Smacking to be outlawed ???
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The paper is running a story today to say that the gubberment is going to outlaw all smacking of children by parents, or anyone else. They claim the current law is not precise enough, so they want a blanket ban, and cite cases like a child being forced to smoke a cigarette, and then eat the butt, and a child being repeatedly prodded with an electric cattle prod. HELLO ??!?!?!??!?!!!! First of all if the current law is not sufficient to prosecute these people, then it was drafted by a moron, and secondly, people who treat their kids like that are not rational human beings and unlikely to change just because it's the law. The cattle prod tells you what locations such people tend to live in, where their children are not that likely to have contact with people able to recognise and deal with the problem. How does removing another framework of discipline for our young help them in any way ? Is this the case in other countries ? The police can pucker up and kiss my fat behind if they think I will stop guiding my children in how to grow into responsible adults on the basis of some law passed by someone who obviously has never had children ( and in this state, is probably gay ). Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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The paper is running a story today to say that the gubberment is going to outlaw all smacking of children by parents, or anyone else. They claim the current law is not precise enough, so they want a blanket ban, and cite cases like a child being forced to smoke a cigarette, and then eat the butt, and a child being repeatedly prodded with an electric cattle prod. HELLO ??!?!?!??!?!!!! First of all if the current law is not sufficient to prosecute these people, then it was drafted by a moron, and secondly, people who treat their kids like that are not rational human beings and unlikely to change just because it's the law. The cattle prod tells you what locations such people tend to live in, where their children are not that likely to have contact with people able to recognise and deal with the problem. How does removing another framework of discipline for our young help them in any way ? Is this the case in other countries ? The police can pucker up and kiss my fat behind if they think I will stop guiding my children in how to grow into responsible adults on the basis of some law passed by someone who obviously has never had children ( and in this state, is probably gay ). Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
They only stopped beating children in schools here early last year! A lot of people were against this, but my opinion is that some teachers were going too far. We followed the British school system, but I think Britain stopped this practise long before we did. There is no law here that says you cannot beat your children. Some children are abused like everywhere else. Some people have even given other people (close neighbour,aunt etc) the right to discipline/punish their children if they think the child is doing something wrong. In my opinion, at least in this country, people need to be more educated about different and more effective ways to discipline a child. They also need to realise that children are human beings too. On the other hand, a small smack may be necessary sometimes.. for example, when a child decides to push his whole head out of a moving vehicle. I don't have any children, by the way. I don't think you need to have children to form an opinion about what is the right way to discipline a child.
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They only stopped beating children in schools here early last year! A lot of people were against this, but my opinion is that some teachers were going too far. We followed the British school system, but I think Britain stopped this practise long before we did. There is no law here that says you cannot beat your children. Some children are abused like everywhere else. Some people have even given other people (close neighbour,aunt etc) the right to discipline/punish their children if they think the child is doing something wrong. In my opinion, at least in this country, people need to be more educated about different and more effective ways to discipline a child. They also need to realise that children are human beings too. On the other hand, a small smack may be necessary sometimes.. for example, when a child decides to push his whole head out of a moving vehicle. I don't have any children, by the way. I don't think you need to have children to form an opinion about what is the right way to discipline a child.
Pett wrote: I don't have any children, by the way. I can tell. Only people without children mix the terms 'beat' and 'smack' indiscriminently, or seem to somehow form the opinion that there are 'different and more effective ways' to discpline children which work in every case. How would you recommend a 2 year old with a 40 word vocabulary be disciplined ? Pett wrote: for example, when a child decides to push his whole head out of a moving vehicle. So not half the head, just the whole ? No offence, but people without children should not be allowed to enter this debate, that is where all unrealistic opinions stem from IMO. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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Pett wrote: I don't have any children, by the way. I can tell. Only people without children mix the terms 'beat' and 'smack' indiscriminently, or seem to somehow form the opinion that there are 'different and more effective ways' to discpline children which work in every case. How would you recommend a 2 year old with a 40 word vocabulary be disciplined ? Pett wrote: for example, when a child decides to push his whole head out of a moving vehicle. So not half the head, just the whole ? No offence, but people without children should not be allowed to enter this debate, that is where all unrealistic opinions stem from IMO. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Christian Graus wrote: How would you recommend a 2 year old with a 40 word vocabulary be disciplined ? By intorducing the 41st word... NO
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Christian Graus wrote: How would you recommend a 2 year old with a 40 word vocabulary be disciplined ? By intorducing the 41st word... NO
So just say 'no', and hope that they obey ? Man, I should send you people my 2 year old for a bit, there is obviously some trick I am missing. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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So just say 'no', and hope that they obey ? Man, I should send you people my 2 year old for a bit, there is obviously some trick I am missing. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
It's not just the fact that you say NO, it's how you say it... I just do not belive in hitting children at all. They rememebr it (even if you think they don't). I do.
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The paper is running a story today to say that the gubberment is going to outlaw all smacking of children by parents, or anyone else. They claim the current law is not precise enough, so they want a blanket ban, and cite cases like a child being forced to smoke a cigarette, and then eat the butt, and a child being repeatedly prodded with an electric cattle prod. HELLO ??!?!?!??!?!!!! First of all if the current law is not sufficient to prosecute these people, then it was drafted by a moron, and secondly, people who treat their kids like that are not rational human beings and unlikely to change just because it's the law. The cattle prod tells you what locations such people tend to live in, where their children are not that likely to have contact with people able to recognise and deal with the problem. How does removing another framework of discipline for our young help them in any way ? Is this the case in other countries ? The police can pucker up and kiss my fat behind if they think I will stop guiding my children in how to grow into responsible adults on the basis of some law passed by someone who obviously has never had children ( and in this state, is probably gay ). Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
For years the laws have grown more limiting on parents here, and society has declined severely because of it. You can't even spank a child - not beat, there's a huge difference - without running the risk of having your children taken from you. One phone call from a neighbor, or even the child, is enough to have Child Protective Services crash into your house without a warrant, take your children, prevent you from visiting them, have you arrested without investigation or proof, and subject you to a prolonged and expensive legal process to prove that you are a decent enough person to be allowed to see your children again in your lifetime. The children know this, and actively threaten to call anytime they disagree with anything a parent attempts to enforce. Is it any wonder that they grow up with no sense of personal responsibility or respect for law? "When in danger, fear, or doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!" - Lorelei and Lapis Lazuli Long
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It's not just the fact that you say NO, it's how you say it... I just do not belive in hitting children at all. They rememebr it (even if you think they don't). I do.
Ray Cassick wrote: They rememebr it (even if you think they don't). I do. I am sorry that you were smacked out of anger, or in an otherwise inappropriate manner, and that it has clouded your judgement. No kids, right ? Either that, or they will end up in prison. I was smacked out of anger a lot, too, but that does not mean that I have some airy-fairy notion of parenting that has no basis in reality. It means that I know the difference between 'smacking' and 'beating'. It disturbs me when this is discussed how many people use the terms interchangably. Ray Cassick wrote: It's not just the fact that you say NO, it's how you say it... Ray Cassick wrote: I just do not belive in hitting children at all. Get back to me when you have kids, and if you still think that there is some magic intonation in your voice that makes a child obey you right off without any guidance, then get back to me when they are in jail. Seriously, I am sick of bleeding heart crap from people who have no idea. I am truly sorry that you've had a bad experience, but this jump from one extreme to another is what is killing society as a whole. Reasonable use of physical punishment in a consistent manner is part of teaching a child how to turn into a socially responsbile adult. 'Reasoning' with a two year old does not work, saying 'no' is meaningless if all you do when they ignore you is say 'no' again. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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For years the laws have grown more limiting on parents here, and society has declined severely because of it. You can't even spank a child - not beat, there's a huge difference - without running the risk of having your children taken from you. One phone call from a neighbor, or even the child, is enough to have Child Protective Services crash into your house without a warrant, take your children, prevent you from visiting them, have you arrested without investigation or proof, and subject you to a prolonged and expensive legal process to prove that you are a decent enough person to be allowed to see your children again in your lifetime. The children know this, and actively threaten to call anytime they disagree with anything a parent attempts to enforce. Is it any wonder that they grow up with no sense of personal responsibility or respect for law? "When in danger, fear, or doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!" - Lorelei and Lapis Lazuli Long
Roger Wright wrote: Is it any wonder that they grow up with no sense of personal responsibility or respect for law? No - society is screwed and this is just the sort of thing I am talking about. I hope it does not get to that stage here, because I will never stop teaching my children, which at times means a smack, and I defy anyone to classify my kids as scared of me, maladjusted, or any other negative thing. I'm holding one right now, and I am very close to both. In fact, I administer more discipline than my wife at times, yet my daughter in particular has always preferred me, no matter what. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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The paper is running a story today to say that the gubberment is going to outlaw all smacking of children by parents, or anyone else. They claim the current law is not precise enough, so they want a blanket ban, and cite cases like a child being forced to smoke a cigarette, and then eat the butt, and a child being repeatedly prodded with an electric cattle prod. HELLO ??!?!?!??!?!!!! First of all if the current law is not sufficient to prosecute these people, then it was drafted by a moron, and secondly, people who treat their kids like that are not rational human beings and unlikely to change just because it's the law. The cattle prod tells you what locations such people tend to live in, where their children are not that likely to have contact with people able to recognise and deal with the problem. How does removing another framework of discipline for our young help them in any way ? Is this the case in other countries ? The police can pucker up and kiss my fat behind if they think I will stop guiding my children in how to grow into responsible adults on the basis of some law passed by someone who obviously has never had children ( and in this state, is probably gay ). Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
I don't actually have anything to add here, just thought i'd continue the trend of replies from folks without kids... ;P Shog9 ------
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I don't actually have anything to add here, just thought i'd continue the trend of replies from folks without kids... ;P Shog9 ------
The Army's on Ecstasy, so they say - I read all about it in USA Today. They stepped up urine testing to make it go away, 'cause it's hard to kill the enemy on ol' MDMA...- Oysterhead
That's three times you've made me laugh out loud today !!! Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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So just say 'no', and hope that they obey ? Man, I should send you people my 2 year old for a bit, there is obviously some trick I am missing. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Christian Graus wrote: I should send you people my 2 year old for a bit, there is obviously some trick I am missing Put him on a plane !! I'll pick him up. -> I have never smacked my kids. My reasoning is that, I'll sort things out before it becomes a problem. The wife thinks I have to much control over the kids because I can make them cry by telling them that they have upset me. ->I hope that I never have to smack them, but I'd do it if I thought it was necessary, after seeking all other alternatives or their life's were endangered. No, even though I think smacking isn't needed I still don't want that right removed from me. ->Unfortunatly a lot of other parents still seem to use physical punishment far to easily. Smacking or even threatening to smack a child on a regular basis, I see as stupidity, and proof that a parent has a lack of communication with the child. My opinions anyhow. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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Christian Graus wrote: I should send you people my 2 year old for a bit, there is obviously some trick I am missing Put him on a plane !! I'll pick him up. -> I have never smacked my kids. My reasoning is that, I'll sort things out before it becomes a problem. The wife thinks I have to much control over the kids because I can make them cry by telling them that they have upset me. ->I hope that I never have to smack them, but I'd do it if I thought it was necessary, after seeking all other alternatives or their life's were endangered. No, even though I think smacking isn't needed I still don't want that right removed from me. ->Unfortunatly a lot of other parents still seem to use physical punishment far to easily. Smacking or even threatening to smack a child on a regular basis, I see as stupidity, and proof that a parent has a lack of communication with the child. My opinions anyhow. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
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Colin Davies wrote: Put him on a plane !! I'll pick him up. You'll send him back, too. I love him to death, but he is very challenging. And FWIW, I don't smack him, because it doesn't do anything positive. It just makes him more defiant. Colin Davies wrote: No, even though I think smacking isn't needed I still don't want that right removed from me. If it's needed or not depends on the child. There are some things you need to teach them quickly - i.e. they need to know what STOP means pretty quickly. I was very strict about that one, because if they don't do it, it could cost them their life, in the wrong situation. Colin Davies wrote: Unfortunatly a lot of other parents still seem to use physical punishment far to easily. Probably, and probably a lot are not consistent, so it becomes about who is bigger, and not about establishing rules. This is why we have these lame laws coming in, it's easier to legislate than to give people common sense. Colin Davies wrote: Smacking or even threatening to smack a child on a regular basis, I see as stupidity, and proof that a parent has a lack of communication with the child. As I said, it depends on the child, and the approach. Controlled discipline from an early age should mean there is virtually no need for it by the age of 8. Hannah is 6 and rarely needs more than discussion of what is required. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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Colin Davies wrote: Put him on a plane !! I'll pick him up. You'll send him back, too. I love him to death, but he is very challenging. And FWIW, I don't smack him, because it doesn't do anything positive. It just makes him more defiant. Colin Davies wrote: No, even though I think smacking isn't needed I still don't want that right removed from me. If it's needed or not depends on the child. There are some things you need to teach them quickly - i.e. they need to know what STOP means pretty quickly. I was very strict about that one, because if they don't do it, it could cost them their life, in the wrong situation. Colin Davies wrote: Unfortunatly a lot of other parents still seem to use physical punishment far to easily. Probably, and probably a lot are not consistent, so it becomes about who is bigger, and not about establishing rules. This is why we have these lame laws coming in, it's easier to legislate than to give people common sense. Colin Davies wrote: Smacking or even threatening to smack a child on a regular basis, I see as stupidity, and proof that a parent has a lack of communication with the child. As I said, it depends on the child, and the approach. Controlled discipline from an early age should mean there is virtually no need for it by the age of 8. Hannah is 6 and rarely needs more than discussion of what is required. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Christian Graus wrote: If it's needed or not depends on the child. Ok, I almost see your viewpoint, but sometimes it's not the kid but the parent that needs educating. There are some lousy parents about, and it appears they are the folk best at breeding at times. One rule I think any parent that wishes to smack their child should follow, is to never smack a child out of anger or frustration. If this rule is broken it shows you are using emotion rather than logic, and are not considering what is best for the child. But yeah every child is different, and every situation is different. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Pett wrote: I don't have any children, by the way. I can tell. Only people without children mix the terms 'beat' and 'smack' indiscriminently, or seem to somehow form the opinion that there are 'different and more effective ways' to discpline children which work in every case. How would you recommend a 2 year old with a 40 word vocabulary be disciplined ? Pett wrote: for example, when a child decides to push his whole head out of a moving vehicle. So not half the head, just the whole ? No offence, but people without children should not be allowed to enter this debate, that is where all unrealistic opinions stem from IMO. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Christian Graus wrote: No offence, but people without children should not be allowed to enter this debate, that is where all unrealistic opinions stem from IMO. Why ? Everybody has been a child before, we all know the problem seen from the other point of view :rolleyes:
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Christian Graus wrote: If it's needed or not depends on the child. Ok, I almost see your viewpoint, but sometimes it's not the kid but the parent that needs educating. There are some lousy parents about, and it appears they are the folk best at breeding at times. One rule I think any parent that wishes to smack their child should follow, is to never smack a child out of anger or frustration. If this rule is broken it shows you are using emotion rather than logic, and are not considering what is best for the child. But yeah every child is different, and every situation is different. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
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Colin Davies wrote: One rule I think any parent that wishes to smack their child should follow, is to never smack a child out of anger or frustration. If this rule is broken it shows you are using emotion rather than logic, and are not considering what is best for the child. Absolutely - my parents smacked out of anger and all it taught me was that they were bigger than me and able to enforce their will. I discuss with Hannah first why I need to smack, I smack ONCE, and I discuss afterward what she needs to do in future. If I think it will be as beneficial, I skip the smack and just talk. When she was younger, the smack was needed more often. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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Christian Graus wrote: No offence, but people without children should not be allowed to enter this debate, that is where all unrealistic opinions stem from IMO. Why ? Everybody has been a child before, we all know the problem seen from the other point of view :rolleyes:
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KaЯl wrote: Why ? Everybody has been a child before, we all know the problem seen from the other point of view No, you don't. You remember not liking being punished. I wrote my mother a letter, telling her why I thought she was a terrible parent. I so wish I had waited until I had kids before presuming to talk about what is good and bad. I still think she was a bad parent, but I no longer expect parents to have all the answers, because I know what it's like to be one. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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It's not just the fact that you say NO, it's how you say it... I just do not belive in hitting children at all. They rememebr it (even if you think they don't). I do.
I'm sorry to hear you were hit in anger. I remember having hidings as a child - and I'm grateful for them. They were disciplined affairs, both parents present. A discussion preceded the hiding, where we discussed what I had done, why this could endanger my future, or why my actions could have hurt someone. A number of smacks (on the backside with a leather slipper) was decided upon, and administered (usually my younger brother got 4 and I got 4 or 6, depending on whether or not I should have been responsible enough to stop him as well as myself. We had a great childhood, but were always up to mischief, as only healthy kids can be). As I said, although they made me cry at the time, I was never bruised. I can also thank my father for giving us these hidings (although he later revealed to us that he had absolutely hated doing this when we were kids) as we are now both healthy adults with a firm sense of morality. My 3 cousins in England never got hidings - the 2 boys (now in their 30's) are in and out of jail for drug related offenses, and the girl (now 32) has a child of 14, and another of 11. Extreme case perhaps, but I'm still glad I got hidings. :)
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Christian Graus wrote: I should send you people my 2 year old for a bit, there is obviously some trick I am missing Put him on a plane !! I'll pick him up. -> I have never smacked my kids. My reasoning is that, I'll sort things out before it becomes a problem. The wife thinks I have to much control over the kids because I can make them cry by telling them that they have upset me. ->I hope that I never have to smack them, but I'd do it if I thought it was necessary, after seeking all other alternatives or their life's were endangered. No, even though I think smacking isn't needed I still don't want that right removed from me. ->Unfortunatly a lot of other parents still seem to use physical punishment far to easily. Smacking or even threatening to smack a child on a regular basis, I see as stupidity, and proof that a parent has a lack of communication with the child. My opinions anyhow. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
This is true - I would imagine that if smacking were used for every small offense they would eventually just ignore it as much as kids seem to ignore parents who swear at them all the time.
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KaЯl wrote: Why ? Everybody has been a child before, we all know the problem seen from the other point of view No, you don't. You remember not liking being punished. I wrote my mother a letter, telling her why I thought she was a terrible parent. I so wish I had waited until I had kids before presuming to talk about what is good and bad. I still think she was a bad parent, but I no longer expect parents to have all the answers, because I know what it's like to be one. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Christian Graus wrote: still think she was a bad parent, but I no longer expect parents to have all the answers That's perhaps the difference, I think I was quiet well educated, so I think I've a model to follow. Even I've haven't any kid yet (:~ :rolleyes:), I can also see how others do and judge more objectively the result. However I've to say you're probably right, you have experience I lack on this point
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