Global government #2
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fat_boy wrote:
Is that because of your religious views?
I guess. Given that I believe God is needed to create life, I don't think the 'odds are inevitable' argument works. I'm not saying they don't exist, I just doubt they do. Certainly, if they exist and have not been here yet, if they come at all, it proves they've only just managed to work out how to do it.
fat_boy wrote:
That also helps. It caused the EU to come into existance.
Did it ? I thought they did it b/c of the end of the cold war, and so they could compete with the US ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Did it ?
Yep. It started out as a tying together of French and Germand steel and coal industries (since the steel and coal region, the saar, had been the cause of much fighting for almost a century). Tying them together guaranteed mutual bankrupcy in the case of war.
Christian Graus wrote:
end of the cold war
Fuck me. The EU has been going for a lot longer than that!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Whether anyone dislikes it or not, it is going to happen one day. The quesiton is how fast, not if. Its as inevitable as the first animals forming a pack. Any discovery of alien species, and or contact with them in any way will of course speed up the process.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Won't happen, at most I figure a United Nations with gradually more power and control but there will always be a strong dissenting group. Even with external intervention I don't think the race can or will unite under one ideal. I think the best solution is to get off the planet, move into space where possible. I do wonder how long it will take us to set up a viable community in space, assuming there is not a physiological gotcha that will rule it out.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Christian Graus wrote:
Did it ?
Yep. It started out as a tying together of French and Germand steel and coal industries (since the steel and coal region, the saar, had been the cause of much fighting for almost a century). Tying them together guaranteed mutual bankrupcy in the case of war.
Christian Graus wrote:
end of the cold war
Fuck me. The EU has been going for a lot longer than that!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
f*** me. The EU has been going for a lot longer than that!
Really ? I didn't know that at all. I only got to know about it with the Euro being introduced, I guess.
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Won't happen, at most I figure a United Nations with gradually more power and control but there will always be a strong dissenting group. Even with external intervention I don't think the race can or will unite under one ideal. I think the best solution is to get off the planet, move into space where possible. I do wonder how long it will take us to set up a viable community in space, assuming there is not a physiological gotcha that will rule it out.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
I do wonder how long it will take us to set up a viable community in space
Never going to happen. It's a pipe dream. No planet close enough has any sort of useful resources to make it viable.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
I do wonder how long it will take us to set up a viable community in space
Never going to happen. It's a pipe dream. No planet close enough has any sort of useful resources to make it viable.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I am kind of with you on this. Its only lack of resources that will push us into space, and we stil have plenty on earth to go yet. Mining communities wil be first, pretty much like what we did when we first moved on a large scale to the Americas, but it needs to be driven by wealth and demand.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
I do wonder how long it will take us to set up a viable community in space
Never going to happen. It's a pipe dream. No planet close enough has any sort of useful resources to make it viable.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
We say that now, but in 50 years? 100 years? Assuming humanity lives that long, 1000 years? We cannot even guess how far advanced the technology would have progressed [or regressed]. It might come as a NEED to get off the planet due to the in-existence of resources. I dream about getting off of this rock, but I'm just speculating.
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We say that now, but in 50 years? 100 years? Assuming humanity lives that long, 1000 years? We cannot even guess how far advanced the technology would have progressed [or regressed]. It might come as a NEED to get off the planet due to the in-existence of resources. I dream about getting off of this rock, but I'm just speculating.
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fat_boy wrote:
Any discovery of alien species, and or contact with them in any way will of course speed up the process.
Perhaps. But, I don't believe that will ever happen, and if it does, odds are they'll arrive in ships not much better than our space shuttles, relatively speaking. They are not going to show up in a Millenium Falcon with laser guns, and proceed to solve our energy problems and usher in a golden age for man.
fat_boy wrote:
Whether anyone dislikes it or not, it is going to happen one day.
Well, I think it would take a big war to do it. Until then, few countries will surrender their sovereignty as quickly as CSS thinks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Perhaps. But, I don't believe that will ever happen, and if it does, odds are they'll arrive in ships not much better than our space shuttles, relatively speaking. They are not going to show up in a Millenium Falcon with laser guns, and proceed to solve our energy problems and usher in a golden age for man.
You misunderstand the reason aliens would unite us. Even if they're friendly or primitive, their existence would have a profound psychological effect on us. If the human race KNEW there was another type of being out there (Which would of course suggest the existence of more), it would bring us together as a species. We have a natural tendency to divide things into "Us" and "Them." White and black, male and female, Axis and Allies, Religious and Non-religious, Capitalists and Communists, etc etc... The existence of aliens would be the ultimate "Them," hence making the entire human race "Us." Imagine that... If suddenly we made contact with an alien race, we might start seeing each other as fellow human beings, instead of subdividing.
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We say that now, but in 50 years? 100 years? Assuming humanity lives that long, 1000 years? We cannot even guess how far advanced the technology would have progressed [or regressed]. It might come as a NEED to get off the planet due to the in-existence of resources. I dream about getting off of this rock, but I'm just speculating.
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I hate to think it will take another 50-100 years, I am really pissed that the US pulled it's head in after the moon landings. We should have communities up there now with 20 years of experience under their belt.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
I do wonder how long it will take us to set up a viable community in space
Never going to happen. It's a pipe dream. No planet close enough has any sort of useful resources to make it viable.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
It's a pipe dream
I'm happy pondering my pipe dream, we should already have 20 years experience with space/moon habitats. I like to think there will be some commercial driver, other than mineral wealth, that will justify the investement to get a proper habitat going. When Armstrong stepped out I had fond dreams that maybe it would happen in my life time but I guess not.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Christian Graus wrote:
I don't believe that will ever happen
Is that because of your religious views? The fact that enough ellements came togther to form life on THIS planet merely increases the chances of it happening on another. It would be VERY unllikely that life didnt exist elsewhere in the universe.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, I think it would take a big war to do it
That also helps. It caused the EU to come into existance.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Christian Graus wrote: Well, I think it would take a big war to do it That also helps. It caused the EU to come into existance.
are you sure that was NATO? as the EU (yes i did google it) started in 1958! But the likes of the UK didn't join til 78
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Whether anyone dislikes it or not, it is going to happen one day. The quesiton is how fast, not if. Its as inevitable as the first animals forming a pack. Any discovery of alien species, and or contact with them in any way will of course speed up the process.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I think I agree with you that one day there will be a global government, but what will cause the creation of it or when its unknown to me, the first step will be to have all human races united in a single language, then working together.
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
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Whether anyone dislikes it or not, it is going to happen one day. The quesiton is how fast, not if. Its as inevitable as the first animals forming a pack. Any discovery of alien species, and or contact with them in any way will of course speed up the process.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Whether anyone dislikes it or not, it is going to happen one day. The quesiton is how fast, not if. Its as inevitable as the first animals forming a pack. Any discovery of alien species, and or contact with them in any way will of course speed up the process.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
It will be hell on earth. Anyone in the right mind would not give power to control the planet to any group of people, what kind of fucking moron would you be? The next generation of sheep.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
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Christian Graus wrote:
Perhaps. But, I don't believe that will ever happen, and if it does, odds are they'll arrive in ships not much better than our space shuttles, relatively speaking. They are not going to show up in a Millenium Falcon with laser guns, and proceed to solve our energy problems and usher in a golden age for man.
You misunderstand the reason aliens would unite us. Even if they're friendly or primitive, their existence would have a profound psychological effect on us. If the human race KNEW there was another type of being out there (Which would of course suggest the existence of more), it would bring us together as a species. We have a natural tendency to divide things into "Us" and "Them." White and black, male and female, Axis and Allies, Religious and Non-religious, Capitalists and Communists, etc etc... The existence of aliens would be the ultimate "Them," hence making the entire human race "Us." Imagine that... If suddenly we made contact with an alien race, we might start seeing each other as fellow human beings, instead of subdividing.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
It will be hell on earth. Anyone in the right mind would not give power to control the planet to any group of people, what kind of fucking moron would you be? The next generation of sheep.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
now now, the adults are exchanging points of view, no one has been violent and we agree or disagree, that's how adults behave, we don't insult others and we respect the points of view even if we don't agree with them, so if you can't do that go back to your basement and stay there until we call you again
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
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It will be hell on earth. Anyone in the right mind would not give power to control the planet to any group of people, what kind of fucking moron would you be? The next generation of sheep.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
At what scale does it become a bad idea to give someone control in your opinion? Anarchy is untenable, a single global government is quite unlikely to work, or at least do anything and remain in power. Where would you put the middle ground? I've spent some time thinking about it myself and I've come up with a clear 'damned if I know'.
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fat_boy wrote:
Christian Graus wrote: Well, I think it would take a big war to do it That also helps. It caused the EU to come into existance.
are you sure that was NATO? as the EU (yes i did google it) started in 1958! But the likes of the UK didn't join til 78
Simon_Whale wrote:
But the likes of the UK didn't join til 78
As I recall, they had to wait until de Gaulle died so they'd be allowed to join.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Perhaps. But, I don't believe that will ever happen, and if it does, odds are they'll arrive in ships not much better than our space shuttles, relatively speaking. They are not going to show up in a Millenium Falcon with laser guns, and proceed to solve our energy problems and usher in a golden age for man.
You misunderstand the reason aliens would unite us. Even if they're friendly or primitive, their existence would have a profound psychological effect on us. If the human race KNEW there was another type of being out there (Which would of course suggest the existence of more), it would bring us together as a species. We have a natural tendency to divide things into "Us" and "Them." White and black, male and female, Axis and Allies, Religious and Non-religious, Capitalists and Communists, etc etc... The existence of aliens would be the ultimate "Them," hence making the entire human race "Us." Imagine that... If suddenly we made contact with an alien race, we might start seeing each other as fellow human beings, instead of subdividing.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Even if they're friendly or primitive, their existence would have a profound psychological effect on us. If the human race KNEW there was another type of being out there (Which would of course suggest the existence of more), it would bring us together as a species.
I disagree. If they are NOT primitive, they are probably here already. And if they are here already, odds are good they would see us as either cattle or slaves. Either way, the odds of them uniting us, assume the same basic human urges and sense of reason that should have ended all wars by now.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Imagine that... If suddenly we made contact with an alien race, we might start seeing each other as fellow human beings, instead of subdividing.
I've heard similar pipe dreams that did not pan out. I'm sorry, I don't have enough faith in the human race to agree with you.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I hate to think it will take another 50-100 years, I am really pissed that the US pulled it's head in after the moon landings. We should have communities up there now with 20 years of experience under their belt.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
I guarentee you that this is evidence of the fact that going to the moon is far from profitable.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.