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  • J josda1000

    http://community.nasdaq.com/News/2010-02/Something-Very-Strange-Is-Happening-With-Treasuries.aspx[^] Here we go. The collapse of the dollar, probably triggered by the rise in interest rates at the Federal Reserve (my guess, at least.) And this, my dear friends, is why I've stopped contributing to my 401K plan about two years ago, and have started to "hoard silver". Not like 20 oz of silver is much, but that's what I've got.

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    You don't think your dollar collapsed because of people who bought houses they could not afford, and defaulted ?

    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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      I'm currently watching this documentary. Argentina's Economic Collapse 59:05 Documentary on the events that led to the economic collapse of Argentina in 2001 which wiped out the middle class and raised the level of poverty to 57.5%. Central to the collapse was the implementation of neo-liberal policies which enabled the swindle of billions of dollars by foreign banks and corporations. Many of Argentina's assets and resources were shamefully plundered. Its financial system was even used for money laundering by Citibank, Credit Suisse, and JP Morgan. The net result was massive wealth transfers and the impoverishment of society which culminated in many deaths due to oppression and malnutrition.[^]

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      See, watching conspiracy videos on the web all day is not going to get you a job.

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        You don't think your dollar collapsed because of people who bought houses they could not afford, and defaulted ?

        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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        CaptainSeeSharp
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        Your new nickname is Dark Triad.

        Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]

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          Your new nickname is Dark Triad.

          Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]

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          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

          Dark Triad

          That's a pretty cool nickname... can I have one too?

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            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

            Dark Triad

            That's a pretty cool nickname... can I have one too?

            I don't have ADHD, I have ADOS... Attention Deficit oooh SHINY!! If you need a laugh, check out my Vodafone World of Difference application | If you like cars, check out the Booger Mobile blog | If you feel generous - make a donation to Camp Quality!!

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            _Damian S_ wrote:

            can I have one too?

            I only give nicknames as a summery of a person's personality. I don't know much about you.

            Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]

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              _Damian S_ wrote:

              can I have one too?

              I only give nicknames as a summery of a person's personality. I don't know much about you.

              Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]

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              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

              I only give nicknames as a summery of a person's personality. I don't know much about you.

              oh oh oh what about me?

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              • J josda1000

                http://community.nasdaq.com/News/2010-02/Something-Very-Strange-Is-Happening-With-Treasuries.aspx[^] Here we go. The collapse of the dollar, probably triggered by the rise in interest rates at the Federal Reserve (my guess, at least.) And this, my dear friends, is why I've stopped contributing to my 401K plan about two years ago, and have started to "hoard silver". Not like 20 oz of silver is much, but that's what I've got.

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                josda1000 wrote:

                Here we go. The collapse of the dollar, probably triggered by the rise in interest rates at the Federal Reserve (my guess, at least.)

                When do you expect this to happen? I have an idea, it wont happen, and in three months when I ask you why it didn't happen you will point to another article, video, book or blog as new proof it's about to happen.

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                  http://community.nasdaq.com/News/2010-02/Something-Very-Strange-Is-Happening-With-Treasuries.aspx[^] Here we go. The collapse of the dollar, probably triggered by the rise in interest rates at the Federal Reserve (my guess, at least.) And this, my dear friends, is why I've stopped contributing to my 401K plan about two years ago, and have started to "hoard silver". Not like 20 oz of silver is much, but that's what I've got.

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                  Ian Shlasko
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                  I'm up past my bedtime, so can't really process all of this at the moment... But here's the deal. Normally, US treasury bonds are known as "risk free," because they're GUARANTEED to be repaid (The gov't can always print more money)... Now people are starting to wonder if their value will drop through currency devaluation, so there's a chance they might stop being "risk free". Now, if they're no longer riskless, the rates will have to go up, otherwise investors won't think they're worth it. That means treasury bonds now pay out more. So then it gets complicated... If you can get 5% returns from "riskless" treasury bonds, then why bother investing in any low-yield securities or blue-chip stocks? Just buy T-bonds! At this point, demand for everything ELSE will plummet, which will make T-Bonds even more valuable... So demand for T-Bonds will rise, and T-Bond yields will go down (More bids, so people will edge lower), and things will stabilize. And I dunno where I was going with this... My brain shut off about ten minutes ago, so I'm working on my math co-processor.... Wait... power's fading... Ok, sleep...

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                  • C CaptainSeeSharp

                    Your new nickname is Dark Triad.

                    Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]

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                    Christian Graus
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                    [punches air] YES. I am DARK TRIAD. Fear me !!!!! Why triad ? Why not diad, or parallelogram ?

                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                      I only give nicknames as a summery of a person's personality. I don't know much about you.

                      oh oh oh what about me?

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                      Christian Graus
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                      Mauve Dodecohedron Thus saith Dark Triad.

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                        Mauve Dodecohedron Thus saith Dark Triad.

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                        so I'm purple and have 12 sides? Poshua Gay was always a popular nickname in primary school

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                          so I'm purple and have 12 sides? Poshua Gay was always a popular nickname in primary school

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                          I always got asked if I was a grouse christian.

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                            You don't think your dollar collapsed because of people who bought houses they could not afford, and defaulted ?

                            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                            Christian Graus wrote:

                            You don't think your dollar collapsed because of people who bought houses they could not afford, and defaulted ?

                            Well, that didnt help, but the dollar has been based on faith for too long. Faith fonded on black gold backing. While oil is sold in dollars, countries need to get dolars ot buy the stuff. It is also used a foreign currency reserve. Since the Euro, the dolar has been devaluing because: 1) The Eurozone is the worlds largest oil buyer. 2) Russia and Iran have discussed selling oil and its products in Euros. 3) The oil for food program for Iraq was run through a Euro bank accont. (Thats why the US invaded, to keeop oil in dolars) 4) Many countries have been dumping dollars as their foreign curency reserve in favour of Euros. All in all, the writing is on the wall for the dollar. Especially since its prome supporter, the US, has a defecit the size of titan. It si not ecconomically viable enough to suport the dolar on its own. And in fact, the pin that poped the ballon of subprime was biofuels speculation and its effect on food prices globally. All due to AGW hyseria. Yet another reason I detest these lying scientists and politicians.

                            Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                              [punches air] YES. I am DARK TRIAD. Fear me !!!!! Why triad ? Why not diad, or parallelogram ?

                              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                              Perhaps you have certain qualities that CSS equates with Kung Fu and Chinese gangs :laugh:

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                                Perhaps you have certain qualities that CSS equates with Kung Fu and Chinese gangs :laugh:

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                                Well, I can see how that would be the case.

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                                  Christian Graus wrote:

                                  You don't think your dollar collapsed because of people who bought houses they could not afford, and defaulted ?

                                  Well, that didnt help, but the dollar has been based on faith for too long. Faith fonded on black gold backing. While oil is sold in dollars, countries need to get dolars ot buy the stuff. It is also used a foreign currency reserve. Since the Euro, the dolar has been devaluing because: 1) The Eurozone is the worlds largest oil buyer. 2) Russia and Iran have discussed selling oil and its products in Euros. 3) The oil for food program for Iraq was run through a Euro bank accont. (Thats why the US invaded, to keeop oil in dolars) 4) Many countries have been dumping dollars as their foreign curency reserve in favour of Euros. All in all, the writing is on the wall for the dollar. Especially since its prome supporter, the US, has a defecit the size of titan. It si not ecconomically viable enough to suport the dolar on its own. And in fact, the pin that poped the ballon of subprime was biofuels speculation and its effect on food prices globally. All due to AGW hyseria. Yet another reason I detest these lying scientists and politicians.

                                  Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                                  fat_boy wrote:

                                  And in fact, the pin that poped the ballon of subprime was biofuels speculation and its effect on food prices globally. All due to AGW hyseria. Yet another reason I detest these lying scientists and politicians.

                                  ROTFL - nice segue.

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                                    fat_boy wrote:

                                    And in fact, the pin that poped the ballon of subprime was biofuels speculation and its effect on food prices globally. All due to AGW hyseria. Yet another reason I detest these lying scientists and politicians.

                                    ROTFL - nice segue.

                                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                    :) But its true though. Look at the timing. Look at the hike in food and gas proces prior to the subprime collapse. It squezed people that bit more, and they fialed ot meet their repayments.

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                                      [punches air] YES. I am DARK TRIAD. Fear me !!!!! Why triad ? Why not diad, or parallelogram ?

                                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                      You should have your own logo. I'm thinking a negative of the Triforce.

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                                        :) But its true though. Look at the timing. Look at the hike in food and gas proces prior to the subprime collapse. It squezed people that bit more, and they fialed ot meet their repayments.

                                        Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                                        Christian Graus
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                                        They were going to fail anyhow. I'm not sure how related it was. I would agree that making petrol out of corn is insane, and only occurs because of the might of the corn lobby and the fact that the US is geared towards growing a lot of corn. AGW or not, I think fuel alternatives are important to research tho, the oil ain't gonna last forever.

                                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                          You should have your own logo. I'm thinking a negative of the Triforce.

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                                          Christian Graus
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                                          I assume CSS will finish the job he started, and provide me with one.

                                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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