The Government's New Right to Track Your Every Move With GPS
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201315000[^] Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway - and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements. :mad::mad::mad: This just makes me so mad. I suspect things are going to become extremely nightmarish pretty soon. The government is pure evil, no doubt about it.
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Is anyone else surprised that CSS actually posted a legitimate news story without a ridiculous amount of anti-government spin, huge exaggerations, or--
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The government is pure evil, no doubt about it.
Oh well... He came close. Good try, CSS. This is still a huge improvement over your usual InfoWars crap. This does look like a serious issue, and though it currently only affects eight states, sets a dangerous precedent for the rest. Only solution I see is to get the federal or state legislatures to draft a law to cover this scenario, and make sure that's brought under the umbrella of wiretapping (Or SOMETHING that would require a warrant). The only argument against that is that it's the same as having a police car "tail" you. The difference, though, is that this could be left on and monitored indefinitely for minimal cost, while a "tail" requires an actual use of manpower, so is only done when the police are actively building a case. So, start writing your congressman and senator, CSS... You actually have a valid argument this time. Just try not to curse at them... They tend to ignore that sort of drivel.
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liberal: not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms. You are using "liberal" in the perverted way that "conservative", "left", "right", "socialist", "fascist", et al, are used in political discussions in the USA.
Bob Emmett "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" -Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher
In other words, not bound by law and moral codes.
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Didn't all this tracking and invasion of your privacy, tapping your phone, etc etc started with this republican guy, what was his name... oh yeah, George W. Bush?? I think it was called the Patriot Act or something like that... this is what you wanted 8 or 9 years ago, this is what you have... so don't come here complaining about it, I'm pretty sure you were a big supporter of W during his presidency
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
I am absolutely against the patriot act, and Bush was Obama lite. You are an idiot, this isn't about who has a R or a D next to their name, its about liberty vs tyranny. Fucking moron. Obama renewed the patriot act, what do you think about that?
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Is anyone else surprised that CSS actually posted a legitimate news story without a ridiculous amount of anti-government spin, huge exaggerations, or--
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The government is pure evil, no doubt about it.
Oh well... He came close. Good try, CSS. This is still a huge improvement over your usual InfoWars crap. This does look like a serious issue, and though it currently only affects eight states, sets a dangerous precedent for the rest. Only solution I see is to get the federal or state legislatures to draft a law to cover this scenario, and make sure that's brought under the umbrella of wiretapping (Or SOMETHING that would require a warrant). The only argument against that is that it's the same as having a police car "tail" you. The difference, though, is that this could be left on and monitored indefinitely for minimal cost, while a "tail" requires an actual use of manpower, so is only done when the police are actively building a case. So, start writing your congressman and senator, CSS... You actually have a valid argument this time. Just try not to curse at them... They tend to ignore that sort of drivel.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)It is a matter of property rights number one, and a matter of privacy number two.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Just try not to curse at them... They tend to ignore that sort of drivel.
They ignore everything else too, including the law, most importantly the highest law of the land (the constitution).
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The government is pure evil, no doubt about it.
You are slightly mistaken here. Your government may be misguided, it might be making choices you don't agree with, but it is not evil. People who rationalise the murder of millions by industrialised genocide are evil.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
Perhaps you don't understand illegitimate power, and what it can do to people. The government is evil. It is a sickly kind of evil.
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It is a matter of property rights number one, and a matter of privacy number two.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Just try not to curse at them... They tend to ignore that sort of drivel.
They ignore everything else too, including the law, most importantly the highest law of the land (the constitution).
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They ignore everything else too, including the law, most importantly the highest law of the land (the constitution).
Now you're just changing the subject. Are you going to write your congressmen, or just complain on a forum that no politicians care about?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They ignore everything else too, including the law, most importantly the highest law of the land (the constitution).
Now you're just changing the subject. Are you going to write your congressmen, or just complain on a forum that no politicians care about?
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Are you going to write your congressmen,
No, I'm going to vote his ass out.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Are you going to write your congressmen,
No, I'm going to vote his ass out.
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So you'll write the next guy? You know whoever comes after him will be pretty much the same... They all are. Like you said, The "D" and "R" are pretty much meaningless. A politician is a politician.
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I am absolutely against the patriot act, and Bush was Obama lite. You are an idiot, this isn't about who has a R or a D next to their name, its about liberty vs tyranny. Fucking moron. Obama renewed the patriot act, what do you think about that?
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Perhaps you don't understand illegitimate power, and what it can do to people. The government is evil. It is a sickly kind of evil.
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Come back when you've lived in a country with NO choices. Where the government is unelected. You have no idea what so ever what evil is. Go back to cooking socks.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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Come back when you've lived in a country with NO choices. Where the government is unelected. You have no idea what so ever what evil is. Go back to cooking socks.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
Hell, it is not too far off in the future for America.
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Hell, it is not too far off in the future for America.
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In other words, not bound by law and moral codes.
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Perhaps you don't understand illegitimate power, and what it can do to people. The government is evil. It is a sickly kind of evil.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Perhaps you don't understand illegitimate power, and what it can do to people.
You ain't seen nothin' yet.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is a sickly kind of evil.
Well, then, it will probably wither away and die.
Bob Emmett "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" -Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher
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Perhaps you don't understand illegitimate power, and what it can do to people. The government is evil. It is a sickly kind of evil.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Perhaps you don't understand illegitimate power, and what it can do to people. The government is evil. It is a sickly kind of evil.
So just leave the country, if you don't like it. I am sure, highly trained employees like yourself will easly find a new job wherever they want. I mean, a young aspiring chef, developer and pharmacist... you have all chances in the world. Hahaha!
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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Yes, able to think for oneself and question established laws and morals.
Bob Emmett "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" -Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher
Questioning property rights, liberty, and the most basic and fundamental long standing moral principles. Yes, that's liberal.
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Questioning property rights, liberty, and the most basic and fundamental long standing moral principles. Yes, that's liberal.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Questioning property rights
Those would be anarchists - All property is theft - not liberals.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Questioning ... liberty
liberal: from Latin liberalis, from liber, free liberty: from Latin libertas, from liber, free Nope, try again.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Questioning ... the most basic and fundamental [redundant] long standing moral principles.
(basic: Of, relating to, or forming a base; fundamental) What is wrong with that? Are you some kind of dogmatic Puritan, like the Talibani? liberal: associated with ideals of individual (especially economic) freedom; greater individual participation in government; and the constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives.
Bob Emmett "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" -Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Questioning property rights
Those would be anarchists - All property is theft - not liberals.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Questioning ... liberty
liberal: from Latin liberalis, from liber, free liberty: from Latin libertas, from liber, free Nope, try again.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Questioning ... the most basic and fundamental [redundant] long standing moral principles.
(basic: Of, relating to, or forming a base; fundamental) What is wrong with that? Are you some kind of dogmatic Puritan, like the Talibani? liberal: associated with ideals of individual (especially economic) freedom; greater individual participation in government; and the constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives.
Bob Emmett "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" -Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher
"Liberals" nowadays (in America at least) lean toward an unconstitutionally powerful central government, with few rights reserved for the states or the citizens who live in them. It's not a misrepresentation of the word "liberal" so much as it is the American Left having started down this dangerous road some years back. Political/social conservatives here are far more likely to support property and privacy rights than are those who identify themselves as being liberal. Though more related to property rights than privacy, a good example of this is the case of Kelo vs. New London[^]. At that time (2005), the US Supreme Court was made up of 4 conservatives, 4 liberals, and one center-left justice. In this famous Eminent Domain case, the 4 liberal and the center-left justices voted against Ms Kelo. This allowed the city of New London to take her home and then pass it directly to Phizer Corp. All 4 conservative justices wrote scathing dissents in the case, while the left-leaning justices thought it just fine and dandy to favor one private entity (Phizer) over another (Ms Kelo).
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"Liberals" nowadays (in America at least) lean toward an unconstitutionally powerful central government, with few rights reserved for the states or the citizens who live in them. It's not a misrepresentation of the word "liberal" so much as it is the American Left having started down this dangerous road some years back. Political/social conservatives here are far more likely to support property and privacy rights than are those who identify themselves as being liberal. Though more related to property rights than privacy, a good example of this is the case of Kelo vs. New London[^]. At that time (2005), the US Supreme Court was made up of 4 conservatives, 4 liberals, and one center-left justice. In this famous Eminent Domain case, the 4 liberal and the center-left justices voted against Ms Kelo. This allowed the city of New London to take her home and then pass it directly to Phizer Corp. All 4 conservative justices wrote scathing dissents in the case, while the left-leaning justices thought it just fine and dandy to favor one private entity (Phizer) over another (Ms Kelo).
Alan Burkhart wrote:
"Liberals" nowadays (in America at least) lean toward an unconstitutionally powerful central government,
Then stop calling them liberals - they ain't.
Alan Burkhart wrote:
It's not a misrepresentation of the word "liberal"
Yes it is.
Alan Burkhart wrote:
At that time (2005), the US Supreme Court was made up of 4 conservatives, 4 liberals, and one center-left justice.
Again, "conservative", "liberal", "left", ..., terms that have been so perverted in common usage as to be meaningless.
Bob Emmett "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" -Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher
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Alan Burkhart wrote:
"Liberals" nowadays (in America at least) lean toward an unconstitutionally powerful central government,
Then stop calling them liberals - they ain't.
Alan Burkhart wrote:
It's not a misrepresentation of the word "liberal"
Yes it is.
Alan Burkhart wrote:
At that time (2005), the US Supreme Court was made up of 4 conservatives, 4 liberals, and one center-left justice.
Again, "conservative", "liberal", "left", ..., terms that have been so perverted in common usage as to be meaningless.
Bob Emmett "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" -Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher
Bob Emmett wrote:
Again, "conservative", "liberal", "left", ..., terms that have been so perverted in common usage as to be meaningless.
These terms have changed over time, for whatever reason and by whatever means, and have taken on new meanings. Current-day liberals, our President included, have to a large degree embraced Socialism. That's not conspiracy theory. All you need do is look at their track record. Regardless of how they identify themselves, they are what they are. My advice to you would be to quit worrying over how lefties and righties label themselves and concern yourself instead with the issues that matter to you.