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It is a modern form of slavery. A government enacting a law declaring slavery illegal is not socialism. It is enforcing basic property rights and personal liberty. Socialism is when the government owns the means of production (IE publicly owned), and controlled by the government.
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A sweat shop doesn't infringe on property rights or personal liberty. The employees are free to leave that job whenever they want. No one is forcing them to come to work. They work at that job because it's likely the only one available to them. In a purely capitalistic society, employers are going to make the simple calculation of Salary vs Productivity. They'll set the salary as low as they can, without losing too much productivity... The only thing that forces them to raise it, is competition. But if there are many more people looking for jobs, than there are jobs, then the employers don't have to compete.
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A sweat shop doesn't infringe on property rights or personal liberty. The employees are free to leave that job whenever they want. No one is forcing them to come to work. They work at that job because it's likely the only one available to them. In a purely capitalistic society, employers are going to make the simple calculation of Salary vs Productivity. They'll set the salary as low as they can, without losing too much productivity... The only thing that forces them to raise it, is competition. But if there are many more people looking for jobs, than there are jobs, then the employers don't have to compete.
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Ian Shlasko wrote:
A sweat shop doesn't infringe on property rights or personal liberty.
The ones in China do, which is the subject of the conversation. They employ slave labor, enforced by an authoritarian regime whoes ideologies came from a the genocidal maniac who slaughtered 80mil Chinese in a cultural revolution. Mao is on every Yen note. They live in the factories, they work 20 hours a day, sometimes they work 48 hours strait.
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Aren't you a contracting programmer?
Kind of. I mostly work for American firms long term, I've been a contracting programmer mostly because it's too difficult to turn me in to a full time US employee.
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Or that corrupt governments cooperating on an international level enabling it?
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Well, government act in the interests of the people who vote them in, or, rather, they act in a way that they feel will win their votes next time. If Americans were not running their country in to the ground in the name of cheap imports, then your government would not support that.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
A sweat shop doesn't infringe on property rights or personal liberty.
The ones in China do, which is the subject of the conversation. They employ slave labor, enforced by an authoritarian regime whoes ideologies came from a the genocidal maniac who slaughtered 80mil Chinese in a cultural revolution. Mao is on every Yen note. They live in the factories, they work 20 hours a day, sometimes they work 48 hours strait.
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You really are pretty dumb, aren't you ? It's been spelled out for you three times in a row, but you can't see past your own fantasies and untruths.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
A sweat shop doesn't infringe on property rights or personal liberty.
The ones in China do, which is the subject of the conversation. They employ slave labor, enforced by an authoritarian regime whoes ideologies came from a the genocidal maniac who slaughtered 80mil Chinese in a cultural revolution. Mao is on every Yen note. They live in the factories, they work 20 hours a day, sometimes they work 48 hours strait.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
Do they, or do they not, have the option to quit? If so, it's not forced labor. True, that option may not be feasible, because they would go broke, but if they're not being held against their will, it's not "slave" labor.
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Do they, or do they not, have the option to quit? If so, it's not forced labor. True, that option may not be feasible, because they would go broke, but if they're not being held against their will, it's not "slave" labor.
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Ian Shlasko wrote:
True, that option may not be feasible, because they would go broke
Which is no different to the people packing the shelves at your local walmart, or making your coffee at starbucks for $4 an hour, or whatever the pathetic US minimum wage is.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
True, that option may not be feasible, because they would go broke
Which is no different to the people packing the shelves at your local walmart, or making your coffee at starbucks for $4 an hour, or whatever the pathetic US minimum wage is.
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Except that Walmart is being forced, by the government to pay them at least $7.25 an hour (I think that's what FMW is now). If not for that regulation, those salaries would tend toward sweat shop levels. That's the federal government telling a company what it's allowed to pay its workers. That's not true capitalism. That's an element of socialism... That's the government acting to elevate the lower class in relation to the upper class, to create more equality. Of course those higher wages get passed on to the consumers, but since everyone is paying the same price, the cost is distributed equally. Of course, even with this staring you right in the face, you would never admit that even the smallest amount of socialism could be beneficial... No, that would go against all of your brainwashing dogma Alex Jones ideals... Right?
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Except that Walmart is being forced, by the government to pay them at least $7.25 an hour (I think that's what FMW is now). If not for that regulation, those salaries would tend toward sweat shop levels. That's the federal government telling a company what it's allowed to pay its workers. That's not true capitalism. That's an element of socialism... That's the government acting to elevate the lower class in relation to the upper class, to create more equality. Of course those higher wages get passed on to the consumers, but since everyone is paying the same price, the cost is distributed equally. Of course, even with this staring you right in the face, you would never admit that even the smallest amount of socialism could be beneficial... No, that would go against all of your brainwashing dogma Alex Jones ideals... Right?
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Except that Walmart is being forced, by the government to pay them at least $7.25 an hour
Yes, I know there's a minimum wage in the US. It's about half what the minimum wage is here.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
That's not true capitalism. That's an element of sociali
Yes, as you said above.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Of course, even with this staring you right in the face, you would never admit that even the smallest amount of socialism could be beneficial..
Um... you replied to me :P
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Except that Walmart is being forced, by the government to pay them at least $7.25 an hour
Yes, I know there's a minimum wage in the US. It's about half what the minimum wage is here.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
That's not true capitalism. That's an element of sociali
Yes, as you said above.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Of course, even with this staring you right in the face, you would never admit that even the smallest amount of socialism could be beneficial..
Um... you replied to me :P
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Oops, sorry man... Didn't notice you had joined in... Saw the C and assumed the rest of the name :)
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Oops, sorry man... Didn't notice you had joined in... Saw the C and assumed the rest of the name :)
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)ROTFL !!!! No, CSS bailed on this thread a while ago. Any thread he starts, is way over his head by the time there's a second reply.
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ROTFL !!!! No, CSS bailed on this thread a while ago. Any thread he starts, is way over his head by the time there's a second reply.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Yeah, I see that now... Heh... The skitzo weather has been completely screwing up my sinuses, which of course means I get almost no sleep... So the brain never really turned on this morning... Should have had some caffeine, but I'm trying to minimize that.
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