Free markets
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I'm reading an interesting book on how free market ideas have made Australia poor and incapable of making much of anything. Obvioulsy the US is more of a basket case than we are. The book is suggesting that we're worse off than I'd have thought, tho. Obviously, I am not assuming this book is 100% right, but it's an interesting read.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I'm reading an interesting book on how free market ideas have made Australia poor and incapable of making much of anything. Obvioulsy the US is more of a basket case than we are. The book is suggesting that we're worse off than I'd have thought, tho. Obviously, I am not assuming this book is 100% right, but it's an interesting read.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Australia has a varied economy Sheep Wool Boomerangs Crap Beer (that seems to sell well!) Tourism Sport Banking What ever would you have without capitalism?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Australia has a varied economy Sheep Wool Boomerangs Crap Beer (that seems to sell well!) Tourism Sport Banking What ever would you have without capitalism?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
ROTFL !!! The point of the book is not anti capitalism, so much as being pro tariffs to protect local industry.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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ROTFL !!! The point of the book is not anti capitalism, so much as being pro tariffs to protect local industry.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
pro tariffs to protect local industry
Perhaps a double-edged sword?
Well, I am sure if we had tariffs to protect local industry, it would stifle competition where one company has a local monopoly, and I'm sure that our standard of living would drop if it was not built on the blood of 8 year old kids who are currently making our Nikes. Is that what you meant ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Well, I am sure if we had tariffs to protect local industry, it would stifle competition where one company has a local monopoly, and I'm sure that our standard of living would drop if it was not built on the blood of 8 year old kids who are currently making our Nikes. Is that what you meant ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Tariffs may help your local industry until your competitor countries do a little bit of tit-for-tat then you may be worse off than you was beforehand.
I guess that depends, in the first instance, on how many things you need and cannot source locally. Do you need them more than they need you ? I am not saying that I agree 100%, but I do see that our economy is based on nothing, because we don't make anything, and I don't see how that's a viable long term plan.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I guess that depends, in the first instance, on how many things you need and cannot source locally. Do you need them more than they need you ? I am not saying that I agree 100%, but I do see that our economy is based on nothing, because we don't make anything, and I don't see how that's a viable long term plan.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I guess that depends, in the first instance, on how many things you need and cannot source locally. Do you need them more than they need you ?
You could indeed put a tariff on some goods made in China, but what if they responded by placing tariffs on some of your important Chinese exports. You need to measure, as a country, not as "local community", what you might gain from what you might lose. And that could be a recipe for greater numbers of unemployed and added fiscal pressures on your nations' Treasury that could see a rate hike in taxes you pay.
Christian Graus wrote:
our economy is based on nothing, because we don't make anything
I know that in Australia there is a thriving IT industry. I know you have recently sealed major industrial deals with China. But, are you are telling me that you have no mid to heavy industry at all? Or no manufacturing industry that is selling to the World? Unbelievable !!!!
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Christian Graus wrote:
I guess that depends, in the first instance, on how many things you need and cannot source locally. Do you need them more than they need you ?
You could indeed put a tariff on some goods made in China, but what if they responded by placing tariffs on some of your important Chinese exports. You need to measure, as a country, not as "local community", what you might gain from what you might lose. And that could be a recipe for greater numbers of unemployed and added fiscal pressures on your nations' Treasury that could see a rate hike in taxes you pay.
Christian Graus wrote:
our economy is based on nothing, because we don't make anything
I know that in Australia there is a thriving IT industry. I know you have recently sealed major industrial deals with China. But, are you are telling me that you have no mid to heavy industry at all? Or no manufacturing industry that is selling to the World? Unbelievable !!!!
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------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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I guess that depends, in the first instance, on how many things you need and cannot source locally. Do you need them more than they need you ? I am not saying that I agree 100%, but I do see that our economy is based on nothing, because we don't make anything, and I don't see how that's a viable long term plan.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
we don't make anything,
But it is not necessary to be a manufacturer to contribute to an economy. At the simplest you can sell services (dump your nuclear waste here!) and we do produce coal, iron, sheep, cattle and pavlova!
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Christian Graus wrote:
we don't make anything,
But it is not necessary to be a manufacturer to contribute to an economy. At the simplest you can sell services (dump your nuclear waste here!) and we do produce coal, iron, sheep, cattle and pavlova!
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And Opals and Uranium and Diamonds. Not to mention worlds biggest exporter of coal, Then there is bio-engineering and wine, tin and nickel, and the music industry is quite large.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Christian Graus wrote:
I guess that depends, in the first instance, on how many things you need and cannot source locally. Do you need them more than they need you ?
You could indeed put a tariff on some goods made in China, but what if they responded by placing tariffs on some of your important Chinese exports. You need to measure, as a country, not as "local community", what you might gain from what you might lose. And that could be a recipe for greater numbers of unemployed and added fiscal pressures on your nations' Treasury that could see a rate hike in taxes you pay.
Christian Graus wrote:
our economy is based on nothing, because we don't make anything
I know that in Australia there is a thriving IT industry. I know you have recently sealed major industrial deals with China. But, are you are telling me that you have no mid to heavy industry at all? Or no manufacturing industry that is selling to the World? Unbelievable !!!!
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
You could indeed put a tariff on some goods made in China, but what if they responded by placing tariffs on some of your important Chinese exports. You need to measure, as a country, not as "local community", what you might gain from what you might lose.
Of course, now that we've thrown away our ability to make our own things, and become reliant on China, that's a big issue. There was a time when it was a non issue.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
I know that in Australia there is a thriving IT industry.
Yes, I believe so.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
I know you have recently sealed major industrial deals with China.
Yes, we are selling steel and other resources as fast as we can. The issue is that that is not sustainable, and we choose not to add value to our core materials.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
But, are you are telling me that you have no mid to heavy industry at all? Or no manufacturing industry that is selling to the World? Unbelievable !!!!
I suspect that would be an exaggeration to say we had none, I know we make chocolate locally ( from imported ingredients ), although that factory is closing. Our wool factories have closed, locally. Our car industry has some support, and 99% of big cars sold here, are made here. But, it's definitely less and less, and has been for a long time.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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And Opals and Uranium and Diamonds. Not to mention worlds biggest exporter of coal, Then there is bio-engineering and wine, tin and nickel, and the music industry is quite large.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
We make nickel locally, I believe. Exporting coal isn't really something that creates jobs, or adds value. Nothing wrong with it, but it's not adding value. We have diamonds ? The music industry is in a mess. Record shops are closing everywhere. Live venues are doing OK, at least in my observation.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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We make nickel locally, I believe. Exporting coal isn't really something that creates jobs, or adds value. Nothing wrong with it, but it's not adding value. We have diamonds ? The music industry is in a mess. Record shops are closing everywhere. Live venues are doing OK, at least in my observation.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Exporting coal isn't really something that creates jobs
Well, there's the miners, the transport companies, the infrastructure around mining towns - they're all jobs that wouldn't exist if there wasn't a market for the coal. I agree about the music industry, though. The problem as I see it is as music moves toward the net, it becomes far less local - a band's potential market increases but so does the size of the competition. Thank god for things like JJJ unearthed, I say!
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Christian Graus wrote:
Exporting coal isn't really something that creates jobs
Well, there's the miners, the transport companies, the infrastructure around mining towns - they're all jobs that wouldn't exist if there wasn't a market for the coal. I agree about the music industry, though. The problem as I see it is as music moves toward the net, it becomes far less local - a band's potential market increases but so does the size of the competition. Thank god for things like JJJ unearthed, I say!
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Well, there's obviously SOME jobs in it, what I mean is, a value adding industry will indirectly employ those people, as well as directly employing many more. Making a dress is a lot more work than running the machine that picks the cotton.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I'm reading an interesting book on how free market ideas have made Australia poor and incapable of making much of anything. Obvioulsy the US is more of a basket case than we are. The book is suggesting that we're worse off than I'd have thought, tho. Obviously, I am not assuming this book is 100% right, but it's an interesting read.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
High taxes and excessive government regulations stifle your economy, not free markets. Industry goes to where it can operate with the least resistance.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
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High taxes and excessive government regulations stifle your economy, not free markets. Industry goes to where it can operate with the least resistance.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
High taxes and excessive government regulations stifle your economy, not free markets.
Be quiet. The adults are having a conversation.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Industry goes to where it can operate with the least resistance.
You mean resistance in the form of things like labor laws that stop the exploitation of children, and environmental laws that stop corporations destroying the earth ? Probably.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
High taxes and excessive government regulations stifle your economy, not free markets.
Be quiet. The adults are having a conversation.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Industry goes to where it can operate with the least resistance.
You mean resistance in the form of things like labor laws that stop the exploitation of children, and environmental laws that stop corporations destroying the earth ? Probably.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Be quiet. The adults are having a conversation.
Where? All I see are retards.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
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Christian Graus wrote:
Be quiet. The adults are having a conversation.
Where? All I see are retards.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
ROTFL !!!! That just shows what a poor judge of character you are.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
High taxes and excessive government regulations stifle your economy, not free markets.
Be quiet. The adults are having a conversation.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Industry goes to where it can operate with the least resistance.
You mean resistance in the form of things like labor laws that stop the exploitation of children, and environmental laws that stop corporations destroying the earth ? Probably.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I know he has issues, but this was a rational response. Those need to be encouraged, not discouraged. ;P
Christian Graus wrote:
You mean resistance in the form of things like labor laws that stop the exploitation of children, and environmental laws that stop corporations destroying the earth ?
:doh: No, I think he means China. The PRC. The worker's paradise. The one place on Earth socialism works. :rolleyes:
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