What the infamous Health Care bill IS and ISN'T
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Well, they claim that it will... If you look at the details, it's actually cutting costs and adding taxes on the wealthy at the same time, so maybe it'll work.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Republicans will get in, remove the costs but not the care, and the deficit will skyrocket. That's my guess.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Well, they claim that it will... If you look at the details, it's actually cutting costs and adding taxes on the wealthy at the same time, so maybe it'll work.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
It will actually REDUCE the deficit by ~$140 billion over the next decade.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: This bill may do many things. But reducing the deficit will never be one of them.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Could encourage competition.
perhaps, perhaps not.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Well they're also closing some medicaid/medicare loopholes... Combine that with the ~4% tax on investment income for the wealthy, and the 40% tax for the top-tier insurance plans (Nicknamed the "Cadillac" plans), and all of the penalties collected for people who stay uninsured... It might work.
Well, if the government is not running anything, it could work. Here, they make a guess as to the cost of building a new hospital, and it ends up costing 10x that.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
perhaps, perhaps not.
They're relying on the free market to reduce costs... Theoretically, it should work. Realistically, who knows? Either way, you'd think CSS would LOVE this part of the plan.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, if the government is not running anything, it could work. Here, they make a guess as to the cost of building a new hospital, and it ends up costing 10x that.
Yeah, same here for more government projects. And to be fair, the government already does run Medicare and Medicaid (The existing systems, targeted at poverty-level families), and the state governments will run the exchanges... So it's not entirely private-sector.
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They do the same for Social Security and look at what a well funded money saver that is. Cut benefits, add taxes, still underfunded. Medicare, Medicade, the Post Office.. If it's government run, expect it to hemorrhage money. It's the American way.
thrakazog wrote:
They do the same for Social Security and look at what a well funded money saver that is. Cut benefits, add taxes, still underfunded.
Social security was flawed from the start, because it operated under the assumption that people wouldn't live more than X years after the retirement age. Advances in medicine killed it.
thrakazog wrote:
Medicare, Medicade, the Post Office.. If it's government run, expect it to hemorrhage money.
Medicare and Medicaid, sure... But the USPS is actually a company that operates under some amount of government control, but takes ZERO money from the government. It's entirely self-sustaining through postage stamps and shipping fees.
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Republicans will get in, remove the costs but not the care, and the deficit will skyrocket. That's my guess.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I'm trying not to be that pessimistic... It's difficult, but I'm trying :)
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thrakazog wrote:
They do the same for Social Security and look at what a well funded money saver that is. Cut benefits, add taxes, still underfunded.
Social security was flawed from the start, because it operated under the assumption that people wouldn't live more than X years after the retirement age. Advances in medicine killed it.
thrakazog wrote:
Medicare, Medicade, the Post Office.. If it's government run, expect it to hemorrhage money.
Medicare and Medicaid, sure... But the USPS is actually a company that operates under some amount of government control, but takes ZERO money from the government. It's entirely self-sustaining through postage stamps and shipping fees.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
It's entirely self-sustaining through postage stamps and shipping fees.
Ok, but the point is that it's not taxpayer-funded :)
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thrakazog wrote:
They do the same for Social Security and look at what a well funded money saver that is. Cut benefits, add taxes, still underfunded.
Social security was flawed from the start, because it operated under the assumption that people wouldn't live more than X years after the retirement age. Advances in medicine killed it.
thrakazog wrote:
Medicare, Medicade, the Post Office.. If it's government run, expect it to hemorrhage money.
Medicare and Medicaid, sure... But the USPS is actually a company that operates under some amount of government control, but takes ZERO money from the government. It's entirely self-sustaining through postage stamps and shipping fees.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Medicare and Medicaid, sure... But the USPS is actually a company that operates under some amount of government control, but takes ZERO money from the government. It's entirely self-sustaining through postage stamps and shipping fees.
Which has mostly taken a hit from Email if I remember correctly. Funny thing about government programs, they are never future proof.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Medicare and Medicaid, sure... But the USPS is actually a company that operates under some amount of government control, but takes ZERO money from the government. It's entirely self-sustaining through postage stamps and shipping fees.
Which has mostly taken a hit from Email if I remember correctly. Funny thing about government programs, they are never future proof.
Distind wrote:
Funny thing about government programs, they are never future proof.
Is anything? Time changes everything... That which doesn't adapt, fails.
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Distind wrote:
Funny thing about government programs, they are never future proof.
Is anything? Time changes everything... That which doesn't adapt, fails.
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Well, they claim that it will... If you look at the details, it's actually cutting costs and adding taxes on the wealthy at the same time, so maybe it'll work.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Cutting medicare costs "next year" has been part of how the last few healthcare boondoggles have had their costs grossly understated. Congress never actually follows through because AARP is the one organization that might actually be able to achieve a full scale incumbent purge if they wanted to.
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Well, they claim that it will... If you look at the details, it's actually cutting costs and adding taxes on the wealthy at the same time, so maybe it'll work.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Well, they claim that it will... If you look at the details, it's actually cutting costs and adding taxes on the wealthy at the same time, so maybe it'll work.
So if the dems claim it, you believe it? If the reps claim it, it is mindless rhetoric? I'm supposed to believe this is a neutral evaluation?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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Ok, but the point is that it's not taxpayer-funded :)
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Ok, but the point is that it's not taxpayer-funded
You should have read the article: FTA: Yet the Postal Service is not directly funded by the federal government: although the government puts caps on the postage that it can charge, the USPS is expected to pay for itself. While it is allowed to borrow up to $15 billion from the U.S. Treasury to help it through difficult times, it is currently running a tab of $10 billion and may borrow another $3 billion this year. But this ad hoc funding system, disturbingly similar to the old method used to fund Amtrak, is a stopgap, and doesn't allow the Postal Service to engage in long-term planning. See full article from DailyFinance: http://srph.it/cTBEHY Just like the bank bail out is not funded by the taxpayer, when the banks pay it back?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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Distind wrote:
Funny thing about government programs, they are never future proof.
Is anything? Time changes everything... That which doesn't adapt, fails.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Is anything? Time changes everything... That which doesn't adapt, fails.
If a business doesn't plan accurately for the future, they go out of business. The government almost never does, and just sucks more money from the taxpayers. It may well fail the country.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Well, they claim that it will... If you look at the details, it's actually cutting costs and adding taxes on the wealthy at the same time, so maybe it'll work.
So if the dems claim it, you believe it? If the reps claim it, it is mindless rhetoric? I'm supposed to believe this is a neutral evaluation?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
What have the reps claimed that I've called "mindless rhetoric?" I'm looking at what the bill does, and giving my own estimation of whether it seems plausible. I don't care which party says what.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Ok, but the point is that it's not taxpayer-funded
You should have read the article: FTA: Yet the Postal Service is not directly funded by the federal government: although the government puts caps on the postage that it can charge, the USPS is expected to pay for itself. While it is allowed to borrow up to $15 billion from the U.S. Treasury to help it through difficult times, it is currently running a tab of $10 billion and may borrow another $3 billion this year. But this ad hoc funding system, disturbingly similar to the old method used to fund Amtrak, is a stopgap, and doesn't allow the Postal Service to engage in long-term planning. See full article from DailyFinance: http://srph.it/cTBEHY Just like the bank bail out is not funded by the taxpayer, when the banks pay it back?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
Ok, normally it's not taxpayer funded... It's currently borrowing money from the government because e-mail is killing it... The point is that there isn't some line item in the federal budget that says "We're spending $X of taxpayer money a year on the postal service."
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Is anything? Time changes everything... That which doesn't adapt, fails.
If a business doesn't plan accurately for the future, they go out of business. The government almost never does, and just sucks more money from the taxpayers. It may well fail the country.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
Quite possibly.
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What have the reps claimed that I've called "mindless rhetoric?" I'm looking at what the bill does, and giving my own estimation of whether it seems plausible. I don't care which party says what.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)You don't know what the bill does until you read all 2,700 pages of it.
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You don't know what the bill does until you read all 2,700 pages of it.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]