Gee, I wonder what GW is going to do to the place?
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Lets look at the point NASA make one by one. The evidence for rapid climate change is compelling: 1) Sea level rise. Yes, it has risen. And has done since the last ice age. And perhaps there is evidence that since 2000 the rise has been at double the rate of the last century. How this is explained by warming when the last 10 years hasnt seen any warming is bizare. 2) Global temperature rise etc. This is very queationable. Jones himself described the post 70's warming period as stastically indifferent to the previous three periods over the last 150 years. Dalys website (what the stations say) shows raw data form around the world. It paints a very different picture. We have also come out of the little ice age, the codest period for 10000 years, over which there is a gradual decline in temperatures. 3) Warming oceans. ditto. 4) Shrinking ice sheets. Antarctic sea ice is gaining in area, and temperatures there have been falling for 70 years. Northen ice sheets will be shrinking because it is warming, although the temperatures today in the US, Arcitc, Greenland, Canada and siberia are not as high as they were in the 1930's. (what the stations say) 5) Declining Arctic sea ice. Note they dont say 'declining antarctic sea ice' because it isnt. In fact global sea ice is constant. 6) Glacial retreat. Some are, some arent. In the 19th century glaciers advanced in Switzerland destroying farms and villages because of the little ice age. We are receovering from that so it is expected that they will shrink. 7) Extreme events. THere is no proof that extreme events are increasing in frequency. 8) Ocean acidification. This is happening, but has nothing to do with warming. Warming and cooling will always happen. And has always happened. Their graph of CO2 does not show the entire picture with CO2 at levels of thousands of PPM because they want to give the impresion that CO2 is responsible for these events whereas in fact there is no evidence at all that CO2 is causing warming. It should, in theory, but for example NASA also said recently that CO2 high in the atmosphere is responsible for cooling. So, is th enet effect of warming at the surface and cooling in the upper laters caneclling each other out and is this why no effect of CO2 can be detected in th etemperature records?
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fat_boy wrote:
- Shrinking ice sheets. Antarctic sea ice is gaining in area
But is it gaining or losing VOLUME, which is what really matters?
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The earths resources are renewable, but the Old Age Pension is not.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The earths resources are renewable
Unlike the brain cells you f_cked using crack
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The earths resources are renewable
Unlike the brain cells you f_cked using crack
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
Nagy Vilmos of United Kingdom
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over.
What a miserable roach you are, with the name of Nagy Vilmos, makes me want to crunch you under my boot.
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Nagy Vilmos of United Kingdom
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over.
What a miserable roach you are, with the name of Nagy Vilmos, makes me want to crunch you under my boot.
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Should I laugh or pity you? Your capacity for original thought is marginally short of a sponge's. A dead sponge. Get a life and with that you'll get a worth-while opinion. Until that, you are a twat. A c_ck loving twat. When you've held a job, any job, for a year then you can talk about work. When you've written any commercial software, then you can boast your coding prowess. When you've left you're mother's side, then you can comment about other parts of the world. Until then, you can just STFU and will be treated with utter contempt. BTW, have fun on the pizza run.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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Should I laugh or pity you? Your capacity for original thought is marginally short of a sponge's. A dead sponge. Get a life and with that you'll get a worth-while opinion. Until that, you are a twat. A c_ck loving twat. When you've held a job, any job, for a year then you can talk about work. When you've written any commercial software, then you can boast your coding prowess. When you've left you're mother's side, then you can comment about other parts of the world. Until then, you can just STFU and will be treated with utter contempt. BTW, have fun on the pizza run.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
I've done all of those things, and much much more. Don't you get it? You are the pathetic little cockroach. The little boy creature that lives in the United Kingdom. You have no life worth living, such a miserable existence you have to deal with (well actually you don't). Soon enough you will be in Council Housing with only the government to take care of you. Nobody will be around to shed a tear for you, euthanasia will be your only option. Wave to the authorities next time you look out the window, you little itsy bitsy tiny thing.
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I've done all of those things, and much much more. Don't you get it? You are the pathetic little cockroach. The little boy creature that lives in the United Kingdom. You have no life worth living, such a miserable existence you have to deal with (well actually you don't). Soon enough you will be in Council Housing with only the government to take care of you. Nobody will be around to shed a tear for you, euthanasia will be your only option. Wave to the authorities next time you look out the window, you little itsy bitsy tiny thing.
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Funny, I've been to more countries then you've visted states. I've lived in four of the continents, wotked in three and have houses - note plural - in two countries. You're the idiot, still stuck on momma with no job, no prospects and no future. Your life life to date amounts to zip. Come back and shout how clever you are when you actually do something more radical then tossing into the mayo
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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Funny, I've been to more countries then you've visted states. I've lived in four of the continents, wotked in three and have houses - note plural - in two countries. You're the idiot, still stuck on momma with no job, no prospects and no future. Your life life to date amounts to zip. Come back and shout how clever you are when you actually do something more radical then tossing into the mayo
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
I've been to more countries then you've visted states. I've lived in four of the continents, wotked in three and have houses - note plural - in two countries.
Your puny countries are the size of states, and your travels are a sign of dissatisfaction and unhappiness. Crunch.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
I've been to more countries then you've visted states. I've lived in four of the continents, wotked in three and have houses - note plural - in two countries.
Your puny countries are the size of states, and your travels are a sign of dissatisfaction and unhappiness. Crunch.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Your puny countries are the size of states,
As I count America as one of the countries I have worked in, your point is lost.
CaptaainSeeSharp wrote:
your travels are a sign of dissatisfaction and unhappiness.
Most of the countries I have lived in been because of my work. Yup I have a job doofus. The countries I didn't /choose/ to live in were because of my Father's job. So you see, I've travelled becauase I have life and not to get one; which you sorly lack. If you took your head out of the glue bag for one minute, you'd soon realise that the reason you are ridiculed is because your life to date amounts to nothing, all you can do is regurgitated Alex's shit. Get YOUR OWN OPINION and people will listen to you. Repeat other's and this'll carry on.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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Being a "global phenomenon" does not mean that everything is getting warmer. It means the effect is not local or regional, as in it isn't focused on one geographical area. Ambiguous wording, perhaps, but not incorrect.
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fat_boy wrote:
- Shrinking ice sheets. Antarctic sea ice is gaining in area
But is it gaining or losing VOLUME, which is what really matters?
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
But is it gaining or losing VOLUME, which is what really matters?
Oh really? Volume is what matters is it? And you came to this conclusion yourself or did you read it somewhere? What actually matters is temperature. And the Antarctic has ben getting colder for 60 years, and sea ice has been increasing. So if the volume is reducing, then it can only mean that precipitation has reduced. Is this to be expected with a cooling climate in the region? Who knows. (In fact Greenland is gaining thickness but loosing area so this could be the case). But clearly it isnt getting warmer in antarctica, and THATS the important point. And it is important because the theory of GH gas warming is that the poles sould warm the most. And only one is. So its not GH gas warming, Its a shift of heat from the southern hemisphere to the north or some such. As for the rest of mu points you didnt contradict them, can I take this as implicit agreement?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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That's one reason I can't take your claims seriously - you are prone to exaggeration.
Regards David R --------------------------------------------------------------- "Every program eventually becomes rococo, and then rubble." - Alan Perlis The only valid measurement of code quality: WTFs/minute.
riced wrote:
That's one reason I can't take your claims seriously - you are prone to exaggeration.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: And saying that the flood in pakistan is the worst flood ever, despite qualifiy that by 'in the countries history, which is the truth. And of course if that history only extsnds back 60 years, which is the case with pakistan, its not very much. Or didnt you know that Pakistan was created when India left the British Empire?
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riced wrote:
That's one reason I can't take your claims seriously - you are prone to exaggeration.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: And saying that the flood in pakistan is the worst flood ever, despite qualifiy that by 'in the countries history, which is the truth. And of course if that history only extsnds back 60 years, which is the case with pakistan, its not very much. Or didnt you know that Pakistan was created when India left the British Empire?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Ho hum, here we go again. In your previous reply you said: Well, I meant in human recorded history. So records of Scottish temperatures were kept as far back as say the Sumerians or Herodotus? (Depend when you think human recorded history started.) If you actually meant since records began, say so and give the date (or is it 'not very much').
fat_boy wrote:
And saying that the flood in pakistan is the worst flood ever, despite qualifiy that by 'in the countries history, which is the truth. And of course if that history only extsnds back 60 years, which is the case with pakistan, its not very much.
I never said that and even if I had done so that still does not mean your claims are not exaggerated (or, alternatively, you are just plain sloppy in your claims - like some researchers you berate? :) ).
fat_boy wrote:
Or didnt you know that Pakistan was created when India left the British Empire?
I learned that at school many years ago. And again it's irrelevant - questioning what I know is a tactic to divert attention from the fact that you make claims that when questioned do not stand up because they are exaggerated.
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I've done all of those things, and much much more. Don't you get it? You are the pathetic little cockroach. The little boy creature that lives in the United Kingdom. You have no life worth living, such a miserable existence you have to deal with (well actually you don't). Soon enough you will be in Council Housing with only the government to take care of you. Nobody will be around to shed a tear for you, euthanasia will be your only option. Wave to the authorities next time you look out the window, you little itsy bitsy tiny thing.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I've done all of those things, and much much more.
In your drug induced fantasies! Well, you may have held a 'job' for more than a year, part time, at the "Awffle Waffle Hut", serving chemically polluted junk, for $5 an hour. But that is not a real job, you know. You have never written any commercial software, you do not have the aptitude or ability. You merely plagiarise others' efforts[^], Captain SeeVee. Glad to hear that your mother finally threw you out. Your "Bitty! Bitty!" demands got too embarrassing for her, eh?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Council Housing
Well, that shows how much you know of the UK. Thatcher sold off most of those before you were born. UK currently has 68% owner occupied housing, much in line with the USA.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Wave to the authorities next time you look out the window
You do the same - oh, wait, your cameras are covert. Well, just keep waving and saying 'Hello' wherever you are and whatever you are doing.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are the pathetic little cockroach. The little boy creature that lives in the United Kingdom. You have no life worth living, such a miserable existence you have to deal with (well actually you don't).
Projection: A belief or assumption that others have similar thoughts and experiences as oneself.
Bob Emmett "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" -Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I've done all of those things, and much much more.
In your drug induced fantasies! Well, you may have held a 'job' for more than a year, part time, at the "Awffle Waffle Hut", serving chemically polluted junk, for $5 an hour. But that is not a real job, you know. You have never written any commercial software, you do not have the aptitude or ability. You merely plagiarise others' efforts[^], Captain SeeVee. Glad to hear that your mother finally threw you out. Your "Bitty! Bitty!" demands got too embarrassing for her, eh?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Council Housing
Well, that shows how much you know of the UK. Thatcher sold off most of those before you were born. UK currently has 68% owner occupied housing, much in line with the USA.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Wave to the authorities next time you look out the window
You do the same - oh, wait, your cameras are covert. Well, just keep waving and saying 'Hello' wherever you are and whatever you are doing.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are the pathetic little cockroach. The little boy creature that lives in the United Kingdom. You have no life worth living, such a miserable existence you have to deal with (well actually you don't).
Projection: A belief or assumption that others have similar thoughts and experiences as oneself.
Bob Emmett "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" -Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher
Bob Emmett wrote:
Projection: A belief or assumption that others have similar thoughts and experiences as oneself
+5 all the way. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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How stupid do you want to make yourself look? "The heat wave was a global phenomenon". Get it, heat wave? A period of heat?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Yes, I know what heat is... But why do you keep assuming that being "global" means it's affecting EVERYTHING? If it hits parts of North America, Asia, and Africa (or whichever regions it was - I'm caring less about this by the second) it's global, as opposed to regional.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Ian Shlasko wrote:
But is it gaining or losing VOLUME, which is what really matters?
Oh really? Volume is what matters is it? And you came to this conclusion yourself or did you read it somewhere? What actually matters is temperature. And the Antarctic has ben getting colder for 60 years, and sea ice has been increasing. So if the volume is reducing, then it can only mean that precipitation has reduced. Is this to be expected with a cooling climate in the region? Who knows. (In fact Greenland is gaining thickness but loosing area so this could be the case). But clearly it isnt getting warmer in antarctica, and THATS the important point. And it is important because the theory of GH gas warming is that the poles sould warm the most. And only one is. So its not GH gas warming, Its a shift of heat from the southern hemisphere to the north or some such. As for the rest of mu points you didnt contradict them, can I take this as implicit agreement?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Nice attempt at a redirect, but it's not going to work. You keep talking about increasing area... But if the area increases and the thickness drops, well then is there MORE ice or less? THAT's what matters when talking about the ice caps. The amount of ice that is on the cap instead of adding to sea levels.
fat_boy wrote:
What actually matters is temperature. And the Antarctic has ben getting colder for 60 years, and sea ice has been increasing.
You're using increased AREA to imply decreased temperatures... Like I said, VOLUME is what matters. Do you have any evidence of colder temperatures besides the surface area of the ice sheets, or are we done here?
fat_boy wrote:
As for the rest of mu points you didnt contradict them, can I take this as implicit agreement?
No, I just don't feel like discussing the same old crap with you over and over again, so I'm just picking one point to comment on. Honestly, I don't know why I bother... This is like trying to talk sense to CSS... Utterly pointless.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Ho hum, here we go again. In your previous reply you said: Well, I meant in human recorded history. So records of Scottish temperatures were kept as far back as say the Sumerians or Herodotus? (Depend when you think human recorded history started.) If you actually meant since records began, say so and give the date (or is it 'not very much').
fat_boy wrote:
And saying that the flood in pakistan is the worst flood ever, despite qualifiy that by 'in the countries history, which is the truth. And of course if that history only extsnds back 60 years, which is the case with pakistan, its not very much.
I never said that and even if I had done so that still does not mean your claims are not exaggerated (or, alternatively, you are just plain sloppy in your claims - like some researchers you berate? :) ).
fat_boy wrote:
Or didnt you know that Pakistan was created when India left the British Empire?
I learned that at school many years ago. And again it's irrelevant - questioning what I know is a tactic to divert attention from the fact that you make claims that when questioned do not stand up because they are exaggerated.
Regards David R --------------------------------------------------------------- "Every program eventually becomes rococo, and then rubble." - Alan Perlis The only valid measurement of code quality: WTFs/minute.
riced wrote:
(Depend when you think human recorded history started.)
Take a gues since we are tlaking about scotish temperatures...
riced wrote:
I never said
Didnt say you did. I heard/read it on/in the media.
riced wrote:
I learned that at school
Good.
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Yes, I know what heat is... But why do you keep assuming that being "global" means it's affecting EVERYTHING? If it hits parts of North America, Asia, and Africa (or whichever regions it was - I'm caring less about this by the second) it's global, as opposed to regional.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Nice attempt at a redirect, but it's not going to work. You keep talking about increasing area... But if the area increases and the thickness drops, well then is there MORE ice or less? THAT's what matters when talking about the ice caps. The amount of ice that is on the cap instead of adding to sea levels.
fat_boy wrote:
What actually matters is temperature. And the Antarctic has ben getting colder for 60 years, and sea ice has been increasing.
You're using increased AREA to imply decreased temperatures... Like I said, VOLUME is what matters. Do you have any evidence of colder temperatures besides the surface area of the ice sheets, or are we done here?
fat_boy wrote:
As for the rest of mu points you didnt contradict them, can I take this as implicit agreement?
No, I just don't feel like discussing the same old crap with you over and over again, so I'm just picking one point to comment on. Honestly, I don't know why I bother... This is like trying to talk sense to CSS... Utterly pointless.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
You're using increased AREA to imply decreased temperatures
No, I am using raw station data form Antarctic to state that temperatures are decreasing. And I am not going to send you the link again.
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