Minimum wage [modified]
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The core of the health issue, is that the government allows corporations to exploit their workforce. The minimum wage is $5.15 an hour in the US. Assume a 40 hour week and you get $10,700 a year. However, places like Target hire mostly casual staff, and hire too many, so that they fight amongst themselves for hours, and never know if they will get work from one week to the next. So, being generous, people on minimum wage probably work two jobs, work 60 horus a week and live on $14k ( b/c no-one could live on $7k a year ). That $1160 a month. Now take a health care system where a basic doctors visit without insurance costs $500 ( remember as these are casual workers they get no health benefits, no sick days, no annual leave ), and it's clear that there's no room for these overworked, undernourished people to get sick. So, once again, unfettered capitalism is allowed to exploit societies weakest members and just throw them on the trash heap when that work wears them out and they are no longer fit to keep working. How is that 'liberty and the pursuit of happiness' ? Our government lets corporations do this, too, but our minimum wage is $13.49 for full time work and $16.19 for casual work. That's more than THREE times what it is in the US. We have a sliding scale, so people from start of work to 20, work up to that minimum. That means there's a minimum for kids working for pocket money and a minimum for adults. The US does not have this, ostensibly to protect kids from being paid too little, but really it's to stop adults from being paid enough. The casual minimum wage for kids under 16 is $7.20. That's right, a 15 yo here gets 40% more for working at McDonalds than a 35 year old man in the USA would get.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
modified on Sunday, March 21, 2010 5:14 PM
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The core of the health issue, is that the government allows corporations to exploit their workforce. The minimum wage is $5.15 an hour in the US. Assume a 40 hour week and you get $10,700 a year. However, places like Target hire mostly casual staff, and hire too many, so that they fight amongst themselves for hours, and never know if they will get work from one week to the next. So, being generous, people on minimum wage probably work two jobs, work 60 horus a week and live on $14k ( b/c no-one could live on $7k a year ). That $1160 a month. Now take a health care system where a basic doctors visit without insurance costs $500 ( remember as these are casual workers they get no health benefits, no sick days, no annual leave ), and it's clear that there's no room for these overworked, undernourished people to get sick. So, once again, unfettered capitalism is allowed to exploit societies weakest members and just throw them on the trash heap when that work wears them out and they are no longer fit to keep working. How is that 'liberty and the pursuit of happiness' ? Our government lets corporations do this, too, but our minimum wage is $13.49 for full time work and $16.19 for casual work. That's more than THREE times what it is in the US. We have a sliding scale, so people from start of work to 20, work up to that minimum. That means there's a minimum for kids working for pocket money and a minimum for adults. The US does not have this, ostensibly to protect kids from being paid too little, but really it's to stop adults from being paid enough. The casual minimum wage for kids under 16 is $7.20. That's right, a 15 yo here gets 40% more for working at McDonalds than a 35 year old man in the USA would get.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
modified on Sunday, March 21, 2010 5:14 PM
Christian Graus wrote:
The minimum wage is $5.15 an hour in the US
$7.25 but I might be fooling you.
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Christian Graus wrote:
The minimum wage is $5.15 an hour in the US
$7.25 but I might be fooling you.
*sigh* just use the one account, already. Not according to the websites I found.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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*sigh* just use the one account, already. Not according to the websites I found.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
*sigh* just use the one account, already.
i only have one account.
Christian Graus wrote:
Not according to the websites I found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._minimum_wages[^] how difficult was that?
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The core of the health issue, is that the government allows corporations to exploit their workforce. The minimum wage is $5.15 an hour in the US. Assume a 40 hour week and you get $10,700 a year. However, places like Target hire mostly casual staff, and hire too many, so that they fight amongst themselves for hours, and never know if they will get work from one week to the next. So, being generous, people on minimum wage probably work two jobs, work 60 horus a week and live on $14k ( b/c no-one could live on $7k a year ). That $1160 a month. Now take a health care system where a basic doctors visit without insurance costs $500 ( remember as these are casual workers they get no health benefits, no sick days, no annual leave ), and it's clear that there's no room for these overworked, undernourished people to get sick. So, once again, unfettered capitalism is allowed to exploit societies weakest members and just throw them on the trash heap when that work wears them out and they are no longer fit to keep working. How is that 'liberty and the pursuit of happiness' ? Our government lets corporations do this, too, but our minimum wage is $13.49 for full time work and $16.19 for casual work. That's more than THREE times what it is in the US. We have a sliding scale, so people from start of work to 20, work up to that minimum. That means there's a minimum for kids working for pocket money and a minimum for adults. The US does not have this, ostensibly to protect kids from being paid too little, but really it's to stop adults from being paid enough. The casual minimum wage for kids under 16 is $7.20. That's right, a 15 yo here gets 40% more for working at McDonalds than a 35 year old man in the USA would get.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
modified on Sunday, March 21, 2010 5:14 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:History_of_US_federal_minimum_wage_increases.svg[^] Looks like people are getting paid less due to inflation. So the government is at fault for reduced wages.
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Christian Graus wrote:
*sigh* just use the one account, already.
i only have one account.
Christian Graus wrote:
Not according to the websites I found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._minimum_wages[^] how difficult was that?
I guess the site I found reported the absolute minimum ( which is in Wyoming ), or the Federal minimum ( which I expect is the lower of the two, the states going above, but not below, what the Federal government decides is the allowable minimum ). My point stands, on every level.
dragonflower wrote:
i only have one account.
Which has only ever been used in the soapbox, and only 22 times. I'm sorry if this is true, but given the nature of this forum, the fact it is hidden, and the fact that it's on a site for programmers, what you say does not gel with the tendency some users have to run many accounts.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:History_of_US_federal_minimum_wage_increases.svg[^] Looks like people are getting paid less due to inflation. So the government is at fault for reduced wages.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Looks like people are getting paid less due to inflation
The government does not create inflation. Even if it did, the concept of any minimum wage is meant to be a form of protection for low skilled workers from being exploited. That it's not being enforced to do that in the US is a failure of unfettered capitalism, not socialism. It's a total absence of socialism that is creating this problem.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I guess the site I found reported the absolute minimum ( which is in Wyoming ), or the Federal minimum ( which I expect is the lower of the two, the states going above, but not below, what the Federal government decides is the allowable minimum ). My point stands, on every level.
dragonflower wrote:
i only have one account.
Which has only ever been used in the soapbox, and only 22 times. I'm sorry if this is true, but given the nature of this forum, the fact it is hidden, and the fact that it's on a site for programmers, what you say does not gel with the tendency some users have to run many accounts.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
which is in Wyoming
Why doesn't that surprise me? :rolleyes:
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
*grin* even the high end of the minimum wage scale is ludicrous, IMO. And it does not take in to account how rarely people earning this get given regular hours, or sick leave, etc.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I guess the site I found reported the absolute minimum ( which is in Wyoming ), or the Federal minimum ( which I expect is the lower of the two, the states going above, but not below, what the Federal government decides is the allowable minimum ). My point stands, on every level.
dragonflower wrote:
i only have one account.
Which has only ever been used in the soapbox, and only 22 times. I'm sorry if this is true, but given the nature of this forum, the fact it is hidden, and the fact that it's on a site for programmers, what you say does not gel with the tendency some users have to run many accounts.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
you might try looking at this website for factual information. http://www.dol.gov/[^] http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/wages/minimumwage.htm[^]
Christian Graus wrote:
Which has only ever been used in the soapbox
wrong!
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you might try looking at this website for factual information. http://www.dol.gov/[^] http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/wages/minimumwage.htm[^]
Christian Graus wrote:
Which has only ever been used in the soapbox
wrong!
So between this site and the one you linked to before ( wikipedia ) I am to conclude there's a federal minimum wage, but some states have a lower minimum ? How is that possible ? Doesn't that mean the federal one is a joke ? $7, $5, makes no difference to the core point I was making.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Looks like people are getting paid less due to inflation
The government does not create inflation. Even if it did, the concept of any minimum wage is meant to be a form of protection for low skilled workers from being exploited. That it's not being enforced to do that in the US is a failure of unfettered capitalism, not socialism. It's a total absence of socialism that is creating this problem.
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Have you ever thought about how obviously unauthentic and counterfeit you are?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Looks like people are getting paid less due to inflation
The government does not create inflation. Even if it did, the concept of any minimum wage is meant to be a form of protection for low skilled workers from being exploited. That it's not being enforced to do that in the US is a failure of unfettered capitalism, not socialism. It's a total absence of socialism that is creating this problem.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I'd argue with you about this, but I don't want the inevitable association. :sigh:
Opacity, the new Transparency.
There's no association. Tell me your thoughts. I'd love a rational response instead of the stuff CSS presents.
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Have you ever thought about how obviously unauthentic and counterfeit you are?
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I've often laughed at the way you take cheap shots as an exit strategy when you run out of ways to defend your views, yes.
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I've often laughed at the way you take cheap shots as an exit strategy when you run out of ways to defend your views, yes.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
The thing is though, you don't believe in what you are saying, so I'm not going to argue with you.
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The thing is though, you don't believe in what you are saying, so I'm not going to argue with you.
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See what I mean ? I believe exactly what I am saying. Even if the government causes inflation, it also decides not to let minimum wages keep up with it, it's still the case that the government is not acting in a remotely socialist way, it's supporting capitalism at the expense of societies weaker members.
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See what I mean ? I believe exactly what I am saying. Even if the government causes inflation, it also decides not to let minimum wages keep up with it, it's still the case that the government is not acting in a remotely socialist way, it's supporting capitalism at the expense of societies weaker members.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
t's still the case that the government is not acting in a remotely socialist way
Last thing before I let the M1 finish the job. Again, you are not genuine, you are simply being a POS sociopath scumbag, the lowest of the low. Ten pillars of communism. 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state. 8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of civil army. 9. Abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools.
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There's no association. Tell me your thoughts. I'd love a rational response instead of the stuff CSS presents.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Actually, for once CSS is speaking from a position of knowledge. If there is anyone on this site who knows about minimum wage, it will be CSS. Those Pizza Deliveries don't pay well. And why is he called Drag on Floor now?
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Christian Graus wrote:
t's still the case that the government is not acting in a remotely socialist way
Last thing before I let the M1 finish the job. Again, you are not genuine, you are simply being a POS sociopath scumbag, the lowest of the low. Ten pillars of communism. 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state. 8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of civil army. 9. Abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Again, you are not genuine, you are simply being a POS sociopath scumbag, the lowest of the low.
On what do you base this theory ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Ten pillars of communism.
Where did you get this from ? What makes it true ? Most of this list is plainly not happening in your country, or mine. You have to play word games like 'property tax means you don't own your property' to try to make it true. Either way, it's not a response to anything I said. It's actually irrelevant. If communists wanted free education, does that mean America would be stronger if it abolished it's school system ? What does this have to do with minimum wage ? I agree that government run health care, or welfare, or minimum wage laws, are socialist by definition. You're just wrong to think that pure capitalism is a system that works, or is fair. It works for the winners, and crushes the losers. Pure socialism is an evil, but so is pure capitalism. Just because I have more money than you'll ever see in one place in my general savings account, doesn't mean I want to crush the poor, or don't care about some level of equity in society.
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