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A little lesson in Irony.

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  • D Distind

    Ok, I was busier than the blazes of hell yesterday, but I'm taking a second out of my morning to ask a question. If the cops coming to protect me from a violent assault isn't socialistic, why is getting treated by a doctor? Production, goods and services under governmental control or even regulation are socialism, it's not magically capitalism just because it doesn't feature tangible stuff. The USPS is socialism on a national level, same as the FBI, CIA, NSA and all branches of the military. All of them are intended to provide certain services to the American public, if they do or not is an entirely different matter. While I find stories of Pinkerton's amusing, we have replaced many private agencies with government controlled equivalents over the years. And that is still socialism, even if it's a service.

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    CaptainSeeSharp
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    Again distand, police, courts and military are not examples of socialism at work. They are standard government functions of ALL governments. America have been very socialist over the past 100 years, that is why this country is destroyed.

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      Bob Emmett wrote:

      : The Guardian headline James Lovelock: Humans are too stupid to prevent climate change is incorrect. I have read the transcript of the interview and nowhere does he make that remark. "Not yet clever enough", yes, but that carries an entirely different meaning.

      It used to say that. The stupid pos realized that he pissed way too many people off.

      Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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      Do you know what a transcript is?

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        Again distand, police, courts and military are not examples of socialism at work. They are standard government functions of ALL governments. America have been very socialist over the past 100 years, that is why this country is destroyed.

        Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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        Distind
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        They aren't actually functions of all governments, or at least not what we consider to be those things. See, ours are supposed to apply to everyone, equally. Which itself is rather socialist compared to other systems when ours was created. Generally in the past if you didn't hold value to the rulers, they simply left you to rot with no place in the system, no help from the system, and typically absolutely nothing more than what you could scrape from the earth, and they then took some of that from you using the very forces we're talking about. Edit: For note, see Somalia, libertarian paradise. And if we're so damn destroyed, why is it that we've hit the worst economic issues by dropping or not applying regulations? And if we're so destroyed why is it that some of the highest taxes in our history are associated with the time that so many idiots idealize?

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        • T Tim Craig

          What about a government that does any of the range services that most people expect of government isn't socialistic?

          You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

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          Distind
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          Wonderful question, I can't want to see CSS's explanation beyond it's what he thinks he's entitled to.

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          • C CaptainSeeSharp

            Bob Emmett wrote:

            * Back to Nature - insane

            I myself would like to own some land and have a farm, much like CG does.

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            * Carbon Offsetting - joke * Ethical Consumption - scam

            Joke, ripoff, scam, fraud, destructive.

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            * Green Lifestyle - ostentatious grand gesture

            It depends on whether that means decomposable computers that cost a million dollars. Let the free market decide.

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            * Nuclear Power - essential

            Absolutely, perhaps not essential but certainly useful.

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            * Recycling - waste of time and energy

            Only when it is not naturally profitable (AKA free market decides).

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            * Renewable Energy Subsidies - No! Rely on market forces

            Joke, ripoff, scam, fraud, destructive.

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            * Technology - more needed, not less

            Absolutely.

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            * Wind Power - waste of time

            Takes more than it gives.

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            dan sh
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            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

            Bob Emmett wrote: * Wind Power - waste of time Takes more than it gives.

            What!? Generating wind is not a step when it comes to using wind power, or is it?

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            • D Distind

              They aren't actually functions of all governments, or at least not what we consider to be those things. See, ours are supposed to apply to everyone, equally. Which itself is rather socialist compared to other systems when ours was created. Generally in the past if you didn't hold value to the rulers, they simply left you to rot with no place in the system, no help from the system, and typically absolutely nothing more than what you could scrape from the earth, and they then took some of that from you using the very forces we're talking about. Edit: For note, see Somalia, libertarian paradise. And if we're so damn destroyed, why is it that we've hit the worst economic issues by dropping or not applying regulations? And if we're so destroyed why is it that some of the highest taxes in our history are associated with the time that so many idiots idealize?

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              CaptainSeeSharp
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              Your problem is that you don't know the definition of socialism and you take everything out of context. You are a lost cause.

              Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                Bob Emmett wrote: * Wind Power - waste of time Takes more than it gives.

                What!? Generating wind is not a step when it comes to using wind power, or is it?

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                CaptainSeeSharp
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                d@nish wrote:

                What!?

                It takes a lot land, resources, and energy to produce and maintain windmills, and they do not produce much electricity and wind is not constant. In the old days windmills would be used by farmers to mill their grains, and it would take more or less time to mill his grain depending on the weather, but it was easier than doing it by hand. Windmills can't power modern civilization, but they can still be used by small farmers off the grid for small tasks such as milling grain or powering a radio.

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                  Your problem is that you don't know the definition of socialism and you take everything out of context. You are a lost cause.

                  Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                  Distind
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                  Maybe I'll check the transcript of this conversation and see if that's true.

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                  • D Distind

                    Wonderful question, I can't want to see CSS's explanation beyond it's what he thinks he's entitled to.

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                    Gonzoox
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                    I don't think he will answer this one, it's way too complicated and he doesn't have thoughts of his own, if Ron Paul (or whatever is his name) didn't say it, he doesn't know it.

                    I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!

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                    • C CaptainSeeSharp

                      Bob Emmett wrote:

                      : The Guardian headline James Lovelock: Humans are too stupid to prevent climate change is incorrect. I have read the transcript of the interview and nowhere does he make that remark. "Not yet clever enough", yes, but that carries an entirely different meaning.

                      It used to say that. The stupid pos realized that he pissed way too many people off.

                      Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                      Lost User
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                      Let me explain: Newspaper headlines are written by sub-editors to grab attention. The Guardian's sub-editor thought that Humans are too stupid to prevent climate change was more attention-grabbing than what James Lovelock actually said. Got it now?

                      Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.

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                      • C CaptainSeeSharp

                        Distind wrote:

                        What about that isn't socialist? Quote Selected Text

                        Once again here is the official definition of socialism. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism[^] 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done. Now tell me how courts are an example of socialism. Courts are an example of standard government function.

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                        Christian Graus
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                        CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                        Now tell me how courts are an example of socialism.

                        Why don't you start by explaining again how the US government is socialist, so we can be reminded of the inventive word games you will accept when they support your delusion ?

                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                          d@nish wrote:

                          What!?

                          It takes a lot land, resources, and energy to produce and maintain windmills, and they do not produce much electricity and wind is not constant. In the old days windmills would be used by farmers to mill their grains, and it would take more or less time to mill his grain depending on the weather, but it was easier than doing it by hand. Windmills can't power modern civilization, but they can still be used by small farmers off the grid for small tasks such as milling grain or powering a radio.

                          Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                          wind is not constant.

                          Stand outside my bathroom at 06:30!

                          It's time for a new signature.

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                            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                            Now tell me how courts are an example of socialism.

                            Why don't you start by explaining again how the US government is socialist, so we can be reminded of the inventive word games you will accept when they support your delusion ?

                            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                            wolfbinary
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                            Sometimes you get so testy with him. I think its funny at times. By the way what time is it there? It's 2:50pm here. Just curious. :)

                            That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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                              Sometimes you get so testy with him. I think its funny at times. By the way what time is it there? It's 2:50pm here. Just curious. :)

                              That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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                              Christian Graus
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                              I just remember past discussions and require him to be consistent in the rules he employs between them. 7:15 am here.

                              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                              • C CaptainSeeSharp

                                d@nish wrote:

                                What!?

                                It takes a lot land, resources, and energy to produce and maintain windmills, and they do not produce much electricity and wind is not constant. In the old days windmills would be used by farmers to mill their grains, and it would take more or less time to mill his grain depending on the weather, but it was easier than doing it by hand. Windmills can't power modern civilization, but they can still be used by small farmers off the grid for small tasks such as milling grain or powering a radio.

                                Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]

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                                Gonzoox
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                                I have to agree but not completely, before they even go out to put windmills they do some research and look for the best place to put them and there only few places where wind is constant, but yes, CSS is right, windmills can't power modern civilization, an alternative has to be found, or actually they found it, it is everywhere, but the process to contain it in a safe and cheap way is still in development, hydrogen, also the process to "create" it is still too expensive. But one day, we will get rid of those horrid and dangerous nuclear plants that are sitting there waiting to create a disaster and get rid of oil and its pollution.

                                I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!

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                                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                  wind is not constant.

                                  Stand outside my bathroom at 06:30!

                                  It's time for a new signature.

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                                  dan sh
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                                  :laugh:

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                                  • R ragnaroknrol

                                    Lunaticfringe posted a message a few days ago about that "militia" that was planning on being cop killers because the New World Order controlled all federal and local forms of government. One thing I did notice when I was reading the article on them was their current situation. You see, none of them have attorneys. So a group that believes all forms of socialism are an attempt by a secret society controlling local governments is using a court appointed lawyer. (for the IQ impaired: The lawyer is paid for by the government that is oppressing them.)

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                                    Lost User
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                                    So ironic it's rusty!

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