Bleat bleat bleat, my names Christian, the un Christian, who wants the have nots to keep on having not
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I would say "Hmm you are probably right, but he will soon grow out of it". Actually, the truth is Far Worse! He is Left Wing, almost socialist, I am seriously hoping he will grow out of that ASAP!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
OhmygodIagreewithyouthatstotallyawfulhealsotortureskittensandpuppiescanIhavethemoneynow?
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OhmygodIagreewithyouthatstotallyawfulhealsotortureskittensandpuppiescanIhavethemoneynow?
No, but I will be supportive of your intentions to educate and improve yourself. Then you can look after me in my dotage.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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No, but I will be supportive of your intentions to educate and improve yourself. Then you can look after me in my dotage.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
No, but I will be supportive of your intentions to educate and improve yourself.
Educate, yes, but improve? :laugh:
Dalek Dave wrote:
Then you can look after me in my dotage.
Ah, ahah, no.
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Hi, my name is David and I worked hard at school. I went to college and to university, then did time in the army and took a junior accounts position so that I could learn the trade. I worked my way up, via various junior clerical to senior clerical to junior management positions, then I gave that up and worked for a firm of accountants for 4 years as an auditor so that I could gain my professional qualifications, the I went back into the business side. I am now a company accountant who is also doing a degree in life sciences for no other reason than I like learning. I also have spent my own time and money investing in new tech skills, I paid for a programming course out of MY salary, an d used MY time in which to learn and acquire new skills. At the end of it I have found myself to be very lucky, somehow someone offered me a job with good salary good location and a senior position. Gosh, I wonder how that came about? I must have just been born lucky. Oh no, wait, SHEER HARD BLOODY WORK! That's what did it. I didn't slope off school and hang around with the 'cool' kids when I was at school, I didn't wank over how life was really unfair, I knew life was unfair and knew that learning and working was the only way to success. Now I have success, I have my own home, several cars, a great wife and a generous income. I travel the world, do mad and wierd things and have little worries. I too will be buying a second property soon, because I want security and a private income. So what, I have earned it, so too has Christian. Your post is that of the Politics of Envy. If you work hard and save and go without you too could have these things. The secret of getting something is to want it enough. Don't eat steak, eat beans, and soon the money is there. I did it, CG did it, are we all wankers? or just hard workers who have knuckled down and got on with it?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
I went to college and to university, then did time in the army and took a junior accounts position so that I could learn the trade.
Question, as this may be a very different situation in the states, exactly how did you manage to afford this? Personally, the only reason I managed to get into school, thus getting into a position where I have a realistic chance for advancement is because I was born into a family with enough money to put me through school. Otherwise I'd at best have a community college degree in something that'd be far less useful than the degree I have now, and given how motivated I was most of my life, odds are I wouldn't have managed that. I'm still in the hole, but I was at least able to get loans to cover the difference. Without my family I probably wouldn't have.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I went to college and to university, then did time in the army and took a junior accounts position so that I could learn the trade.
Question, as this may be a very different situation in the states, exactly how did you manage to afford this? Personally, the only reason I managed to get into school, thus getting into a position where I have a realistic chance for advancement is because I was born into a family with enough money to put me through school. Otherwise I'd at best have a community college degree in something that'd be far less useful than the degree I have now, and given how motivated I was most of my life, odds are I wouldn't have managed that. I'm still in the hole, but I was at least able to get loans to cover the difference. Without my family I probably wouldn't have.
School and College are free, that gets you to the A-Level stage, after that Uni. In my day Uni was free if you did not have rich parents, and a sliding scale of grants available if the were not entirely poor. The very poor got in and got free education, it was done on academic ability, not cash. Changed since, you get a loan from the Govt to be repaid once you start earning later. I got paid to join the Army though, and did all the courses I could get hold of in there. Afterwards I was paid as a trainee accountant, but not very much, thats the way it is though.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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No, but I will be supportive of your intentions to educate and improve yourself. Then you can look after me in my dotage.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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No, but I will be supportive of your intentions to educate and improve yourself. Then you can look after me in my dotage.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
Then you can look after me in my dotage.
That's what, next week? ;)
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Mr Graus here, I have LOTS of money. So much in fact that I am going to buy ANOTHER house when prices drop, which I want them to, so I can make even more nonexistant wealth based on debt and speculation, just like I did with my existing pile of stone. And anyone who hasnt got a house FUCK OFF! You cant have mine! I might rent you my other one when I buy it, after I have converted it onto a set of rabbit hutches unfit for human habitation and scew you for exorbitant rent money because banks wont give you any HA HA! I am not a Christian, but I considder myself far more concerned with the plight of people forced to live in shitty housing (like flats in converted houses without propper noise insulation, and no where for the kids to play) than it appears Christians do. No. Make it a right for a family to have a home suitable for a family.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Make it a right for a family to have a home suitable for a family.
Agreed!!! but not for free, there are a few things that I would say need to be for free, education so you can have opportunities in the future to get a good job, have the skills, etc, health care/social security, so you don't have to worry if you fall ill one day... besides that, you need to pay for whatever else you want, the government should be a tool to make people get suitable homes to live, but never the government be a tool to get free homes for everyone, that's a mistake. If you're lazy, looking for a job giving excuses that things are very hard, you think you deserve a management position but you hardly have middle school, well, you don't deserve the same as me, that I worked my ass out to get a degree, certifications, experience.
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
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No. It is good for providing information, but physics is a hands on science, although this is usually after the maths has been worked out. Always best to learn the rudiments in a college or uni. Up to degree level, you are best off with tutors and experiments, discussions and literature, rather than just cold facts. Also, learning to dovetail knowledge across several learning regimes is good practice.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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fat_boy wrote:
Make it a right for a family to have a home suitable for a family.
Agreed!!! but not for free, there are a few things that I would say need to be for free, education so you can have opportunities in the future to get a good job, have the skills, etc, health care/social security, so you don't have to worry if you fall ill one day... besides that, you need to pay for whatever else you want, the government should be a tool to make people get suitable homes to live, but never the government be a tool to get free homes for everyone, that's a mistake. If you're lazy, looking for a job giving excuses that things are very hard, you think you deserve a management position but you hardly have middle school, well, you don't deserve the same as me, that I worked my ass out to get a degree, certifications, experience.
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
Gonzoox wrote:
I worked my ass out to get a degree, certifications, experience.
And your reward for that is the better standard of living than if you pissed your life away and did bugger all.
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Gonzoox wrote:
I worked my ass out to get a degree, certifications, experience.
And your reward for that is the better standard of living than if you pissed your life away and did bugger all.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
that why I said I agree that every person should deserve a decent home, but not for free. The government should not provide free housing to people, just the tools, education, social security
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
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Mr Graus here, I have LOTS of money. So much in fact that I am going to buy ANOTHER house when prices drop, which I want them to, so I can make even more nonexistant wealth based on debt and speculation, just like I did with my existing pile of stone. And anyone who hasnt got a house FUCK OFF! You cant have mine! I might rent you my other one when I buy it, after I have converted it onto a set of rabbit hutches unfit for human habitation and scew you for exorbitant rent money because banks wont give you any HA HA! I am not a Christian, but I considder myself far more concerned with the plight of people forced to live in shitty housing (like flats in converted houses without propper noise insulation, and no where for the kids to play) than it appears Christians do. No. Make it a right for a family to have a home suitable for a family.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Make it a right for a family to have a home suitable for a family.
Bullshit. Generally people have a responsibility to ensure they can provide for a family before creating one. We would have liked to have children sooner but we choose to delay it so she could keep working and we could build up our savings. That's allowed her to remain a full time mum for almost two years rather than our son being stuck in day care from three months old.
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fat_boy wrote:
Make it a right for a family to have a home suitable for a family.
Bullshit. Generally people have a responsibility to ensure they can provide for a family before creating one. We would have liked to have children sooner but we choose to delay it so she could keep working and we could build up our savings. That's allowed her to remain a full time mum for almost two years rather than our son being stuck in day care from three months old.
Agreed. Children are a priveledge, not a right. If you cannot afford to bring another mouth into the world, you shouldn't be so irresponsible to do so.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Agreed. Children are a priveledge, not a right. If you cannot afford to bring another mouth into the world, you shouldn't be so irresponsible to do so.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Be careful, here is where CSS will jump in and say you're trying to depopulate the world... that you have the intelligence of a monkey and blah blah blah, who cares about responsibility according to him.
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
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Mr Graus here, I have LOTS of money. So much in fact that I am going to buy ANOTHER house when prices drop, which I want them to, so I can make even more nonexistant wealth based on debt and speculation, just like I did with my existing pile of stone. And anyone who hasnt got a house FUCK OFF! You cant have mine! I might rent you my other one when I buy it, after I have converted it onto a set of rabbit hutches unfit for human habitation and scew you for exorbitant rent money because banks wont give you any HA HA! I am not a Christian, but I considder myself far more concerned with the plight of people forced to live in shitty housing (like flats in converted houses without propper noise insulation, and no where for the kids to play) than it appears Christians do. No. Make it a right for a family to have a home suitable for a family.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Brilliant work. You take an email from a single person, totally misrepresent what he said, and use that to justify your claim that you are more concerned about the plight of others than Christians are. Are you sure your real name isn't CSS?
It's time for a new signature.
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Be careful, here is where CSS will jump in and say you're trying to depopulate the world... that you have the intelligence of a monkey and blah blah blah, who cares about responsibility according to him.
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
Nah, he won't start posting for another hour or two, I think... Unless he started waking up before noon. EDIT: See? :)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)modified on Monday, April 26, 2010 12:39 PM
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Mr Graus here, I have LOTS of money. So much in fact that I am going to buy ANOTHER house when prices drop, which I want them to, so I can make even more nonexistant wealth based on debt and speculation, just like I did with my existing pile of stone. And anyone who hasnt got a house FUCK OFF! You cant have mine! I might rent you my other one when I buy it, after I have converted it onto a set of rabbit hutches unfit for human habitation and scew you for exorbitant rent money because banks wont give you any HA HA! I am not a Christian, but I considder myself far more concerned with the plight of people forced to live in shitty housing (like flats in converted houses without propper noise insulation, and no where for the kids to play) than it appears Christians do. No. Make it a right for a family to have a home suitable for a family.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Make it a right for a family to have a home suitable for a family.
If someone is a competent parent, possibly. If they had to acquire a license to have a kid, I'd probably go with it as we're taking steps to ensure the family has a decent base already. But no way am I backing some of the idiots I grew up with getting a free house because they're to stupid to use a condom. Of course, none of this deals with the fact housing prices have become absolutely obscene and for some reason people expect them to stay there. I make about as much as my parents do, just out of school. I can't afford a house around here that doesn't have bullet holes in it(no, I'm not joking, I've counted a few). And I don't have the slightest clue why, none of the places are all that nice, there's no great location to it, it just seems to be unmitigated greed. Oh, and for those who are going to use the phrase 'market forces' I'll note that the only homes that have gone off the market near me in the last two years where those that people gave up selling. Market forces seem to indicate things are far to expensive, not that anyone cares when they list their place.
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Hi, my name is David and I worked hard at school. I went to college and to university, then did time in the army and took a junior accounts position so that I could learn the trade. I worked my way up, via various junior clerical to senior clerical to junior management positions, then I gave that up and worked for a firm of accountants for 4 years as an auditor so that I could gain my professional qualifications, the I went back into the business side. I am now a company accountant who is also doing a degree in life sciences for no other reason than I like learning. I also have spent my own time and money investing in new tech skills, I paid for a programming course out of MY salary, an d used MY time in which to learn and acquire new skills. At the end of it I have found myself to be very lucky, somehow someone offered me a job with good salary good location and a senior position. Gosh, I wonder how that came about? I must have just been born lucky. Oh no, wait, SHEER HARD BLOODY WORK! That's what did it. I didn't slope off school and hang around with the 'cool' kids when I was at school, I didn't wank over how life was really unfair, I knew life was unfair and knew that learning and working was the only way to success. Now I have success, I have my own home, several cars, a great wife and a generous income. I travel the world, do mad and wierd things and have little worries. I too will be buying a second property soon, because I want security and a private income. So what, I have earned it, so too has Christian. Your post is that of the Politics of Envy. If you work hard and save and go without you too could have these things. The secret of getting something is to want it enough. Don't eat steak, eat beans, and soon the money is there. I did it, CG did it, are we all wankers? or just hard workers who have knuckled down and got on with it?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Well done. And I know people who workl in factories who dont have the benefit of a little more IQ and can work as accountants and do degrees and they work damn hard and cant afford a house for their family. And THAT isnt fair, or a good idea.
Dalek Dave wrote:
our post is that of the Politics of Envy.
Take the time to understand my post before leaping up and down and ranting.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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fat_boy wrote:
Make it a right for a family to have a home suitable for a family.
Agreed!!! but not for free, there are a few things that I would say need to be for free, education so you can have opportunities in the future to get a good job, have the skills, etc, health care/social security, so you don't have to worry if you fall ill one day... besides that, you need to pay for whatever else you want, the government should be a tool to make people get suitable homes to live, but never the government be a tool to get free homes for everyone, that's a mistake. If you're lazy, looking for a job giving excuses that things are very hard, you think you deserve a management position but you hardly have middle school, well, you don't deserve the same as me, that I worked my ass out to get a degree, certifications, experience.
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
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Didnt say free. I mean for the average working joe who is forced to live in some cheaply converted flat and whose kids have no garden.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Then it's no a matter of getting a decent house, I know lots of people who live in apartments of 600 sq/feet with wife and a kid (at least) and have a decent place to live, the kid(s) get enough "garden" time at the public park a few blocks away. And that's life in most cities, big cities, around the world, where space is limited, and building there is more expensive due demand of a place to live. Living in the country doesn't give any warranty to people that they will find a decent job according to their career, some might be lucky enough to get a decent job in a small town and have a nice living. The first thing you need to start explaining before complaining is what is decent for you? a house with 3 or more bedrooms? 2 or more bathrooms? 3000 or more sq/feet? 5 acres of garden? a pool?, your "decent" can be different to my "decent" place to live... And now, after that you need to explain what is a decent life for you? a person/family that makes 120,000/year? maybe more? 5 kids running in the house? just 2? I know people who live with half of that and have a very decent life, so please, before you continue with your rant, explain what is decent for you
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
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