General announcement
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To CSS - you can't do anything to stop me deleting the thread you keep posting. Any replies you make, I can delete, without the thread being left behind. I let it go this morning and answered, if you want to discuss it, try responding on the thread that already exists. I hate having to moderate you, but I will do it if you ignore the rules. To everyone else - if CSS posts his copy and paste thing on health care again, please don't respond, as I am going to delete it. It's been discussed already, he refuses to discuss it, and that's in violation of the rules, so it's going. If he posts and discusses his views rather than just pasting someone elses, then I won't delete it. He's welcome to be wrong, he's just not welcome to spread other people's opinions that he's incapable of understanding or discussing.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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So we're stuck with an interesting thread but unable to see the content of what prompted the discussion? Apart from the portions quoted by people who responded obviously.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul585.html[^] is the bulk of it. I was trying to be lenient, but he started posting it over and over, so I felt I had no choice. He was not interested in discussing it, so while I agree parts of the thread are interesting, there's no reason not to respond to one of the responses if you want to discuss it, and no point in responding to him as he won't answer/discuss anyhow.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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So we're stuck with an interesting thread but unable to see the content of what prompted the discussion? Apart from the portions quoted by people who responded obviously.
Here is the complete message I posted. I agree with this completely. It's the real deal, those who support socialized, subsidized, highly regulated, bureaucratic nightmare healthcare are totally ignorant of the real consequences of those systems and only view it with the perspective that was taught to them through a lifetime a propaganda and dependency on government handouts and ridiculous laws. Ron Paul March 18, 2010 Statement before the United States House of Representatives, September 23, 2009 Government has been mismanaging medical care for more than 45 years; for every problem it has created it has responded by exponentially expanding the role of government. Points to consider: 1.) No one has a right to medical care. If one assumes such a right, it endorses the notion that some individuals have a right to someone else’s life and property. This totally contradicts the principles of liberty. 2.) If medical care is provided by government, this can only be achieved by an authoritarian government unconcerned about the rights of the individual. 3.) Economic fallacies accepted for more than 100 years in the United States has deceived policy makers into believing that quality medical care can only be achieved by government force, taxation, regulations, and bowing to a system of special interests that creates a system of corporatism. 4.) More dollars into any monopoly run by government never increases quality but it always results in higher costs and prices. 5.) Government does have an important role to play in facilitating the delivery of all goods and services in an ethical and efficient manner. 6.) First, government should do no harm. It should get out of the way and repeal all the laws that have contributed to the mess we have. 7.) The costs are obviously too high but in solving this problem one cannot ignore the debasement of the currency as a major factor. 8.) Bureaucrats and other third parties must never be allowed to interfere in the doctor/patient relationship. Laws dealing with bad outcomes and prohibiting doctors from entering into voluntary agreements with their patients must be repealed. Tort laws play a significant role in pushing costs higher, prompting unnecessary treatment and excessive testing. Patients deserve the compensation; the attorneys do not. 10.) Insurance sales should be legalized nationally across state lines to increase competition among the insurance companies.
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Here is the complete message I posted. I agree with this completely. It's the real deal, those who support socialized, subsidized, highly regulated, bureaucratic nightmare healthcare are totally ignorant of the real consequences of those systems and only view it with the perspective that was taught to them through a lifetime a propaganda and dependency on government handouts and ridiculous laws. Ron Paul March 18, 2010 Statement before the United States House of Representatives, September 23, 2009 Government has been mismanaging medical care for more than 45 years; for every problem it has created it has responded by exponentially expanding the role of government. Points to consider: 1.) No one has a right to medical care. If one assumes such a right, it endorses the notion that some individuals have a right to someone else’s life and property. This totally contradicts the principles of liberty. 2.) If medical care is provided by government, this can only be achieved by an authoritarian government unconcerned about the rights of the individual. 3.) Economic fallacies accepted for more than 100 years in the United States has deceived policy makers into believing that quality medical care can only be achieved by government force, taxation, regulations, and bowing to a system of special interests that creates a system of corporatism. 4.) More dollars into any monopoly run by government never increases quality but it always results in higher costs and prices. 5.) Government does have an important role to play in facilitating the delivery of all goods and services in an ethical and efficient manner. 6.) First, government should do no harm. It should get out of the way and repeal all the laws that have contributed to the mess we have. 7.) The costs are obviously too high but in solving this problem one cannot ignore the debasement of the currency as a major factor. 8.) Bureaucrats and other third parties must never be allowed to interfere in the doctor/patient relationship. Laws dealing with bad outcomes and prohibiting doctors from entering into voluntary agreements with their patients must be repealed. Tort laws play a significant role in pushing costs higher, prompting unnecessary treatment and excessive testing. Patients deserve the compensation; the attorneys do not. 10.) Insurance sales should be legalized nationally across state lines to increase competition among the insurance companies.
I'm leaving this b/c it's a reply to another post. I have to ask, if you won't discuss this with anyone, if you're scared to defend the views presented here, why did you feel the need to try to post it over and over ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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So we're stuck with an interesting thread but unable to see the content of what prompted the discussion? Apart from the portions quoted by people who responded obviously.
Well, you have his original post, as well as plenty of discussion on this thread. You're not responding ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Well, you have his original post, as well as plenty of discussion on this thread. You're not responding ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
You're not responding ?
*sigh* I was in a meeting, now I have another one. That ok?
Well, the retard has posted it at least 50 times now, so you can read it from him, here, or in the truth box, if you want.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Well, the retard has posted it at least 50 times now, so you can read it from him, here, or in the truth box, if you want.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
what's the truth box? and why not just move the posts to the soapbox, like has been done before with mine and other's posts?
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Well, you have his original post, as well as plenty of discussion on this thread. You're not responding ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Your account needs to be deleted. You will no longer delete any of my posts, understand?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
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Your account needs to be deleted. You will no longer delete any of my posts, understand?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You will no longer delete any of my posts, understand?
Oops - too late. Seriously, I've told you the rules. When you copy and paste from other websites, and don't post any comments of your own, and then refuse to discuss what you post, I delete it. I don't care how retarded your worldview is, or what drivel you post, I am only deleting where you are refusing to post your own opinions, or defend/discuss your posts.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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what's the truth box? and why not just move the posts to the soapbox, like has been done before with mine and other's posts?
When I first told CSS that I will delete his posts if they are copied from other sites and he refuses to discuss them, he initially thought I couldn't do it, then when he realised I can, he said he'd never post here again and created his own forum. No-one but him has ever posted in it, and he lasted < 24 hours before posting here again. This is the bottom of the cess pit, the final resting place, if it is not good enough to be here, no other forum wants it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Your account needs to be deleted. You will no longer delete any of my posts, understand?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You will no longer delete any of my posts, understand?
You seem to have missed this little bit at the top of the forum "This board is currently moderated by Christian Graus". To put it simply for you, it is up to Christian if your post stays or goes, what you think and/or want has little to do with it. As far as his account needing to be deleted, he has had a far more positive effect on this site than you could ever hope to achieve.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You will no longer delete any of my posts, understand?
You seem to have missed this little bit at the top of the forum "This board is currently moderated by Christian Graus". To put it simply for you, it is up to Christian if your post stays or goes, what you think and/or want has little to do with it. As far as his account needing to be deleted, he has had a far more positive effect on this site than you could ever hope to achieve.
*blush* thanks. Would you believe that he's been reposting that text about health care, sometimes every minute or so, all day ? Even though it's visible in his 'truthbox' and in this thread, and was visible below long enough to attract a ton of replies, which he did not respond to ? There's something seriously wrong with this guy.....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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*blush* thanks. Would you believe that he's been reposting that text about health care, sometimes every minute or so, all day ? Even though it's visible in his 'truthbox' and in this thread, and was visible below long enough to attract a ton of replies, which he did not respond to ? There's something seriously wrong with this guy.....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.