CRU email investigation?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Congratulions, you agree with CSS
Only in as much as you do: lovelock is an idiot[^]
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I won't bother splitting hairs with you. Therein lies the path to madness.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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fat_boy wrote:
He is clearly a fool. And he is also a Christian, probably one of the reasons he feels that mankind is NOT part of nature, and thus must be punished for eating the apple.
Where'd you get that? I see this in the article: "Fudging the data in any way whatsoever is quite literally a sin against the holy ghost of science," he said. "I'm not religious, but I put it that way because I feel so strongly. It's the one thing you do not ever do. You've got to have standards." Says he's not religious.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. Especially one that bashes Christians.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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fat_boy wrote:
And he is also a Christian
I've have never seen where he professed to be a Christian. I read one article where he said that he wasn't religious. Can you show me where he made that claim? Beyond that...
fat_boy wrote:
probably one of the reasons he feels that mankind is NOT part of nature, and thus must be punished for eating the apple.
I am not sure which religion believes that (if any), but it isn't Christianity.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit It's against my relationship to have a religion. Me blog, You read
Yeah, I was going to say all of this, but decided it was not worth bothering. The original comment showed a lack of interest in facts. Trying to defend facts in the face of hyperbole is a waste of time IMO.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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From what I remember what I caught the inquiry had roughly the same results my own review of the materials did. Some emails contained the desire to take some unprofessional actions, however there was no solid evidence any of it was actually carried through, in fact I believe the exact opposite was proven true. But hey, when someone calls your life's work a horrible lie, and then they demand access to it would you not tell them precisely where they could stuff their request?
Distind wrote:
But hey, when someone calls your life's work a horrible lie, and then they demand access to it would you not tell them precisely where they could stuff their request?
Because they are the shamans of the new church, they are not allowed to be human.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. Especially one that bashes Christians.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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fat_boy wrote:
And he is also a Christian
I've have never seen where he professed to be a Christian. I read one article where he said that he wasn't religious. Can you show me where he made that claim? Beyond that...
fat_boy wrote:
probably one of the reasons he feels that mankind is NOT part of nature, and thus must be punished for eating the apple.
I am not sure which religion believes that (if any), but it isn't Christianity.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit It's against my relationship to have a religion. Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
I am not sure which religion believes that (if any), but it isn't Christianity.
So eating the apple of th tree of knowledge and beingv thrown out of the garden of eden isnt a parable for man developing technology and distancing himself from nature?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Yeah, I was going to say all of this, but decided it was not worth bothering. The original comment showed a lack of interest in facts. Trying to defend facts in the face of hyperbole is a waste of time IMO.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
It is truly striking, to me, the similarities between chrisytanity and environmentalism in respect of their wview of mans knowledge and his position in nature/garden of eden. The reality is, ,that despite mand inteligence he is STILL part of nature. Many other animals use their environment intelligently, using tools, making homes. We are just may steps up that same ladder. Doesnt make us fundamentally different though.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Christian Graus wrote:
Especially one that bashes Christians
What happened to turning the other cheek? ;) I was only pointing out the obvious similarity between christianity and environmentalism.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
I was only pointing out the obvious similarity between christianity and environmentalism.
By disparaging both and lying ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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It is truly striking, to me, the similarities between chrisytanity and environmentalism in respect of their wview of mans knowledge and his position in nature/garden of eden. The reality is, ,that despite mand inteligence he is STILL part of nature. Many other animals use their environment intelligently, using tools, making homes. We are just may steps up that same ladder. Doesnt make us fundamentally different though.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
It is truly striking, to me, the similarities between chrisytanity and environmentalism in respect of their wview of mans knowledge and his position in nature/garden of eden.
This much is probably true. You just made the point badly, by saying something that is not true ( well, two things ).
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Especially one that bashes Christians
What happened to turning the other cheek? ;) I was only pointing out the obvious similarity between christianity and environmentalism.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I'm sorry...what similarities were you pointing out? You said something like he's a Christian and therefore feels he should be punished for eating the fruit... And FYI, Christianity for a long time...and in some circles still...is used as a basic for stripping the environment of all natural resources. Until about 10 years go, the long-standing opinion in Christian circles was that the earth belonged to humans to do with as we pleased. So saying that someone is a Christian (even when he says he's not religious) does not make him an environmentalist. Of course, what he says does. And were you implying that being either was a bad thing?
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I am not sure which religion believes that (if any), but it isn't Christianity.
So eating the apple of th tree of knowledge and beingv thrown out of the garden of eden isnt a parable for man developing technology and distancing himself from nature?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
In a word, I don't think so. Well, that's three words, but who's counting. Why would maintaining residence in Eden have precluded technological development?
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit It's against my relationship to have a religion. Me blog, You read
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I am not sure which religion believes that (if any), but it isn't Christianity.
So eating the apple of th tree of knowledge and beingv thrown out of the garden of eden isnt a parable for man developing technology and distancing himself from nature?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
So eating the apple of th tree of knowledge and beingv thrown out of the garden of eden isnt a parable for man developing technology and distancing himself from nature?
No, of course not. Nor is it the case that Christians think we need to be punished for it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Especially one that bashes Christians
What happened to turning the other cheek? ;) I was only pointing out the obvious similarity between christianity and environmentalism.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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In a word, I don't think so. Well, that's three words, but who's counting. Why would maintaining residence in Eden have precluded technological development?
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit It's against my relationship to have a religion. Me blog, You read
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I'm sorry...what similarities were you pointing out? You said something like he's a Christian and therefore feels he should be punished for eating the fruit... And FYI, Christianity for a long time...and in some circles still...is used as a basic for stripping the environment of all natural resources. Until about 10 years go, the long-standing opinion in Christian circles was that the earth belonged to humans to do with as we pleased. So saying that someone is a Christian (even when he says he's not religious) does not make him an environmentalist. Of course, what he says does. And were you implying that being either was a bad thing?
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In a word, I don't think so. Well, that's three words, but who's counting. Why would maintaining residence in Eden have precluded technological development?
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit It's against my relationship to have a religion. Me blog, You read
Man ate the apple, got the knowledge, got slung put of paradise. To have stayed in the garden would have meant remaining ignorant. Unless you have an entirely different understanding of the book of genesis.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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fat_boy wrote:
So eating the apple of th tree of knowledge and beingv thrown out of the garden of eden isnt a parable for man developing technology and distancing himself from nature?
No, of course not. Nor is it the case that Christians think we need to be punished for it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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DOes anyone know if the parlimentary inquiry came to any conclusion on this? I have been otherwise occupied for a month so havent kept up with the news. And yes, Lovelock IS anti human. He is clearly a fool. And he is also a Christian, probably one of the reasons he feels that mankind is NOT part of nature, and thus must be punished for eating the apple.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Man ate the apple, got the knowledge, got slung put of paradise. To have stayed in the garden would have meant remaining ignorant. Unless you have an entirely different understanding of the book of genesis.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
To have stayed in the garden would have meant remaining ignorant.
Ignorant of what? Eating of the tree had very specific ramifications. It was not the "cure" for ignorance about the environment and the use of technology to interact with it...at least IMHO. Sure there were things that became necessities because of the fall and technology was developed to meet those needs, but I don't think all technology is born of survival.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit It's against my relationship to have a religion. Me blog, You read
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fat_boy wrote:
To have stayed in the garden would have meant remaining ignorant.
Ignorant of what? Eating of the tree had very specific ramifications. It was not the "cure" for ignorance about the environment and the use of technology to interact with it...at least IMHO. Sure there were things that became necessities because of the fall and technology was developed to meet those needs, but I don't think all technology is born of survival.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit It's against my relationship to have a religion. Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
but I don't think all technology is born of survival.
Well Youtube is certainly one of those that isn't needed.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_