Dutch doctors organization wants to ban circumsicion
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digital man wrote:
Most of these traditions (afaik) stem from keeping clean though some (like not eating pork) are a bit outdated, I feel. (Bacon: drool).
I am sure if I knew the religion better I could come up with some more interesting examples, like those I did for christmas and easter for us supposed christians (most aspects of which actually stem form pagan religions) and hence illustrate my sentiment better, but I cant, so I will have to take your word that the Jewish religion is different fomr Jewish tradition. As for bacon, who can resist it! (I was wondering if you would notice my accidental(ish) use of a French word, whcih seemed so apt I left it in. I assume you got its meaning though)
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I did though I checked to make sure you weren't just having another 'old-man' moment! :-)
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
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Yes, my point would be that we intact males are perhaps forced to learn levels of hygiene that guys who are not complete do not. But, it's not really a big deal. Washing it in the shower was how I learned my number one teenage past time, as I recall.
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Also circumcisions are performed by people without medical training and when it goes wrong families are expected to live with the damage. :mad:
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RichardM1 wrote:
and it has had no negative effect on my use, enjoyment or abuse.
How on earth would you know ?
RichardM1 wrote:
If it is done as a child, the nervous system probably has not fully populated the connections.
Bollocks. Again, how would you know ? Why do the babies cry then ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
How on earth would you know ?
- How on earth would you know otherwise? :laugh: 4) No reports of circumcised men being more prone to abuse opiates (mimics endorphins). 3) Reports of wounded vets who learn to orgasm from stimulation elsewhere. 2) Dumping endorphins happens in the brain, and is unaffected by the foreskin. And the number one reason I would on earth know... 1) Because I know how I feel, and I have never heard anything better reported. :-D (sorry I couldn't come up with a full 'top 10')
Christian Graus wrote:
Bollocks. Again, how would you know ?
:laugh: See reasons 1-5 above. Because children with arrested development (not retardation) show that the brain goes through phases. The child is not just learning, the nervous system is developing, changing based on hormones, not just experience. Because the prevalence of prepubescent masturbation is very low, which indicates the systems are not fully formed prior to puberty, because otherwise, kids would.
Christian Graus wrote:
Why do the babies cry then ?
:confused: what is this, a trick question? :laugh: :laugh: Because getting cut hurts, and feeling pain is a requirement at birth, getting off is not. I'm not sure the results would be as, um, 'compelling' later in life. I suspect it would be harder for someone in their teens or later. I remember a kid in 6th or 7th grade had it done. :~ He missed about a week of PE. I think that was pushing it, from a neurological perspective. I still cringe when I think about it. He and his family became Christian. I wonder what stupid told them it was required to be committed Christians? Didn't they read the Counsel of Jerusalem? I'm sure it would 'separate the wheat from the chafe' pretty darn quick.
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RichardM1 wrote:
I'm uncloaked
Ah, a Klingon too eh?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I just meant I was walking around without a cloak on. :rolleyes: I'd have answered in Klingon, but I have forgotten the father language. :sigh: Ok, maybe 'never learned' is a better description. My ex told me I was ugly, but never 'Klingon ugly'. :-O
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RichardM1 wrote:
I'm sure you can come up with some other good reason to sue them
What, for feeding me those gross healthy things? Or for not allowing me to set fire to everything? I don't think anyone would take that case seriously :)
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Trollslayer wrote:
Remember that 'female circumcision' often involves removal of the clitoris. Think of it as amputating the head of the penis.
I know what it is. When I said it's unbelievable I meant the fact that a medical body would promote it in any way.
I agree with you, but don't know a better answer. They are stuck with a 'best outcome' problem. They believe that if they don't provide something, people who demand it for their daughters will go somewhere that will totally destroy the whole region. It is a suck decision for them to have to make.
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I did though I checked to make sure you weren't just having another 'old-man' moment! :-)
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
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Part of the 'jsutification' is that if women don't enjoy sex then they are less likely to have affairs.
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I agree with you, but don't know a better answer. They are stuck with a 'best outcome' problem. They believe that if they don't provide something, people who demand it for their daughters will go somewhere that will totally destroy the whole region. It is a suck decision for them to have to make.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
RichardM1 wrote:
I agree with you, but don't know a better answer. They are stuck with a 'best outcome' problem. They believe that if they don't provide something, people who demand it for their daughters will go somewhere that will totally destroy the whole region. It is a suck decision for them to have to make.
It's an intereting problem allright. How do you change a cultral practice? A few well publicised prosecutions and long gaol terms?
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RichardM1 wrote:
I agree with you, but don't know a better answer. They are stuck with a 'best outcome' problem. They believe that if they don't provide something, people who demand it for their daughters will go somewhere that will totally destroy the whole region. It is a suck decision for them to have to make.
It's an intereting problem allright. How do you change a cultral practice? A few well publicised prosecutions and long gaol terms?