Current Internet censorship in Australia
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
"fairness" or "neutrality"
Those are about preventing censorship, not encouraging or requiring it. I know you find it fun to "prove" that black is white, up is down, and stupid is intelligent... But don't expect us to believe you.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
in the name of "cybersecurity"
That's the only justification that might be used to bring the US into this little club. Hopefully special interest groups like the ACLU and EFF will keep reminding the government that this kind of censorship isn't an option in this country.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
We are headed down that path
And once again, you assume that just because one country does it, we're going to follow. Hey, guess what! All of those Arab countries have Sharia courts! I bet we're going down that path next!
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Those are about preventing censorship, not encouraging or requiring it
Yes, the takeover of and censorship of the internet in the US will be in the name of security and stopping censorship. Unconstitutional and unpopular legislation has to be presented to the people as palatable. It is like coating a piece of shit with a glossy and brightly colored candy shell.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
And once again, you assume that just because one country does it, we're going to follow. Hey, guess what! All of those Arab countries have Sharia courts! I bet we're going down that path next!
No, we are headed down that path because there is legislation in congress to take us down that path. Google cybersecurity bill and FCC regulate internet.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Those are about preventing censorship, not encouraging or requiring it
Yes, the takeover of and censorship of the internet in the US will be in the name of security and stopping censorship. Unconstitutional and unpopular legislation has to be presented to the people as palatable. It is like coating a piece of shit with a glossy and brightly colored candy shell.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
And once again, you assume that just because one country does it, we're going to follow. Hey, guess what! All of those Arab countries have Sharia courts! I bet we're going down that path next!
No, we are headed down that path because there is legislation in congress to take us down that path. Google cybersecurity bill and FCC regulate internet.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Yes, the takeover of and censorship of the internet in the US will be in the name of stopping censorship.
You're trying to prove that
X -> ~XCaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No, we are headed down that path because there is legislation in congress to take us down that path. Google cybersecurity bill and FCC regulate internet.
Regulating isn't the same thing as censoring. Look at the telephone system. Is it regulated? Damn right it is. Is it censored? Hmm, I can still call anybody I want, in pretty much any country... Nope, not censored. Tapped, maybe, but not censored. So now you're trying to prove that
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Yes, the takeover of and censorship of the internet in the US will be in the name of stopping censorship.
You're trying to prove that
X -> ~XCaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No, we are headed down that path because there is legislation in congress to take us down that path. Google cybersecurity bill and FCC regulate internet.
Regulating isn't the same thing as censoring. Look at the telephone system. Is it regulated? Damn right it is. Is it censored? Hmm, I can still call anybody I want, in pretty much any country... Nope, not censored. Tapped, maybe, but not censored. So now you're trying to prove that
X -> Y, when X and Y are completely unrelated.Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
You're trying to prove that X -> ~X
I'm just telling how government operates.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Regulating isn't the same thing as censoring. Look at the telephone system. Is it regulated? Damn right it is. Is it censored? Hmm, I can still call anybody I want, in pretty much any country... Nope, not censored. Tapped, maybe, but not censored.
There isn't cybersecurity legislation for the phone system, just intensive spying.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
You're trying to prove that X -> ~X
I'm just telling how government operates.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Regulating isn't the same thing as censoring. Look at the telephone system. Is it regulated? Damn right it is. Is it censored? Hmm, I can still call anybody I want, in pretty much any country... Nope, not censored. Tapped, maybe, but not censored.
There isn't cybersecurity legislation for the phone system, just intensive spying.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
There isn't cybersecurity legislation for the phone system, just intensive spying.
What does that have to do with FCC regulation and net neutrality? You're "arguing" the wrong point.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
There isn't cybersecurity legislation for the phone system, just intensive spying.
What does that have to do with FCC regulation and net neutrality? You're "arguing" the wrong point.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
What does that have to do with FCC regulation and net neutrality?
They go at it in two different detections, on the left they have FCC regulations not only for net neutrality, but many other mundane regulation. On the right, they have cybersecurity legislation. Eventually the two meet to cover the entire spectrum of internet communications.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
What does that have to do with FCC regulation and net neutrality?
They go at it in two different detections, on the left they have FCC regulations not only for net neutrality, but many other mundane regulation. On the right, they have cybersecurity legislation. Eventually the two meet to cover the entire spectrum of internet communications.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
on the left they have FCC regulations not only for net neutrality, but many other mundane regulation
Such as?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
on the left they have FCC regulations not only for net neutrality, but many other mundane regulation
Such as?
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Acceptable wiring, protocols, servers, web-browsers, standards, port configurations, "illegitimate" use of bandwidth or networks...
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
There isn't cybersecurity legislation for the phone system, just intensive spying.
What does that have to do with FCC regulation and net neutrality? You're "arguing" the wrong point.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian, you aren't actually getting through. The filter refuses to recognize "I screwed up." Heck, this post is trying to equate Australia being prudes with them mandating anti-virus and shutting down machines in some obscure scheme along with Google wanting to not have to pay an ISP for people to do searches. He's essentially arguing that if 1 + 1 = 2 then 1 + 1 + 2 = fjords. I also have a message for you from you know who. "The sardines are arguing about Mozart, beware, when you taste the color yellow: you will know peril."
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Acceptable wiring, protocols, servers, web-browsers, standards, port configurations, "illegitimate" use of bandwidth or networks...
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Acceptable wiring
As in Cat-5[^] cabling, commonly known as Ethernet cable? Defined as a standard in TIA/EIA-568-B[^] by the Telecommunications Industry Association[^], an organization formed of private-sector companies, not the FCC.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
protocols
Like what? TCP/IP? The closest thing to regulation we have over that is the IEEE[^], which is... *gasp!* Another PROFESSIONAL organization, not the FCC.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
servers
You mean web servers? Domain names? Do I have to mention ICANN[^], which is in charge of overseeing domain name and IP address assignments? A group that USED TO BE part of the government, but has been split off into an independent entity. Or are you talking about the physical servers? Because there's NO way you can justify your theory that the FCC is regulating my old Debian/Apache box.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
web-browsers
The software? Seeing as how anyone can make their own web browser, there can't be any FCC regulation there. Web protocols, then? Hey, look! The W3C![^] An international organization that includes both private-sector and public-sector members. No FCC authority there. So where does the FCC come in?
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Acceptable wiring, protocols, servers, web-browsers, standards, port configurations, "illegitimate" use of bandwidth or networks...
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if you want to live then acceptable wiring should be a mandate good news everyone!!! I set fire to the building... my bad on the wires.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Ian, you aren't actually getting through. The filter refuses to recognize "I screwed up." Heck, this post is trying to equate Australia being prudes with them mandating anti-virus and shutting down machines in some obscure scheme along with Google wanting to not have to pay an ISP for people to do searches. He's essentially arguing that if 1 + 1 = 2 then 1 + 1 + 2 = fjords. I also have a message for you from you know who. "The sardines are arguing about Mozart, beware, when you taste the color yellow: you will know peril."
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Ian, you aren't actually getting through. The filter refuses to recognize "I screwed up."
I know... This is like when an old TV starts showing static, so you keep hitting it until it works... Or until it shuts off entirely... Or until you break your hand. Hmm, I hope I don't break my hand on this one.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
He's essentially arguing that if 1 + 1 = 2 then 1 + 1 + 2 = fjords.
Well put :)
ragnaroknrol wrote:
I also have a message for you from you know who. "The sardines are arguing about Mozart, beware, when you taste the color yellow: you will know peril."
Ya lost me...
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
Ian, you aren't actually getting through. The filter refuses to recognize "I screwed up."
I know... This is like when an old TV starts showing static, so you keep hitting it until it works... Or until it shuts off entirely... Or until you break your hand. Hmm, I hope I don't break my hand on this one.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
He's essentially arguing that if 1 + 1 = 2 then 1 + 1 + 2 = fjords.
Well put :)
ragnaroknrol wrote:
I also have a message for you from you know who. "The sardines are arguing about Mozart, beware, when you taste the color yellow: you will know peril."
Ya lost me...
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Ya lost me...
excellent, I will tell them to hit the target. Even if he figures this out it will be too late. Good job keeping him posting so they could track him.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Acceptable wiring
As in Cat-5[^] cabling, commonly known as Ethernet cable? Defined as a standard in TIA/EIA-568-B[^] by the Telecommunications Industry Association[^], an organization formed of private-sector companies, not the FCC.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
protocols
Like what? TCP/IP? The closest thing to regulation we have over that is the IEEE[^], which is... *gasp!* Another PROFESSIONAL organization, not the FCC.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
servers
You mean web servers? Domain names? Do I have to mention ICANN[^], which is in charge of overseeing domain name and IP address assignments? A group that USED TO BE part of the government, but has been split off into an independent entity. Or are you talking about the physical servers? Because there's NO way you can justify your theory that the FCC is regulating my old Debian/Apache box.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
web-browsers
The software? Seeing as how anyone can make their own web browser, there can't be any FCC regulation there. Web protocols, then? Hey, look! The W3C![^] An international organization that includes both private-sector and public-sector members. No FCC authority there. So where does the FCC come in?
Ian Shlasko wrote:
As in Cat-5[^] cabling, commonly known as Ethernet cable? Defined as a standard in TIA/EIA-568-B[^] by the Telecommunications Industry Association[^], an organization formed of private-sector companies, not the FCC.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Like what? TCP/IP? The closest thing to regulation we have over that is the IEEE[^], which is... *gasp!* Another PROFESSIONAL organization, not the FCC.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
You mean web servers? Domain names? Do I have to mention ICANN[^], which is in charge of overseeing domain name and IP address assignments? A group that USED TO BE part of the government, but has been split off into an independent entity.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
The software? Seeing as how anyone can make their own web browser, there can't be any FCC regulation there. Web protocols, then? Hey, look! The W3C![^] An international organization that includes both private-sector and public-sector members. No FCC authority there.
Well now the FCC will regulate standards. Note that this will slow down advancement and innovation and push up prices just like the CNBC article said.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
As in Cat-5[^] cabling, commonly known as Ethernet cable? Defined as a standard in TIA/EIA-568-B[^] by the Telecommunications Industry Association[^], an organization formed of private-sector companies, not the FCC.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Like what? TCP/IP? The closest thing to regulation we have over that is the IEEE[^], which is... *gasp!* Another PROFESSIONAL organization, not the FCC.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
You mean web servers? Domain names? Do I have to mention ICANN[^], which is in charge of overseeing domain name and IP address assignments? A group that USED TO BE part of the government, but has been split off into an independent entity.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
The software? Seeing as how anyone can make their own web browser, there can't be any FCC regulation there. Web protocols, then? Hey, look! The W3C![^] An international organization that includes both private-sector and public-sector members. No FCC authority there.
Well now the FCC will regulate standards. Note that this will slow down advancement and innovation and push up prices just like the CNBC article said.
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your own example australia censors lots advancement's fine there cars regulated mustang getting 31 ford's innovating
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
As in Cat-5[^] cabling, commonly known as Ethernet cable? Defined as a standard in TIA/EIA-568-B[^] by the Telecommunications Industry Association[^], an organization formed of private-sector companies, not the FCC.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Like what? TCP/IP? The closest thing to regulation we have over that is the IEEE[^], which is... *gasp!* Another PROFESSIONAL organization, not the FCC.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
You mean web servers? Domain names? Do I have to mention ICANN[^], which is in charge of overseeing domain name and IP address assignments? A group that USED TO BE part of the government, but has been split off into an independent entity.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
The software? Seeing as how anyone can make their own web browser, there can't be any FCC regulation there. Web protocols, then? Hey, look! The W3C![^] An international organization that includes both private-sector and public-sector members. No FCC authority there.
Well now the FCC will regulate standards. Note that this will slow down advancement and innovation and push up prices just like the CNBC article said.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well now the FCC will regulate standards
You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you? You've been completely proven wrong, so you just pull another statement out of mid-air and expect me to just accept it as valid. Not happening. If you want to make a point, back it up with evidence.
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your own example australia censors lots advancement's fine there cars regulated mustang getting 31 ford's innovating
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
American cars are garbage.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well now the FCC will regulate standards
You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you? You've been completely proven wrong, so you just pull another statement out of mid-air and expect me to just accept it as valid. Not happening. If you want to make a point, back it up with evidence.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Go read the god damn CNBC article I posted yesterday, you moron.
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your own example australia censors lots advancement's fine there cars regulated mustang getting 31 ford's innovating
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
You've got the right idea... I keep smacking the TV, but it just keeps spitting out static. I think we've moved beyond prose.
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Go read the god damn CNBC article I posted yesterday, you moron.
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I read it when you posted it yesterday. Now show me where it says that it will give the FCC control over any of the privately-regulated standards I listed.
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Go read the god damn CNBC article I posted yesterday, you moron.
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I want to know... Did YOU read the article and REALLY read it? For someone that purports to see how they are all trying to take us over, you missed something so glaringly big it is comical... Who stands the most to gain if they are allowed to decide how traffic will be on their networks? ISPs Who will charge companies to not be on a stupidly bad connection to their customers? ISPs Who has almost no competition thanks to their practices of not interfering with one another? ISPs. Who is buying 51% of NBC? Comcast. One of, if not the, largest ISPs in America. I love how they show how Verizon's bottom line might get hurt but ignore that these companies have been forcing local, state, and federal tax money into funding their infrastructure improvements for years. Why is that not mentioned in this hit piece? In fact they act like THEY paid for those pipes, when a good amount of the infrastructure was paid for by the states. Iowa is lined with fiber. All of it laid down by the state government. That fiber makes AT&T's 3G possible. Soon they will be putting antennas in for 4G capability. Using funds that are matched by the Federal government. Why? Because none of the carriers want to invest in the infrastructure. But they will sure as hell use it once it is up. The piece was written by ISPs for ISPs and is trying to make Google out as a bad guy because it knows as soon as the ISP can make something to compete with a business and then they strangle the business' pipe to consumers, they will do so. The track record is there. It isn't the government you should be worried about, it is the corporations that are taking advantage of our tax dollars and trying to act like victims when they are told they can't be effing bastards and to stop screwing consumers.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.