Poll finds most Americans are unhappy with government
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josda1000 wrote:
This describes the fact that most Americans are unhappy with the government today, though "few Americans say they know much about the "tea party" movement." IMO, few people know about it, again, because they're lazy and won't research for themselves, and obviously the mainstream won't talk about it, because they have a vested interest in the status quo.
Actually, most Americans probably just don't care, as long as there's food at the supermarket and sports on TV. Apathy is a powerful force for the status quo. As for the rest... I thought we were all pretty much in agreement that Palin was a joke. Be happy that she's at least a FUNNY joke, as opposed to Bush. Trust me, I'm not one to underestimate human stupidity, but even the American people are NOT stupid enough to elect her to the big chair. So if the "Tea Party" has any brains at all, they'll dump her like a bad metaphor.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
So if the "Tea Party" has any brains at all, they'll dump her like a bad metaphor.
That's a mighty if there. I'm still amused by the baggers who were upset by the costs associated with their convention, but it does at least show me that some of them aren't aware it's little more than a marketing sham at it's heart. Though I'm amazed anyone paid to hear that woman speak.
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josda1000 wrote:
This describes the fact that most Americans are unhappy with the government today, though "few Americans say they know much about the "tea party" movement." IMO, few people know about it, again, because they're lazy and won't research for themselves, and obviously the mainstream won't talk about it, because they have a vested interest in the status quo.
Actually, most Americans probably just don't care, as long as there's food at the supermarket and sports on TV. Apathy is a powerful force for the status quo. As for the rest... I thought we were all pretty much in agreement that Palin was a joke. Be happy that she's at least a FUNNY joke, as opposed to Bush. Trust me, I'm not one to underestimate human stupidity, but even the American people are NOT stupid enough to elect her to the big chair. So if the "Tea Party" has any brains at all, they'll dump her like a bad metaphor.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
Ian Shlasko wrote:
So if the "Tea Party" has any brains at all, they'll dump her like a bad metaphor.
Allow me to officially sit on her and take a nice dump. Yes, I think we definitely all agree. It's just that some people don't realize that there's a "true" tea party movement, and there's also this fake one being perpetrated by neoconservatives. Libertarians and neoconservatives can be similar when talking about fiscal policy. But libertarianism is just nowhere near the same when it comes to foreign policy.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Be happy that she's at least a FUNNY joke, as opposed to Bush.
She's also kinda cute. Yay for women lol No really... I thought that Bushisms were hilarious. "Fool me once, shame on... shame... can't be fooled again!" That was just terribly funny.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
So if the "Tea Party" has any brains at all, they'll dump her like a bad metaphor.
That's a mighty if there. I'm still amused by the baggers who were upset by the costs associated with their convention, but it does at least show me that some of them aren't aware it's little more than a marketing sham at it's heart. Though I'm amazed anyone paid to hear that woman speak.
It doesn't seem that you're getting the point of this. People that attended that Tennessee thing were just idiots. They were mostly neocons, not real conservatives, or libertarians for that matter. That "tea party" was a joke. Notice it was the first tea party on TV. And they weren't real libertarians. Get it?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/10/AR2010021004708.html[^] So this is a testament to what was written a few threads ago. This describes the fact that most Americans are unhappy with the government today, though "few Americans say they know much about the "tea party" movement." IMO, few people know about it, again, because they're lazy and won't research for themselves, and obviously the mainstream won't talk about it, because they have a vested interest in the status quo. "And the new poll shows that the political standing of former Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, who was the keynote speaker last week at the first National Tea Party Convention, has deteriorated significantly." Good. Glad to hear it. A real libertarian/freedom lover/man of the People would never go along with such an ugly neoconservative platform. One must look beyond a pretty face and look at the policies that a politician presents. "Although Palin is a tea party favorite, her potential as a presidential hopeful takes a severe hit in the survey. Fifty-five percent of Americans have unfavorable views of her, while the percentage holding favorable views has dipped to 37, a new low in Post-ABC polling." Two comments on this. One, I'm glad to see that liberty is starting to brew. Two, it only SEEMS that liberty is starting to brew, because, come on; it's ABC doing the polling. They have a vested interest in the Democrat version of the status quo. Palin was originally a Republican, and it still shines through in her neoconservative platform. The truth lies beneath the surface; but it's all right in that one paragraph. "There is a growing sense that the former Alaska governor is not qualified to serve as president, with more than seven in 10 Americans now saying she is unqualified, up from 60 percent in a November survey. Even among Republicans, a majority now say Palin lacks the qualifications necessary for the White House." Again, this is ABC talking, so there's bias. I'm not oblivious to the fact that I'm biased as well. But take a look: Republicans are awakening to the idea that Palin is unqualified as well. And I'd agree. 1) Politically, she left the governor's office of Alaska. Why? For dumbass reasons. It seemed that she couldn't take the pre
josda1000 wrote:
You can see it especially when they try to divide the Republican party toward the end of the article
The party is divided. It votes as a block simply because of the Ford Vs Chevy syndrome. A republican is more likely to swim in shark infested water than admit they were wrong on such a fundamentally defining issue as their political affiliation. Thing is, the party USED to be about small government, individual liberty, and a decidedly pro-business approach. Now they have a major block that wants the government policing their agenda, religious dogma applied to everyone that is a heathen, and pro-monopolies. The other approach is still there in some ways, and there is friction. As for Palin, you are right. I really don't know how she plans to run for President when all it takes from an opponent is "Do we really want a President that will quit after 2 years to pursue other interests and leave the country to a VP? Oh hi, Sarah, how's that "not doing the job you were elcted to do" thing going for you?"
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It doesn't seem that you're getting the point of this. People that attended that Tennessee thing were just idiots. They were mostly neocons, not real conservatives, or libertarians for that matter. That "tea party" was a joke. Notice it was the first tea party on TV. And they weren't real libertarians. Get it?
Here's the problem, those are the real tea baggers, and to illustrate my point: What do you think of the tea party movement?[^] I have little problem with real libertarians if they're sane, but those who are unfortunate enough to attach themselves to this movement are going to be scraping what is left of their credibility off the pavement sooner than later.
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Here's the problem, those are the real tea baggers, and to illustrate my point: What do you think of the tea party movement?[^] I have little problem with real libertarians if they're sane, but those who are unfortunate enough to attach themselves to this movement are going to be scraping what is left of their credibility off the pavement sooner than later.
Distind wrote:
Here's the problem, those are the real tea baggers, and to illustrate my point:
How does that 1 paragraph article illustrate your point? How does the poll, with nothing to it, illustrate your point? I can give you far more reputable sources for this movement, especially where you pointed to a Fox run polling that hasn't been finished yet. Fox = part of the mainstream = bull.
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Distind wrote:
Here's the problem, those are the real tea baggers, and to illustrate my point:
How does that 1 paragraph article illustrate your point? How does the poll, with nothing to it, illustrate your point? I can give you far more reputable sources for this movement, especially where you pointed to a Fox run polling that hasn't been finished yet. Fox = part of the mainstream = bull.
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In politics, the perceived meaning of a movement is far more important than what you tell yourself it means. If you really want to do something constructive, jump off that ship and commission a new one, it's not going to end well.
Point taken. However, at this point in time, I myself have never been to a 'tea party', nor have i affiliated with one. I campaign for liberty, if you see my meaning. For me, it's not about taxes, as the original tea party was about, though I dislike heavy taxes. It's about corruption in corporations and government (moreso government, because people can influence government much more easily.) It's about getting back to the true meaning of a republic. I will push on. I won't affiliate with the tea party, though the real movement of the tea party did start on a liberty platform, and with somewhat libertarian values. I won't back down with trying to help that movement, though. Do you see what I mean? I think I'm actually having a hard time getting my point across succinctly.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/10/AR2010021004708.html[^] So this is a testament to what was written a few threads ago. This describes the fact that most Americans are unhappy with the government today, though "few Americans say they know much about the "tea party" movement." IMO, few people know about it, again, because they're lazy and won't research for themselves, and obviously the mainstream won't talk about it, because they have a vested interest in the status quo. "And the new poll shows that the political standing of former Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, who was the keynote speaker last week at the first National Tea Party Convention, has deteriorated significantly." Good. Glad to hear it. A real libertarian/freedom lover/man of the People would never go along with such an ugly neoconservative platform. One must look beyond a pretty face and look at the policies that a politician presents. "Although Palin is a tea party favorite, her potential as a presidential hopeful takes a severe hit in the survey. Fifty-five percent of Americans have unfavorable views of her, while the percentage holding favorable views has dipped to 37, a new low in Post-ABC polling." Two comments on this. One, I'm glad to see that liberty is starting to brew. Two, it only SEEMS that liberty is starting to brew, because, come on; it's ABC doing the polling. They have a vested interest in the Democrat version of the status quo. Palin was originally a Republican, and it still shines through in her neoconservative platform. The truth lies beneath the surface; but it's all right in that one paragraph. "There is a growing sense that the former Alaska governor is not qualified to serve as president, with more than seven in 10 Americans now saying she is unqualified, up from 60 percent in a November survey. Even among Republicans, a majority now say Palin lacks the qualifications necessary for the White House." Again, this is ABC talking, so there's bias. I'm not oblivious to the fact that I'm biased as well. But take a look: Republicans are awakening to the idea that Palin is unqualified as well. And I'd agree. 1) Politically, she left the governor's office of Alaska. Why? For dumbass reasons. It seemed that she couldn't take the pre
Everyone is unhappy with the government. That is a different question to 'do you think we should replace the government' or 'would you actively or passively support a revolution' ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Here's the problem, those are the real tea baggers, and to illustrate my point: What do you think of the tea party movement?[^] I have little problem with real libertarians if they're sane, but those who are unfortunate enough to attach themselves to this movement are going to be scraping what is left of their credibility off the pavement sooner than later.
Distind wrote:
those are the real tea baggers
ROTFL !!! I'm sorry, that is just priceless. Does tea bagging mean something different in the US, to the rest of the world ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Everyone is unhappy with the government. That is a different question to 'do you think we should replace the government' or 'would you actively or passively support a revolution' ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Nowhere in my comments did I mention anything about a revolution. But yes, good observation.
Like the post below about asking about gays in the military or lesbians, the trouble with most surveys, is that the way the question is worded, has a real impact on the result.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Like the post below about asking about gays in the military or lesbians, the trouble with most surveys, is that the way the question is worded, has a real impact on the result.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I'm not trying to prove that we need to revolt with this. I'm trying to say that the liberty movement is a valid one. I'm also saying that the neoconservative takeover of it is not valid, and therefore Palin's leadership is also invalid. I'm using the poll, one in agreement with the basic philosophy of hating Republicans and neoconservatism, to show that there's some truth and fallacy to everything, as well. This has nothing to do with revolution. I'm not trying to validate violence. That would also go against my philosophy of freedom as well. Though, I do believe that it may be the last line of action in the end. But again, I'm not trying to validate such an action, I didn't say that.
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I'm not trying to prove that we need to revolt with this. I'm trying to say that the liberty movement is a valid one. I'm also saying that the neoconservative takeover of it is not valid, and therefore Palin's leadership is also invalid. I'm using the poll, one in agreement with the basic philosophy of hating Republicans and neoconservatism, to show that there's some truth and fallacy to everything, as well. This has nothing to do with revolution. I'm not trying to validate violence. That would also go against my philosophy of freedom as well. Though, I do believe that it may be the last line of action in the end. But again, I'm not trying to validate such an action, I didn't say that.
*grin* in the first instance, I may have been trying to second guess your intentions, but in the second, I meant only to make a general comment on the nature of surveys.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/10/AR2010021004708.html[^] So this is a testament to what was written a few threads ago. This describes the fact that most Americans are unhappy with the government today, though "few Americans say they know much about the "tea party" movement." IMO, few people know about it, again, because they're lazy and won't research for themselves, and obviously the mainstream won't talk about it, because they have a vested interest in the status quo. "And the new poll shows that the political standing of former Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, who was the keynote speaker last week at the first National Tea Party Convention, has deteriorated significantly." Good. Glad to hear it. A real libertarian/freedom lover/man of the People would never go along with such an ugly neoconservative platform. One must look beyond a pretty face and look at the policies that a politician presents. "Although Palin is a tea party favorite, her potential as a presidential hopeful takes a severe hit in the survey. Fifty-five percent of Americans have unfavorable views of her, while the percentage holding favorable views has dipped to 37, a new low in Post-ABC polling." Two comments on this. One, I'm glad to see that liberty is starting to brew. Two, it only SEEMS that liberty is starting to brew, because, come on; it's ABC doing the polling. They have a vested interest in the Democrat version of the status quo. Palin was originally a Republican, and it still shines through in her neoconservative platform. The truth lies beneath the surface; but it's all right in that one paragraph. "There is a growing sense that the former Alaska governor is not qualified to serve as president, with more than seven in 10 Americans now saying she is unqualified, up from 60 percent in a November survey. Even among Republicans, a majority now say Palin lacks the qualifications necessary for the White House." Again, this is ABC talking, so there's bias. I'm not oblivious to the fact that I'm biased as well. But take a look: Republicans are awakening to the idea that Palin is unqualified as well. And I'd agree. 1) Politically, she left the governor's office of Alaska. Why? For dumbass reasons. It seemed that she couldn't take the pre
Fixed the title for you :-)
Antoine de Saint-Exupery: Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
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Distind wrote:
those are the real tea baggers
ROTFL !!! I'm sorry, that is just priceless. Does tea bagging mean something different in the US, to the rest of the world ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Distind wrote:
those are the real tea baggers
I wish I could use that as a signature, but in most of the world it isn't Kid-Sister-Safe :-)
Antoine de Saint-Exupery: Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
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Fixed the title for you :-)
Antoine de Saint-Exupery: Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
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Fixed the title for you :-)
Antoine de Saint-Exupery: Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/10/AR2010021004708.html[^] So this is a testament to what was written a few threads ago. This describes the fact that most Americans are unhappy with the government today, though "few Americans say they know much about the "tea party" movement." IMO, few people know about it, again, because they're lazy and won't research for themselves, and obviously the mainstream won't talk about it, because they have a vested interest in the status quo. "And the new poll shows that the political standing of former Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, who was the keynote speaker last week at the first National Tea Party Convention, has deteriorated significantly." Good. Glad to hear it. A real libertarian/freedom lover/man of the People would never go along with such an ugly neoconservative platform. One must look beyond a pretty face and look at the policies that a politician presents. "Although Palin is a tea party favorite, her potential as a presidential hopeful takes a severe hit in the survey. Fifty-five percent of Americans have unfavorable views of her, while the percentage holding favorable views has dipped to 37, a new low in Post-ABC polling." Two comments on this. One, I'm glad to see that liberty is starting to brew. Two, it only SEEMS that liberty is starting to brew, because, come on; it's ABC doing the polling. They have a vested interest in the Democrat version of the status quo. Palin was originally a Republican, and it still shines through in her neoconservative platform. The truth lies beneath the surface; but it's all right in that one paragraph. "There is a growing sense that the former Alaska governor is not qualified to serve as president, with more than seven in 10 Americans now saying she is unqualified, up from 60 percent in a November survey. Even among Republicans, a majority now say Palin lacks the qualifications necessary for the White House." Again, this is ABC talking, so there's bias. I'm not oblivious to the fact that I'm biased as well. But take a look: Republicans are awakening to the idea that Palin is unqualified as well. And I'd agree. 1) Politically, she left the governor's office of Alaska. Why? For dumbass reasons. It seemed that she couldn't take the pre
Just because people are unhappy with governement, doesn't mean they align with the Tea Party. Especially, if they're going to hold up Palin as their poster girl.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Distind wrote:
those are the real tea baggers
ROTFL !!! I'm sorry, that is just priceless. Does tea bagging mean something different in the US, to the rest of the world ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.