Ron Paul settles the accusitions of racism directed toward Rand Paul.
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First of all, the accusations aren't that he's racist, but that he supports OTHER peoples' right to be racist. There's a difference, which I'm sure you can't comprehend. Anyway, he didn't settle it at all. He went on an on about how this was already decided in the 60s, and it shouldn't be brought up now. That's not settling it. That's avoiding it. He spent a good five seconds in that entire speech, giving a vague justification of his son's viewpoint without any real explanation ("It doesn't make economic sense" to discriminate... "It's silly")... For the rest, he was just trying to distract from the issue. I don't see how the Libertarians expect people to understand their position (Which does merit some discussion), if they don't explain it to the general public when they have the opportunity.
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First of all, the accusations aren't that he's racist, but that he supports OTHER peoples' right to be racist. There's a difference, which I'm sure you can't comprehend. Anyway, he didn't settle it at all. He went on an on about how this was already decided in the 60s, and it shouldn't be brought up now. That's not settling it. That's avoiding it. He spent a good five seconds in that entire speech, giving a vague justification of his son's viewpoint without any real explanation ("It doesn't make economic sense" to discriminate... "It's silly")... For the rest, he was just trying to distract from the issue. I don't see how the Libertarians expect people to understand their position (Which does merit some discussion), if they don't explain it to the general public when they have the opportunity.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)He is saying that the people on their private property have the right to discriminate, however governments do not, and governments also do not have the right to force people not to discriminate on their private property. He went on to say that the media has tried its hardest to portray Rand Paul as a racist because he supports the first amendment and property rights. He also stated that the power of the market will correct discriminatory behavior of business. Ron Paul explained his position thoroughly, and shared some words about how the media's allegations of racism does not have merit in today's political discussion, and has nothing to do with Rand Paul's campaign in KY. Rand Paul is simply being attacked by the crazy obamanoids and race baiters, along with the corporate criminals that loot the taxpayers and use marxism and corporate welfare to their advantage. I don't expect a totalitarian marxist to understand though. You are already joined ass and mouth on your knees with the criminal government.
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He is saying that the people on their private property have the right to discriminate, however governments do not, and governments also do not have the right to force people not to discriminate on their private property. He went on to say that the media has tried its hardest to portray Rand Paul as a racist because he supports the first amendment and property rights. He also stated that the power of the market will correct discriminatory behavior of business. Ron Paul explained his position thoroughly, and shared some words about how the media's allegations of racism does not have merit in today's political discussion, and has nothing to do with Rand Paul's campaign in KY. Rand Paul is simply being attacked by the crazy obamanoids and race baiters, along with the corporate criminals that loot the taxpayers and use marxism and corporate welfare to their advantage. I don't expect a totalitarian marxist to understand though. You are already joined ass and mouth on your knees with the criminal government.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
He is saying that the people on their private property have the right to discriminate, however governments do not, and governments also do not have the right to force people not to discriminate on their private property. He went on to say that the media has tried its hardest to portray Rand Paul as a racist because he supports the first amendment and property rights.
No, that's what he SHOULD be saying. He didn't say it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
He also stated that the power of the market will correct discriminatory behavior of business.
He made a vague suggestion to that point, but didn't come right out and say it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Ron Paul explained his position thoroughly, and shared some words about how the media's allegations of racism does not have merit in today's political discussion, and has nothing to do with Rand Paul's campaign in KY.
Did you even WATCH the video?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
He is saying that the people on their private property have the right to discriminate, however governments do not, and governments also do not have the right to force people not to discriminate on their private property. He went on to say that the media has tried its hardest to portray Rand Paul as a racist because he supports the first amendment and property rights.
No, that's what he SHOULD be saying. He didn't say it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
He also stated that the power of the market will correct discriminatory behavior of business.
He made a vague suggestion to that point, but didn't come right out and say it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Ron Paul explained his position thoroughly, and shared some words about how the media's allegations of racism does not have merit in today's political discussion, and has nothing to do with Rand Paul's campaign in KY.
Did you even WATCH the video?
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Did you even WATCH the video?
I don't think you have, or you just won't accept reality. You just can't stand the fact that libertarianism is not only the correct way and has become very popular, but libertarians are taking back Congress and the states candidate by candidate.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Did you even WATCH the video?
I don't think you have, or you just won't accept reality. You just can't stand the fact that libertarianism is not only the correct way and has become very popular, but libertarians are taking back Congress and the states candidate by candidate.
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Excuse me... We're talking about the video, not about the libertarian viewpoint. He never explained the actual reasoning behind this issue. Watch the video and see for yourself.
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Excuse me... We're talking about the video, not about the libertarian viewpoint. He never explained the actual reasoning behind this issue. Watch the video and see for yourself.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
He never explained the actual reasoning behind this issue.
He explained it thoroughly, watch the video again. He said that the people on their private property have the right to discriminate, however governments do not, and governments also do not have the right to force people not to discriminate on their private property. He went on to say that the media has tried its hardest to portray Rand Paul as a racist because he supports the first amendment and property rights. He also stated that the power of the market will correct discriminatory behavior of business. Don't reply with "That's not what he said." because that IS what he said.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
He never explained the actual reasoning behind this issue.
He explained it thoroughly, watch the video again. He said that the people on their private property have the right to discriminate, however governments do not, and governments also do not have the right to force people not to discriminate on their private property. He went on to say that the media has tried its hardest to portray Rand Paul as a racist because he supports the first amendment and property rights. He also stated that the power of the market will correct discriminatory behavior of business. Don't reply with "That's not what he said." because that IS what he said.
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He danced around it. 4:33: "And property rights: We do see property, but we don't distinguish between your house and your business. It's all private property. How do you draw these lines? If you want your personal privacy protected... If you want your religions protection... If you want your choices on sexual activity protected... That means your house has to be sacred. But you say 'Oh yes, but it's unfair, it's unfair', but think of all the unfair things and the ugly things that come out of the first amendment. But to me it's a moot point..." Then he starts blaming the government for the origin of segregation (Which is true, since the government was just echoing the feelings of its people). See, he dances around the issue, mentioning that property rights are important, but he never comes right out and says it. Sure, I know the point he's TRYING to make, but he's not making it clear for the public. 5:52: "Economic power is wonderful... Because who would say... Let's say I believed in Islam, I want to prove this point and I want to put a sign up, I'm only gonna serve such-and-such. It's be stupid, wouldn't it? Wouldn't it be stupid business?" Then again, he goes back to say this is an old issue that shouldn't be brought up, and that it's unfair to discuss it. See, he's not making his point clear. He does it better than his son did, but he's not going to recruit more libertarians with speeches like this.
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He danced around it. 4:33: "And property rights: We do see property, but we don't distinguish between your house and your business. It's all private property. How do you draw these lines? If you want your personal privacy protected... If you want your religions protection... If you want your choices on sexual activity protected... That means your house has to be sacred. But you say 'Oh yes, but it's unfair, it's unfair', but think of all the unfair things and the ugly things that come out of the first amendment. But to me it's a moot point..." Then he starts blaming the government for the origin of segregation (Which is true, since the government was just echoing the feelings of its people). See, he dances around the issue, mentioning that property rights are important, but he never comes right out and says it. Sure, I know the point he's TRYING to make, but he's not making it clear for the public. 5:52: "Economic power is wonderful... Because who would say... Let's say I believed in Islam, I want to prove this point and I want to put a sign up, I'm only gonna serve such-and-such. It's be stupid, wouldn't it? Wouldn't it be stupid business?" Then again, he goes back to say this is an old issue that shouldn't be brought up, and that it's unfair to discuss it. See, he's not making his point clear. He does it better than his son did, but he's not going to recruit more libertarians with speeches like this.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)I understood his point very clearly, and he did very well in the limited time he had. It's always a pleasure to hear Ron Paul's perspective. Libertarianism in on the rise, and the best you can do is to nitpick at a person's speaking style rather than the core issues.
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I understood his point very clearly, and he did very well in the limited time he had. It's always a pleasure to hear Ron Paul's perspective. Libertarianism in on the rise, and the best you can do is to nitpick at a person's speaking style rather than the core issues.
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You understood it because you already know it. And I've made it clear that I actually agree with PARTS of libertarianism (Mostly object to the economic side, as I've said before). I don't mind seeing it in the media a bit more, as I'm in favor of presenting every possible viewpoint and letting the people decide what they really want. But he's trying to avoid the issue instead of tackling it directly, and that doesn't help his cause.
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You understood it because you already know it. And I've made it clear that I actually agree with PARTS of libertarianism (Mostly object to the economic side, as I've said before). I don't mind seeing it in the media a bit more, as I'm in favor of presenting every possible viewpoint and letting the people decide what they really want. But he's trying to avoid the issue instead of tackling it directly, and that doesn't help his cause.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
(Mostly object to the economic side
Corporate welfare and other giveaways does not coincide with the libertarian model. Libertarians object to theft. Libertarians also object to command economies and government manipulation of the markets.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
(Mostly object to the economic side
Corporate welfare and other giveaways does not coincide with the libertarian model. Libertarians object to theft. Libertarians also object to command economies and government manipulation of the markets.
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I'm aware of the libertarian viewpoints... And this is exactly why the party is so small... This all or nothing mentality and refusal to compromise means that only the most hardcore believers will join you. Personally, I can't respect ANYONE who sees everything in black and white. Shades of gray, young one... Shades of gray.
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I'm aware of the libertarian viewpoints... And this is exactly why the party is so small... This all or nothing mentality and refusal to compromise means that only the most hardcore believers will join you. Personally, I can't respect ANYONE who sees everything in black and white. Shades of gray, young one... Shades of gray.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Libertarians don't compromise with criminals, and the party is not small. Most people want the libertarian model, except for those who get free money from the government. Those who get free money from the government are excited about the criminality. They just want to loot the producers.
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Libertarians don't compromise with criminals, and the party is not small. Most people want the libertarian model, except for those who get free money from the government. Those who get free money from the government are excited about the criminality. They just want to loot the producers.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Libertarians don't compromise with criminals
See? You call anyone who isn't with you a criminal... And you wonder why no one likes you.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Most people want the libertarian model
If this was true, there would be more libertarians in congress.
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Has anyone 'settled' the accusations of ignorance levelled against you on a daily basis ?
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Has anyone 'settled' the accusations of ignorance levelled against you on a daily basis ?
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Yes, that has been proven beyond doubt (many times, often with supporting evidence provided by Codes Complete Sh1te himself)
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Never mind the fact that EVERYBODY is racist, but only white people are so scared that they must prove to everyone that they are not racist.
It follows, then, that you must believe Ron and Rand to be merely pretending not to be racist. Therefore, you must now believe them to be liars. Which means that you cannot now trust any statement they may make as being other than a device to obtain office. Just another politician. :sigh: (Unless you do not really believe that EVERYBODY is racist. In which case the liar is ...)
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First of all, the accusations aren't that he's racist, but that he supports OTHER peoples' right to be racist. There's a difference, which I'm sure you can't comprehend. Anyway, he didn't settle it at all. He went on an on about how this was already decided in the 60s, and it shouldn't be brought up now. That's not settling it. That's avoiding it. He spent a good five seconds in that entire speech, giving a vague justification of his son's viewpoint without any real explanation ("It doesn't make economic sense" to discriminate... "It's silly")... For the rest, he was just trying to distract from the issue. I don't see how the Libertarians expect people to understand their position (Which does merit some discussion), if they don't explain it to the general public when they have the opportunity.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
He spent a good five seconds in that entire speech, giving a vague justification of his son's viewpoint without any real explanation ("It doesn't make economic sense" to discriminate... "It's silly")... For the rest, he was just trying to distract from the issue.
Oh look, it's what a number of us assumed they'd say. I mean, it's not like any of these rich white people would ever be discriminated against, who could possibly have a problem with discrimination. Since the only thing anyone values is money what possible motivation would anyone have to discriminate? I'd wonder where they become disconnected with reality, but that'd require finding a connection in the first place.
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Libertarians don't compromise with criminals, and the party is not small. Most people want the libertarian model, except for those who get free money from the government. Those who get free money from the government are excited about the criminality. They just want to loot the producers.
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First of all, the accusations aren't that he's racist, but that he supports OTHER peoples' right to be racist. There's a difference, which I'm sure you can't comprehend. Anyway, he didn't settle it at all. He went on an on about how this was already decided in the 60s, and it shouldn't be brought up now. That's not settling it. That's avoiding it. He spent a good five seconds in that entire speech, giving a vague justification of his son's viewpoint without any real explanation ("It doesn't make economic sense" to discriminate... "It's silly")... For the rest, he was just trying to distract from the issue. I don't see how the Libertarians expect people to understand their position (Which does merit some discussion), if they don't explain it to the general public when they have the opportunity.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
First of all, the accusations aren't that he's racist, but that he supports OTHER peoples' right to be racist. There's a difference, which I'm sure you can't comprehend. Anyway, he didn't settle it at all.
This is exactly how I've seen Ron Paul's views. They're not racists, but they confuse a business with a person and businesses aren't people. Putting aside the supreme court's decision that businesses have the right to free speech, businesses have no right to discriminate since they're the entity under the law not the business owner that is being regulated. This is the difference that the law makes. Since a business isn't a person with morals, and ethics it has very limited rights. As was explained to me by a lawyer, the lawyer representing the business isn't necessarily representing the interests of the business owner that is why he recommended getting a separate lawyer for the owner of a business in another firm. I'm sure this part will be lost on some. Libertarians expect a free market of morals and ethics to resolve the pettiness of idiots, bigots and morons who either run companies or are put in power. Ron and his son are just like any other politician, anyway, blame the supposedly leftist media, run to fox for a fake hard hitting interview, claim biased and avoid owning it so they can make money from donations. Wash, rinse, repeat ad nauseaum. This is the politician way.
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