More on the NOAA satelite temperature data errors.
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Interesting, and also a major fuck up. Of course, reading a temperature of 605`F over the great lakes is a different matter entirely.
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I think only possible if they are Great Lakes of Lead! (Check melting point of lead, it is around that figure).
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I think only possible if they are Great Lakes of Lead! (Check melting point of lead, it is around that figure).
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In Britain we swap depending on how hot or cold it is. When it is hot we call it in F and when it is cold we call it in C. Odd innit?
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In Britain we swap depending on how hot or cold it is. When it is hot we call it in F and when it is cold we call it in C. Odd innit?
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So Luton is always in C? I came through this morning and fek me if them monkeys weren't singing castrato!
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In Britain we swap depending on how hot or cold it is. When it is hot we call it in F and when it is cold we call it in C. Odd innit?
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http://objectivistindividualist.blogspot.com/[^] "NOAA, which generates the primary temperature records in the U.S. and supplies its raw data to NASA and the CRU at the University of East Anglia in the UK. NOAA has not been very forthright with what is going on, but it has admitted that the NOAA-16 satellite has severe sensor problems. Then they also admitted that other satellites have suffered degradation of their sensors. Finally, Charles Pistis, Program Coordinator of the Michigan Sea Grant Extension admits that satellite data going back to 2005 may have been corrupted by bad data" Fuck you you "its only one sensor" people! :) ;P "The satellite data is fed automatically into records" fuck me. Call this science? What a surprise, one more completely unscientific fuck up after another. Tell me, where is the automatic freak data alert? The sensor calibration? Science? This is mockery. And what really pisses me off is the damage these cunts are doing to the name of science. They have fucked it up, the same way cunts of old fucked up originally decent religions. Greed, power lust, and self importance. The failings of man have finally corrupted the one truly great thing mankind ever created. Science. Well fucking done! :mad:
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fat_boy wrote:
Greed, power lust, and self importance. The failings of man have finally corrupted the one truly great thing mankind ever created. Science.
Oh please chicken little, get a fucking grip, the sensor broke, people realised, pulled the data and made an announcement. It's not the end of science :laugh: :laugh:
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fat_boy wrote:
Greed, power lust, and self importance. The failings of man have finally corrupted the one truly great thing mankind ever created. Science.
Oh please chicken little, get a fucking grip, the sensor broke, people realised, pulled the data and made an announcement. It's not the end of science :laugh: :laugh:
"has admitted that the NOAA-16 satellite has severe sensor problems. Then they also admitted that other satellites have suffered degradation of their sensors. Finally, Charles Pistis, Program Coordinator of the Michigan Sea Grant Extension admits that satellite data going back to 2005 may have been corrupted by bad data" How many more times do you want me to post that before you actually read it? When is it going to get into your thick skull that the problems with the sensors are endemic, have been for years, and have only recently been spotted?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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"has admitted that the NOAA-16 satellite has severe sensor problems. Then they also admitted that other satellites have suffered degradation of their sensors. Finally, Charles Pistis, Program Coordinator of the Michigan Sea Grant Extension admits that satellite data going back to 2005 may have been corrupted by bad data" How many more times do you want me to post that before you actually read it? When is it going to get into your thick skull that the problems with the sensors are endemic, have been for years, and have only recently been spotted?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Would you not expect that working parts of satellites would degrade?
fat_boy wrote:
When is it going to get into your thick skull that the problems with the sensors are endemic, have been for years, and have only recently been spotted?
When you can show some evidence. If I'm right what you are claiming is that there are all these satellites and other pieces of measuring equipment that produce data which is then analyzed by 1000's of scientists from different countries, different backgrounds, different areas of study and expertise and all of them have known that the data they were working with was bad but didn't say anything because of Al Gore. And then thanks to a GW skeptic's web site you've exposed the truth here at CP and we're all so stupid we cant see what you can so you swear at us. Does that about sum it up?
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Would you not expect that working parts of satellites would degrade?
fat_boy wrote:
When is it going to get into your thick skull that the problems with the sensors are endemic, have been for years, and have only recently been spotted?
When you can show some evidence. If I'm right what you are claiming is that there are all these satellites and other pieces of measuring equipment that produce data which is then analyzed by 1000's of scientists from different countries, different backgrounds, different areas of study and expertise and all of them have known that the data they were working with was bad but didn't say anything because of Al Gore. And then thanks to a GW skeptic's web site you've exposed the truth here at CP and we're all so stupid we cant see what you can so you swear at us. Does that about sum it up?
Josh Gray wrote:
Would you not expect that working parts of satellites would degrade?
Yes, thats why I would callibrate them every month at least. Not only that I would also flag up and freak data that tended to indicate a sensor failure.
Josh Gray wrote:
When you can show some evidence.
ITS A QUOTE FROM NOAA! THEY RUN THE DAMN SATELLLITE! Let me quote it again and see if it sinks in this time: "NOAA has...admitted that the NOAA-16 satellite has severe sensor problems. Then they also admitted that other satellites have suffered degradation of their sensors. Finally, Charles Pistis, Program Coordinator of the Michigan Sea Grant Extension admits that satellite data going back to 2005 may have been corrupted by bad data"
Josh Gray wrote:
all of them have known that the data they were working with was bad
No, they didnt CHECK the data. Just like with Hansen, and Mann when McKytric got hold of their programs and data they found serious scientific methodology flaws that rendered the output wrong.
Josh Gray wrote:
we're all so stupid we cant see what you can
I have had to requote the link three times now. Whether you are stupid or not is up to your ability to read it and understand.
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http://objectivistindividualist.blogspot.com/[^] "NOAA, which generates the primary temperature records in the U.S. and supplies its raw data to NASA and the CRU at the University of East Anglia in the UK. NOAA has not been very forthright with what is going on, but it has admitted that the NOAA-16 satellite has severe sensor problems. Then they also admitted that other satellites have suffered degradation of their sensors. Finally, Charles Pistis, Program Coordinator of the Michigan Sea Grant Extension admits that satellite data going back to 2005 may have been corrupted by bad data" Fuck you you "its only one sensor" people! :) ;P "The satellite data is fed automatically into records" fuck me. Call this science? What a surprise, one more completely unscientific fuck up after another. Tell me, where is the automatic freak data alert? The sensor calibration? Science? This is mockery. And what really pisses me off is the damage these cunts are doing to the name of science. They have fucked it up, the same way cunts of old fucked up originally decent religions. Greed, power lust, and self importance. The failings of man have finally corrupted the one truly great thing mankind ever created. Science. Well fucking done! :mad:
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
You linked to an anti-GW blog, which references another anti-GW blog, which doesn't seem to bother linking to the sources of its quotes, except for those we already knew about, regarding the single broken sensor. Great demonstration of the research and reporting quality of the anti-GW extremists. If you're going to point out every technical problem, every typo, and every ambiguous statement in every global warming study ever done, the LEAST you can do is link to the actual statements. Climatechangefraud is just as stupid and useless as infowars.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Would you not expect that working parts of satellites would degrade?
Yes, thats why I would callibrate them every month at least. Not only that I would also flag up and freak data that tended to indicate a sensor failure.
Josh Gray wrote:
When you can show some evidence.
ITS A QUOTE FROM NOAA! THEY RUN THE DAMN SATELLLITE! Let me quote it again and see if it sinks in this time: "NOAA has...admitted that the NOAA-16 satellite has severe sensor problems. Then they also admitted that other satellites have suffered degradation of their sensors. Finally, Charles Pistis, Program Coordinator of the Michigan Sea Grant Extension admits that satellite data going back to 2005 may have been corrupted by bad data"
Josh Gray wrote:
all of them have known that the data they were working with was bad
No, they didnt CHECK the data. Just like with Hansen, and Mann when McKytric got hold of their programs and data they found serious scientific methodology flaws that rendered the output wrong.
Josh Gray wrote:
we're all so stupid we cant see what you can
I have had to requote the link three times now. Whether you are stupid or not is up to your ability to read it and understand.
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fat_boy wrote:
"NOAA has...admitted that the NOAA-16 satellite has severe sensor problems. Then they also admitted that other satellites have suffered degradation of their sensors. Finally, Charles Pistis, Program Coordinator of the Michigan Sea Grant Extension admits that satellite data going back to 2005 may have been corrupted by bad data"
We found a problem and it's not the first time we've found a problem. It's possible there are other problems we dont know about. Replace the word problem with bug and its a description of any piece of software in the world. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
fat_boy wrote:
No, they didnt CHECK the data.
How do you know this? But more interestingly what do you suggest is the motivation for the 1000's of scientist not checking these pieces of data? Poor scientific method, lack of review, funding pressure, laziness, conspiracy?
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In Britain we swap depending on how hot or cold it is. When it is hot we call it in F and when it is cold we call it in C. Odd innit?
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Dalek Dave wrote:
When it is hot we call it in F and when it is cold we call it in C.
Yes, that's right: never gave it much thought but we do! How odd. Bi-lingual and didn't even know it!
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fat_boy wrote:
"NOAA has...admitted that the NOAA-16 satellite has severe sensor problems. Then they also admitted that other satellites have suffered degradation of their sensors. Finally, Charles Pistis, Program Coordinator of the Michigan Sea Grant Extension admits that satellite data going back to 2005 may have been corrupted by bad data"
We found a problem and it's not the first time we've found a problem. It's possible there are other problems we dont know about. Replace the word problem with bug and its a description of any piece of software in the world. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
fat_boy wrote:
No, they didnt CHECK the data.
How do you know this? But more interestingly what do you suggest is the motivation for the 1000's of scientist not checking these pieces of data? Poor scientific method, lack of review, funding pressure, laziness, conspiracy?
It does look like he may be right on this one and your refusal to accept not what he is saying but what the NOAA is saying appears more than a little churlish.
Josh Gray wrote:
Replace the word problem with bug and its a description of any piece of software in the world. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Deflection and misdirection - come on - even you must see how weak that sounds.
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fat_boy wrote:
"NOAA has...admitted that the NOAA-16 satellite has severe sensor problems. Then they also admitted that other satellites have suffered degradation of their sensors. Finally, Charles Pistis, Program Coordinator of the Michigan Sea Grant Extension admits that satellite data going back to 2005 may have been corrupted by bad data"
We found a problem and it's not the first time we've found a problem. It's possible there are other problems we dont know about. Replace the word problem with bug and its a description of any piece of software in the world. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
fat_boy wrote:
No, they didnt CHECK the data.
How do you know this? But more interestingly what do you suggest is the motivation for the 1000's of scientist not checking these pieces of data? Poor scientific method, lack of review, funding pressure, laziness, conspiracy?
Josh Gray wrote:
fat_boy wrote: No, they didnt CHECK the data. How do you know this?
So they did check it and didnt notice it read 605`F? You really think they are that stupid? Ijust had them down as crap scientists, not mentally defective.
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You linked to an anti-GW blog, which references another anti-GW blog, which doesn't seem to bother linking to the sources of its quotes, except for those we already knew about, regarding the single broken sensor. Great demonstration of the research and reporting quality of the anti-GW extremists. If you're going to point out every technical problem, every typo, and every ambiguous statement in every global warming study ever done, the LEAST you can do is link to the actual statements. Climatechangefraud is just as stupid and useless as infowars.
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It does look like he may be right on this one and your refusal to accept not what he is saying but what the NOAA is saying appears more than a little churlish.
Josh Gray wrote:
Replace the word problem with bug and its a description of any piece of software in the world. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Deflection and misdirection - come on - even you must see how weak that sounds.
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digital man wrote:
It does look like he may be right on this one and your refusal to accept not what he is saying but what the NOAA is saying appears more than a little churlish.
I accept what they're saying. They made an error, a serious one, perhaps not for the first or last time and they've published details of it. What should they have done? What I dont accept is that this reflects in any way on all science related to climate change or whatever you want to call it.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
When it is hot we call it in F and when it is cold we call it in C.
Yes, that's right: never gave it much thought but we do! How odd. Bi-lingual and didn't even know it!
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digital man wrote:
It does look like he may be right on this one and your refusal to accept not what he is saying but what the NOAA is saying appears more than a little churlish.
I accept what they're saying. They made an error, a serious one, perhaps not for the first or last time and they've published details of it. What should they have done? What I dont accept is that this reflects in any way on all science related to climate change or whatever you want to call it.
Josh Gray wrote:
reflects in any way on all science
So, lets have a quick review: 1) Hansesn. After McKytrick FINALLY got hold of his data and SW he discovered a serious error forcing Hansen to re do his data which now showed the 1930's as the hottest decade and 1938 the hotest year. 2) Mann. After McKytick pulled his hockey stick apart, even Mann was so embarrased he admitted it should not have been used so prominently. 3) NOAA removing high altitude and rural stations from their data set (almost half the weather stations used to compile global temperature data are now from airports) and then fill in the gaps with calculated data leading to such absurdities as the center of greenland being 5 degrees hotter this year when there arent even any stations in the center of greenland. 4) IPCC. Where do we start. The AR4 has had so many errors discovered in it from melting glacier errors (lies) to quotes fomr third party non scientific opinion pieces. (WWF for example) Now, are you telling me that all these 'errors' which have been exposed by sceptics could not have been picked up by propper peer review, or propper scientific methodology? 5) And then we come to the plain absird. The famous Global Windy is the new Global Warming study which by using wind as a proxy for temperature now shows that in fact the troposphere IS warming in line with GH gas theory. 6) Hansen adjusting for UHI affects by using night time satellite photos when those weather stations coiuld be in a small town, but right next to a heat exchanger, like many are. You want to know if all climate science is corrupt. No it isnt. But all Climate Change (AKA Global Warming) science is. If you dont see that then you are an idiot.
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digital man wrote:
It does look like he may be right on this one and your refusal to accept not what he is saying but what the NOAA is saying appears more than a little churlish.
I accept what they're saying. They made an error, a serious one, perhaps not for the first or last time and they've published details of it. What should they have done? What I dont accept is that this reflects in any way on all science related to climate change or whatever you want to call it.
Josh Gray wrote:
What should they have done?
They could have said something like 'Hang on a second: a lot of our data appears to be unusable, corrupt or wrong for a variety of reasons therefore we need to start again and reevaluate since all the numbers from the last 5 years may be sending us down the wrong path' or something like that. Don't expect they will. Personally I am happy to accept that the climate is changing: I'd be surprised if it wasn't given the environmental history of our shiny orb. What I'm not ready to accept is that a) it's all our fault and b) even if it was all our fault that we can do anything about it. Most of the thrust of GW appears to be about tax and control and I wouldn't mind the tax part if I thought it would do anything but you and I both know that the taxes will never get used to help the environment: they'll get eaten up by a politicians pet interests or corruption. And whilst I accept that fat_git is a little irritating when it comes to GW I'd rather he were that than silent so that we all simply accept what we are told without question. Surely that is religion, not science.
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Josh Gray wrote:
reflects in any way on all science
So, lets have a quick review: 1) Hansesn. After McKytrick FINALLY got hold of his data and SW he discovered a serious error forcing Hansen to re do his data which now showed the 1930's as the hottest decade and 1938 the hotest year. 2) Mann. After McKytick pulled his hockey stick apart, even Mann was so embarrased he admitted it should not have been used so prominently. 3) NOAA removing high altitude and rural stations from their data set (almost half the weather stations used to compile global temperature data are now from airports) and then fill in the gaps with calculated data leading to such absurdities as the center of greenland being 5 degrees hotter this year when there arent even any stations in the center of greenland. 4) IPCC. Where do we start. The AR4 has had so many errors discovered in it from melting glacier errors (lies) to quotes fomr third party non scientific opinion pieces. (WWF for example) Now, are you telling me that all these 'errors' which have been exposed by sceptics could not have been picked up by propper peer review, or propper scientific methodology? 5) And then we come to the plain absird. The famous Global Windy is the new Global Warming study which by using wind as a proxy for temperature now shows that in fact the troposphere IS warming in line with GH gas theory. 6) Hansen adjusting for UHI affects by using night time satellite photos when those weather stations coiuld be in a small town, but right next to a heat exchanger, like many are. You want to know if all climate science is corrupt. No it isnt. But all Climate Change (AKA Global Warming) science is. If you dont see that then you are an idiot.
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- I replied to digital man and gave up on you for a reason 2) Items 1 - 5 dont relate in any way to the topic of this thread. What exactly do you want to discuss?
fat_boy wrote:
If you dont see that then you are an idiot.
blah blah if you dont agree with me I'll call you names blah blah