video descrip: "There are more questions and conspiracy theories about the underwear bomber arising. Webster Tarpley says that Mutalab was a patsy and wasnt taken off the flight because the government was trying to get more information from him later on. There was an objection from one government agency however, Tarpley also says that government agencies did not talk with each other about this and the government knew that he was going to plant a bomb."
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I'll note, this same channel has quoted Chavez about that whole us leveling Haiti with our earth quake generating superweapon. Obviously, a sterling reputation right there.
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I'm just pointing out that they've happily relayed blatant lies about the US once before in the last month. Actually haven't even bothered to look into this one as I'm sure I'll find out all about it when I work my way through my site's administration section this weekend.