The Second American Revolution
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http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=542171[^] The Internet is a large-scale version of the "Committees of Correspondence" that led to the first American Revolution — and with Washington's failings now so obvious and awful, it may lead to another. People are asking, "Is the government doing us more harm than good? Should we change what it does and the way it does it?" Pruning the power of government begins with the imperial presidency. Too many overreaching laws give the president too much discretion to make too many open-ended rules controlling too many aspects of our lives. There's no end to the harm an out-of-control president can do. Bill Clinton lowered the culture, moral tone and strength of the nation — and left America vulnerable to attack. When it came, George W. Bush stood up for America, albeit sometimes clumsily. Barack Obama, however, has pulled off the ultimate switcheroo: He's diminishing America from within — so far, successfully. He may soon bankrupt us and replace our big merit-based capitalist economy with a small government-directed one of his own design. He is undermining our constitutional traditions: The rule of law and our Anglo-Saxon concepts of private property hang in the balance. Obama may be the most "consequential" president ever. The Wall Street Journal's steadfast Dorothy Rabinowitz wrote that Barack Obama is "an alien in the White House." His bullying and offenses against the economy and job creation are so outrageous that CEOs in the Business Roundtable finally mustered the courage to call him "anti-business." Veteran Democrat Sen. Max Baucus blurted out that Obama is engineering the biggest government-forced "redistribution of income" in history. Fear and uncertainty stalk the land. Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke says America's financial future is "unusually uncertain." A Wall Street "fear gauge" based on predicted market volatility is flashing long-term panic. New data on the federal budget confirm that record-setting deficits in the $1.4 trillion range are now endemic. Obama is building an imperium of public debt and crushing taxes, contrary to George Washington's wise farewell admonition: "cherish public credit ... use it as sparingly as possible ... avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt ... bear in mind, that towards the payment of
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http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=542171[^] The Internet is a large-scale version of the "Committees of Correspondence" that led to the first American Revolution — and with Washington's failings now so obvious and awful, it may lead to another. People are asking, "Is the government doing us more harm than good? Should we change what it does and the way it does it?" Pruning the power of government begins with the imperial presidency. Too many overreaching laws give the president too much discretion to make too many open-ended rules controlling too many aspects of our lives. There's no end to the harm an out-of-control president can do. Bill Clinton lowered the culture, moral tone and strength of the nation — and left America vulnerable to attack. When it came, George W. Bush stood up for America, albeit sometimes clumsily. Barack Obama, however, has pulled off the ultimate switcheroo: He's diminishing America from within — so far, successfully. He may soon bankrupt us and replace our big merit-based capitalist economy with a small government-directed one of his own design. He is undermining our constitutional traditions: The rule of law and our Anglo-Saxon concepts of private property hang in the balance. Obama may be the most "consequential" president ever. The Wall Street Journal's steadfast Dorothy Rabinowitz wrote that Barack Obama is "an alien in the White House." His bullying and offenses against the economy and job creation are so outrageous that CEOs in the Business Roundtable finally mustered the courage to call him "anti-business." Veteran Democrat Sen. Max Baucus blurted out that Obama is engineering the biggest government-forced "redistribution of income" in history. Fear and uncertainty stalk the land. Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke says America's financial future is "unusually uncertain." A Wall Street "fear gauge" based on predicted market volatility is flashing long-term panic. New data on the federal budget confirm that record-setting deficits in the $1.4 trillion range are now endemic. Obama is building an imperium of public debt and crushing taxes, contrary to George Washington's wise farewell admonition: "cherish public credit ... use it as sparingly as possible ... avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt ... bear in mind, that towards the payment of
A War of Independence is only a Revolution from the point of view of the Colonialists. E.G., the Indian 'Mutiny' was the first Indian War of Independence. As for the rest - it is your country, do something about it.
Bob Emmett New Eugenicist - The weekly magazine for intelligent parenting. Published by the New World Order Press.
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http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=542171[^] The Internet is a large-scale version of the "Committees of Correspondence" that led to the first American Revolution — and with Washington's failings now so obvious and awful, it may lead to another. People are asking, "Is the government doing us more harm than good? Should we change what it does and the way it does it?" Pruning the power of government begins with the imperial presidency. Too many overreaching laws give the president too much discretion to make too many open-ended rules controlling too many aspects of our lives. There's no end to the harm an out-of-control president can do. Bill Clinton lowered the culture, moral tone and strength of the nation — and left America vulnerable to attack. When it came, George W. Bush stood up for America, albeit sometimes clumsily. Barack Obama, however, has pulled off the ultimate switcheroo: He's diminishing America from within — so far, successfully. He may soon bankrupt us and replace our big merit-based capitalist economy with a small government-directed one of his own design. He is undermining our constitutional traditions: The rule of law and our Anglo-Saxon concepts of private property hang in the balance. Obama may be the most "consequential" president ever. The Wall Street Journal's steadfast Dorothy Rabinowitz wrote that Barack Obama is "an alien in the White House." His bullying and offenses against the economy and job creation are so outrageous that CEOs in the Business Roundtable finally mustered the courage to call him "anti-business." Veteran Democrat Sen. Max Baucus blurted out that Obama is engineering the biggest government-forced "redistribution of income" in history. Fear and uncertainty stalk the land. Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke says America's financial future is "unusually uncertain." A Wall Street "fear gauge" based on predicted market volatility is flashing long-term panic. New data on the federal budget confirm that record-setting deficits in the $1.4 trillion range are now endemic. Obama is building an imperium of public debt and crushing taxes, contrary to George Washington's wise farewell admonition: "cherish public credit ... use it as sparingly as possible ... avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt ... bear in mind, that towards the payment of
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
He is undermining our constitutional traditions: The rule of law and our Anglo-Saxon concepts of private property hang in the balance.
Let's see, Race, Politics, Delusions, capitalism and hysteria. In a single sentence. It's rare that I make submissions, as I rarely find things genuinely amusing enough, but this time I think I'm going to do so. FSTDT thanks you for this submission. But I'm going to have to cite the original authors.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
He is undermining our constitutional traditions: The rule of law and our Anglo-Saxon concepts of private property hang in the balance.
Let's see, Race, Politics, Delusions, capitalism and hysteria. In a single sentence. It's rare that I make submissions, as I rarely find things genuinely amusing enough, but this time I think I'm going to do so. FSTDT thanks you for this submission. But I'm going to have to cite the original authors.
I gleamed this gem from the propaganda "Bill Clinton lowered the culture, moral tone and strength of the nation — and left America vulnerable to attack." So the president gets a hummer and so the country goes into a tizzy. How does national security get connected to a hummer? How can a blow job count against that? If Congress with the help of Clinton gave Bush a surplus for the budget and then a Republican lead congress and president take it away doesn't that make it the responsibility of the Republicans for it being in the state it is now? The comments are also particularly telling of how mind numbing idiotic this propaganda is. Then again what do you expect from a racist bigot and the racist bigot website. edit I did some digging because I'd remembered something else about these clowns. They criticized the health care plan proposed by Obama and the NHS of Britain citing Hawking as an example. He later corrected them and stated he wouldn't be here today if it weren't for the NHS. Socialized medicine worked for him. end edit
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
modified on Monday, August 2, 2010 8:52 AM
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http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=542171[^] The Internet is a large-scale version of the "Committees of Correspondence" that led to the first American Revolution — and with Washington's failings now so obvious and awful, it may lead to another. People are asking, "Is the government doing us more harm than good? Should we change what it does and the way it does it?" Pruning the power of government begins with the imperial presidency. Too many overreaching laws give the president too much discretion to make too many open-ended rules controlling too many aspects of our lives. There's no end to the harm an out-of-control president can do. Bill Clinton lowered the culture, moral tone and strength of the nation — and left America vulnerable to attack. When it came, George W. Bush stood up for America, albeit sometimes clumsily. Barack Obama, however, has pulled off the ultimate switcheroo: He's diminishing America from within — so far, successfully. He may soon bankrupt us and replace our big merit-based capitalist economy with a small government-directed one of his own design. He is undermining our constitutional traditions: The rule of law and our Anglo-Saxon concepts of private property hang in the balance. Obama may be the most "consequential" president ever. The Wall Street Journal's steadfast Dorothy Rabinowitz wrote that Barack Obama is "an alien in the White House." His bullying and offenses against the economy and job creation are so outrageous that CEOs in the Business Roundtable finally mustered the courage to call him "anti-business." Veteran Democrat Sen. Max Baucus blurted out that Obama is engineering the biggest government-forced "redistribution of income" in history. Fear and uncertainty stalk the land. Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke says America's financial future is "unusually uncertain." A Wall Street "fear gauge" based on predicted market volatility is flashing long-term panic. New data on the federal budget confirm that record-setting deficits in the $1.4 trillion range are now endemic. Obama is building an imperium of public debt and crushing taxes, contrary to George Washington's wise farewell admonition: "cherish public credit ... use it as sparingly as possible ... avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt ... bear in mind, that towards the payment of
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http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=542171[^] The Internet is a large-scale version of the "Committees of Correspondence" that led to the first American Revolution — and with Washington's failings now so obvious and awful, it may lead to another. People are asking, "Is the government doing us more harm than good? Should we change what it does and the way it does it?" Pruning the power of government begins with the imperial presidency. Too many overreaching laws give the president too much discretion to make too many open-ended rules controlling too many aspects of our lives. There's no end to the harm an out-of-control president can do. Bill Clinton lowered the culture, moral tone and strength of the nation — and left America vulnerable to attack. When it came, George W. Bush stood up for America, albeit sometimes clumsily. Barack Obama, however, has pulled off the ultimate switcheroo: He's diminishing America from within — so far, successfully. He may soon bankrupt us and replace our big merit-based capitalist economy with a small government-directed one of his own design. He is undermining our constitutional traditions: The rule of law and our Anglo-Saxon concepts of private property hang in the balance. Obama may be the most "consequential" president ever. The Wall Street Journal's steadfast Dorothy Rabinowitz wrote that Barack Obama is "an alien in the White House." His bullying and offenses against the economy and job creation are so outrageous that CEOs in the Business Roundtable finally mustered the courage to call him "anti-business." Veteran Democrat Sen. Max Baucus blurted out that Obama is engineering the biggest government-forced "redistribution of income" in history. Fear and uncertainty stalk the land. Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke says America's financial future is "unusually uncertain." A Wall Street "fear gauge" based on predicted market volatility is flashing long-term panic. New data on the federal budget confirm that record-setting deficits in the $1.4 trillion range are now endemic. Obama is building an imperium of public debt and crushing taxes, contrary to George Washington's wise farewell admonition: "cherish public credit ... use it as sparingly as possible ... avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt ... bear in mind, that towards the payment of
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The Second American Revolution. ie the Third English Civil War.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
At least the fifth civil war. There was the Feuds of the Norman/Saxon/Danes. Wars of the Roses The English Civil War The Anglo/Scots and Anglo/Welsh Wars Plus others. It is the same as saying WW2 was the second world war, it so wasn't. There were the Napoleonic Wars which covered four continents, and the Roman Empire Wars that covered the three known continents.
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At least the fifth civil war. There was the Feuds of the Norman/Saxon/Danes. Wars of the Roses The English Civil War The Anglo/Scots and Anglo/Welsh Wars Plus others. It is the same as saying WW2 was the second world war, it so wasn't. There were the Napoleonic Wars which covered four continents, and the Roman Empire Wars that covered the three known continents.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Don't forget the Big Bone River War, where Ook and his tribe invented the bone club and began a massive incursion across the river to attack the neighboring tribe of Ook (They were all "Ook" at that point. Names hadn't been invented yet).
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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At least the fifth civil war. There was the Feuds of the Norman/Saxon/Danes. Wars of the Roses The English Civil War The Anglo/Scots and Anglo/Welsh Wars Plus others. It is the same as saying WW2 was the second world war, it so wasn't. There were the Napoleonic Wars which covered four continents, and the Roman Empire Wars that covered the three known continents.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
There was the Feuds of the Norman/Saxon/Danes
Nope. Theye werent English.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Wars of the Roses The English Civil War
I'll give you those, but the English Civil war was idealogically similar to the US revoloution/other English civil war that they deserve special treatment.
Dalek Dave wrote:
The Anglo/Scots and Anglo/Welsh Wars
They (opponents) arent English either.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Plus others.
You mean the catholic/protestant 'war' resulting in the invasion of England by Wiliam of Orange (Nasau and Vianden by the way) resulting in two startling insignificant battles at Wincanton and Reading? As for the French, what have they got to do with English civil wars?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Dalek Dave wrote:
There was the Feuds of the Norman/Saxon/Danes
Nope. Theye werent English.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Wars of the Roses The English Civil War
I'll give you those, but the English Civil war was idealogically similar to the US revoloution/other English civil war that they deserve special treatment.
Dalek Dave wrote:
The Anglo/Scots and Anglo/Welsh Wars
They (opponents) arent English either.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Plus others.
You mean the catholic/protestant 'war' resulting in the invasion of England by Wiliam of Orange (Nasau and Vianden by the way) resulting in two startling insignificant battles at Wincanton and Reading? As for the French, what have they got to do with English civil wars?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
The Anglo Scots war was between British Tribes fighing on British Soil, so kinda is a civil war. The Norman king was king of Britain, the Saxons were the British at that point and had been for many hundreds of years, and the Danes similarly held swathes of Britain. Study more history before correcting those that have!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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The Anglo Scots war was between British Tribes fighing on British Soil, so kinda is a civil war. The Norman king was king of Britain, the Saxons were the British at that point and had been for many hundreds of years, and the Danes similarly held swathes of Britain. Study more history before correcting those that have!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Could you be any more pedantic? No, don't answer that.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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The Anglo Scots war was between British Tribes fighing on British Soil, so kinda is a civil war. The Norman king was king of Britain, the Saxons were the British at that point and had been for many hundreds of years, and the Danes similarly held swathes of Britain. Study more history before correcting those that have!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
I said 'English', a term originally used to describe the various tribes of saxons, jutes, angles and danes (who came under christian southern rule) during alfreds time. British is actually a term that originally applied to the celtic (pre saxon) inhabitants of the southern part of the British iles and more correctly known as Brythonic Celts, as opposed to Goedelic Celts who inhabited Scotland and Ireland. The Brythonic Celts used a language of the same name, and following the invasion of the Saxons and their subsequent migration to Britany took their language there. Today Breton (Breizh), Cornish and Welsh are are still very close languages. If you know any Welsh you will know the 'Bara brieth' is the term for 'Welsh bread'. Clearly, the term Brythonic, British, Breith, Breton, Prythian too was also used, are all the same word at root. The term 'Welsh' actualy stems from the Saxon word for foreigner. As does 'Cornwall', which means 'west foreigner' in old Saxon. The use of the term British later in history came about after the union of Wales scotland and England, reviving the older word, and making it palatable to at least the Welsh, the original British people. As for William, he became an English king, but was of Danish descent, from King Rollo of Demark, who was given the land at the mouth of the Seine by the French king in the 10th century. Let me ask you a quesiton, do you speak English or British? I think that provides you with a nice deffinition of the difference between the two terms. So, stick that in your pipe and smoke it! ;P
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Could you be any more pedantic? No, don't answer that.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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The Anglo Scots war was between British Tribes fighing on British Soil, so kinda is a civil war. The Norman king was king of Britain, the Saxons were the British at that point and had been for many hundreds of years, and the Danes similarly held swathes of Britain. Study more history before correcting those that have!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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I said 'English', a term originally used to describe the various tribes of saxons, jutes, angles and danes (who came under christian southern rule) during alfreds time. British is actually a term that originally applied to the celtic (pre saxon) inhabitants of the southern part of the British iles and more correctly known as Brythonic Celts, as opposed to Goedelic Celts who inhabited Scotland and Ireland. The Brythonic Celts used a language of the same name, and following the invasion of the Saxons and their subsequent migration to Britany took their language there. Today Breton (Breizh), Cornish and Welsh are are still very close languages. If you know any Welsh you will know the 'Bara brieth' is the term for 'Welsh bread'. Clearly, the term Brythonic, British, Breith, Breton, Prythian too was also used, are all the same word at root. The term 'Welsh' actualy stems from the Saxon word for foreigner. As does 'Cornwall', which means 'west foreigner' in old Saxon. The use of the term British later in history came about after the union of Wales scotland and England, reviving the older word, and making it palatable to at least the Welsh, the original British people. As for William, he became an English king, but was of Danish descent, from King Rollo of Demark, who was given the land at the mouth of the Seine by the French king in the 10th century. Let me ask you a quesiton, do you speak English or British? I think that provides you with a nice deffinition of the difference between the two terms. So, stick that in your pipe and smoke it! ;P
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
If I may interject, your reply contains a few questionable statements. You seem to be mixing up racial terminology with political groupings. The political groupings are what is important when dealing with a civil war. Indeed racial tensions inside a single country have sparked civil wars. 1 - The term English might have originally meant the groups you mentioned, but the "British" (i.e. the Welsh) were never completely removed from what is now England. The ones that remained would have been considered English too, by the time this phrase came into being. 2 - Irrespective of what the term English originally meant it was, until quite recently (and incorrectly), used interchangeably with British. 3 - Whilst the name British does indeed cover the groups you mentioned, (and possibly the Basques too, though the evidence for this is unclear) this is a racial description. The common (and legal) usage in English describes all inhabitants of the UK and the Channel Islands (Broadly) as British. It is only in the last few decades that people have started to define themselves as English / Scottish / Welsh again, notably with the rise in nationalism (in the non-pejorative sense). I'm ignoring Ireland + Ulster because it is far too complicated. Until the 1950s most of these people would have said they are "British", some people (especially ex-army, like DD, and older people) still use it in preference. 4 - The term British did indeed come later in history, but this is the modern usage in English, the racial meaning is rarely used. As you say, it only came into common currency after the act of union, but the idea comes from the Late Middle ages. King Arthur was king of the Britons (and Briton is used in its racial sense here) but the idea of a "King of the British Isles" (as Arthur was also supposed to have been) became powerful in the Mediaeval Mind. The term was never meant to be palatable to the Welsh, appeasing the Scots would have been more important as the Welsh were already well (and long) integrated by that time. Most of the Long-Bowyers at the battles of Crecy and Agincourt were Welsh. 5 - Yes, William became king, but not an English King. He became King of England, but continued to consider himself Norman. Indeed it wasn't until Edward III that the kings started to consider themselves as English, despite having such poor (and decidedly Norman) French that they could barely communicate with their French royal counterparts. 6 - Everyone in the British Isles speaks English, so do the Americans (argua
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http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=542171[^] The Internet is a large-scale version of the "Committees of Correspondence" that led to the first American Revolution — and with Washington's failings now so obvious and awful, it may lead to another. People are asking, "Is the government doing us more harm than good? Should we change what it does and the way it does it?" Pruning the power of government begins with the imperial presidency. Too many overreaching laws give the president too much discretion to make too many open-ended rules controlling too many aspects of our lives. There's no end to the harm an out-of-control president can do. Bill Clinton lowered the culture, moral tone and strength of the nation — and left America vulnerable to attack. When it came, George W. Bush stood up for America, albeit sometimes clumsily. Barack Obama, however, has pulled off the ultimate switcheroo: He's diminishing America from within — so far, successfully. He may soon bankrupt us and replace our big merit-based capitalist economy with a small government-directed one of his own design. He is undermining our constitutional traditions: The rule of law and our Anglo-Saxon concepts of private property hang in the balance. Obama may be the most "consequential" president ever. The Wall Street Journal's steadfast Dorothy Rabinowitz wrote that Barack Obama is "an alien in the White House." His bullying and offenses against the economy and job creation are so outrageous that CEOs in the Business Roundtable finally mustered the courage to call him "anti-business." Veteran Democrat Sen. Max Baucus blurted out that Obama is engineering the biggest government-forced "redistribution of income" in history. Fear and uncertainty stalk the land. Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke says America's financial future is "unusually uncertain." A Wall Street "fear gauge" based on predicted market volatility is flashing long-term panic. New data on the federal budget confirm that record-setting deficits in the $1.4 trillion range are now endemic. Obama is building an imperium of public debt and crushing taxes, contrary to George Washington's wise farewell admonition: "cherish public credit ... use it as sparingly as possible ... avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt ... bear in mind, that towards the payment of
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I said 'English', a term originally used to describe the various tribes of saxons, jutes, angles and danes (who came under christian southern rule) during alfreds time. British is actually a term that originally applied to the celtic (pre saxon) inhabitants of the southern part of the British iles and more correctly known as Brythonic Celts, as opposed to Goedelic Celts who inhabited Scotland and Ireland. The Brythonic Celts used a language of the same name, and following the invasion of the Saxons and their subsequent migration to Britany took their language there. Today Breton (Breizh), Cornish and Welsh are are still very close languages. If you know any Welsh you will know the 'Bara brieth' is the term for 'Welsh bread'. Clearly, the term Brythonic, British, Breith, Breton, Prythian too was also used, are all the same word at root. The term 'Welsh' actualy stems from the Saxon word for foreigner. As does 'Cornwall', which means 'west foreigner' in old Saxon. The use of the term British later in history came about after the union of Wales scotland and England, reviving the older word, and making it palatable to at least the Welsh, the original British people. As for William, he became an English king, but was of Danish descent, from King Rollo of Demark, who was given the land at the mouth of the Seine by the French king in the 10th century. Let me ask you a quesiton, do you speak English or British? I think that provides you with a nice deffinition of the difference between the two terms. So, stick that in your pipe and smoke it! ;P
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Consider it smoked. It does not negate the fact that there have been many civil wars, however yours is a very comprehensive answer, and I applaud you for it. Credit where it is due, Sir!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Now, I recanted all of this form memory. I hope you have had a chance to google it and see that indeed, when it comes to being right, you are only a beginner in the company of a master! ;P ;)
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I humourously flip you the bird!
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If I may interject, your reply contains a few questionable statements. You seem to be mixing up racial terminology with political groupings. The political groupings are what is important when dealing with a civil war. Indeed racial tensions inside a single country have sparked civil wars. 1 - The term English might have originally meant the groups you mentioned, but the "British" (i.e. the Welsh) were never completely removed from what is now England. The ones that remained would have been considered English too, by the time this phrase came into being. 2 - Irrespective of what the term English originally meant it was, until quite recently (and incorrectly), used interchangeably with British. 3 - Whilst the name British does indeed cover the groups you mentioned, (and possibly the Basques too, though the evidence for this is unclear) this is a racial description. The common (and legal) usage in English describes all inhabitants of the UK and the Channel Islands (Broadly) as British. It is only in the last few decades that people have started to define themselves as English / Scottish / Welsh again, notably with the rise in nationalism (in the non-pejorative sense). I'm ignoring Ireland + Ulster because it is far too complicated. Until the 1950s most of these people would have said they are "British", some people (especially ex-army, like DD, and older people) still use it in preference. 4 - The term British did indeed come later in history, but this is the modern usage in English, the racial meaning is rarely used. As you say, it only came into common currency after the act of union, but the idea comes from the Late Middle ages. King Arthur was king of the Britons (and Briton is used in its racial sense here) but the idea of a "King of the British Isles" (as Arthur was also supposed to have been) became powerful in the Mediaeval Mind. The term was never meant to be palatable to the Welsh, appeasing the Scots would have been more important as the Welsh were already well (and long) integrated by that time. Most of the Long-Bowyers at the battles of Crecy and Agincourt were Welsh. 5 - Yes, William became king, but not an English King. He became King of England, but continued to consider himself Norman. Indeed it wasn't until Edward III that the kings started to consider themselves as English, despite having such poor (and decidedly Norman) French that they could barely communicate with their French royal counterparts. 6 - Everyone in the British Isles speaks English, so do the Americans (argua
I wouldnt tell a Welshman he is English! Desribing a Scots English battle as a British civil war is to view the event from 300 or more years in the future. No doubt, if I had the ability to read the future and that future saw the UK become a Muslim state governed by the Taliban, I could call the Afghan war a UK civil war. Clearly we cant apply future knowledge or understanding in this way. The Socts-English war was a war between two nations. As was the Saxon war against the Britons. Heres a quick test for you, name two differences between Norman French and Parisien French (without googling!) :)
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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I wouldnt tell a Welshman he is English! Desribing a Scots English battle as a British civil war is to view the event from 300 or more years in the future. No doubt, if I had the ability to read the future and that future saw the UK become a Muslim state governed by the Taliban, I could call the Afghan war a UK civil war. Clearly we cant apply future knowledge or understanding in this way. The Socts-English war was a war between two nations. As was the Saxon war against the Britons. Heres a quick test for you, name two differences between Norman French and Parisien French (without googling!) :)
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
I wouldnt tell a Welshman he is English!
Neither would I! But Wales has always been considered to be merely an annex of England (a Principality), never a separate nation. No mention of Wales was made in the Monarch's title (never 'King of England & Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and France'), nor did it ever appear on the coat of arms.
Bob Emmett New Eugenicist - The weekly magazine for intelligent parenting. Published by the New World Order Press.