Damn, I want to be a socialist!
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Compared to our German cousins across the pond, we work 1,804 hours versus their 1,436 hours – the equivalent of nine extra 40-hour workweeks per year.[^] I would love to have 9 weeks of vacation and heath care.
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Are those 9 weeks of vacation worth 25% of your paycheck? Wikipedia: Income Tax rates by country[^] (Article[^])
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)It wouldn't be if that was all I was getting for the increased tax burden, but that isn't all I would get. I'd be getting health insurance, unemployment insurance, pension. All of these things come directly out of my after tax income (or cause my pay to be less to begin with) and are not included in the USA tax burden. So, Damn, I want to be a socialist! [Edit] Sorry didn't do the math. 1436/1804 = 79.6%. So, just on that basis alone, it would almost be worth it. Damn, I want to be a socialist.
modified on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:30 PM
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Check down the back of the sofa.
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]
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Compared to our German cousins across the pond, we work 1,804 hours versus their 1,436 hours – the equivalent of nine extra 40-hour workweeks per year.[^] I would love to have 9 weeks of vacation and heath care.
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Just steal stuff from other people, then you could match those Euro stats. Same difference.
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Just steal stuff from other people, then you could match those Euro stats. Same difference.
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It ought to be interesting kidnapping a primary care physician, let alone stealing the MRI machine if anything serious ever happens to him.
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Really, just steal stuff. For example, think of that sofa you bought. There are lots of wealthy companies who have furnished their lobbies. They have lots of money, you could take theirs because they can afford to buy another. That's like $700 right there. You can get you an mri for that price, yo?
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Really, just steal stuff. For example, think of that sofa you bought. There are lots of wealthy companies who have furnished their lobbies. They have lots of money, you could take theirs because they can afford to buy another. That's like $700 right there. You can get you an mri for that price, yo?
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism[^] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theft[^] ...nah...not that far apart, read it yourself. A particular action once considered theft, if then performed under the under socialism might no longer be deemed theft. However, the only subsitive difference is that maybe 1,000,000 people have OK'd the burgler's plan ahead of time and also provided a government apparatus to perform the action or coercive transaction against a victim whose personal property is taken.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism[^] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theft[^] ...nah...not that far apart, read it yourself. A particular action once considered theft, if then performed under the under socialism might no longer be deemed theft. However, the only subsitive difference is that maybe 1,000,000 people have OK'd the burgler's plan ahead of time and also provided a government apparatus to perform the action or coercive transaction against a victim whose personal property is taken.
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the definition of socialism is meaningless since this country is not socialist. Taxation is not theft. It occurs with our consent. So yes, you are way off base.
1. Re-read your original post (subject). It states a desire to be a socialist. I am only responding to that and that only. 2. Re-read my responses to see I have NOT stated that taxation is an indicator of a socialistic country. Nor, have I stated that taxation is theft. 3. I assume when you say 'our' country, that you are referring to the USA. You say 'this country is not socialist'. We are to a degree, depending on the particular year, a socialist nation. It fluctuates.
Carbon12 wrote:
It occurs with our consent
You have repeated to me what I wrote in my last post. It would do you good to read that post maybe twice, again. EDIT: 4. Also, if you really pay attention, my posts do not advocate any particular position on the matter. Is this your first time out as far as disussing something on the internet?
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1. Re-read your original post (subject). It states a desire to be a socialist. I am only responding to that and that only. 2. Re-read my responses to see I have NOT stated that taxation is an indicator of a socialistic country. Nor, have I stated that taxation is theft. 3. I assume when you say 'our' country, that you are referring to the USA. You say 'this country is not socialist'. We are to a degree, depending on the particular year, a socialist nation. It fluctuates.
Carbon12 wrote:
It occurs with our consent
You have repeated to me what I wrote in my last post. It would do you good to read that post maybe twice, again. EDIT: 4. Also, if you really pay attention, my posts do not advocate any particular position on the matter. Is this your first time out as far as disussing something on the internet?
1. Sorry you didn't realize that my "Damn, I want to be a socialist" wasn't sarcastic enough for you. Especially considering your definition of socialism which fits neither Germany nor the US. 2. I never indicated that you thought taxation was an indication of socialism.
puromtec1 wrote:
Nor, have I stated that taxation is theft.
Yes, that is exactly what you have said. Perhaps you need to reread this post of yours[^] and then this post[^]
puromtec1 wrote:
We are to a degree, depending on the particular year, a socialist nation. It fluctuates.
Nuance, good for you!
puromtec1 wrote:
You have repeated to me what I wrote in my last post
I don't think so. "A particular action once considered theft", "subsitive difference is that maybe 1,000,000 people have OK'd the burgler's plan ", "provided a government apparatus to perform the action or coercive transaction against a victim whose personal property is taken." These lines of yours are in response to what I said here: " it's moronic to compare paying taxes and receiving services to theft." "theft", "burgler", "coercive". No I was not repeating you. Taxation is not theft or burglery and I am not being coerced. What I did say is that it occurs with our consent.
puromtec1 wrote:
Also, if you really pay attention, my posts do not advocate any particular position on the matter
OK. So comparing taxation to burglary and theft is not advocating a position. Cool.
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1. Sorry you didn't realize that my "Damn, I want to be a socialist" wasn't sarcastic enough for you. Especially considering your definition of socialism which fits neither Germany nor the US. 2. I never indicated that you thought taxation was an indication of socialism.
puromtec1 wrote:
Nor, have I stated that taxation is theft.
Yes, that is exactly what you have said. Perhaps you need to reread this post of yours[^] and then this post[^]
puromtec1 wrote:
We are to a degree, depending on the particular year, a socialist nation. It fluctuates.
Nuance, good for you!
puromtec1 wrote:
You have repeated to me what I wrote in my last post
I don't think so. "A particular action once considered theft", "subsitive difference is that maybe 1,000,000 people have OK'd the burgler's plan ", "provided a government apparatus to perform the action or coercive transaction against a victim whose personal property is taken." These lines of yours are in response to what I said here: " it's moronic to compare paying taxes and receiving services to theft." "theft", "burgler", "coercive". No I was not repeating you. Taxation is not theft or burglery and I am not being coerced. What I did say is that it occurs with our consent.
puromtec1 wrote:
Also, if you really pay attention, my posts do not advocate any particular position on the matter
OK. So comparing taxation to burglary and theft is not advocating a position. Cool.
Just get your fellow country-men to agree with you to take another's property for your own good, then you will not have the guilt of a burgler. Ok, then it is not theft. Happy now? Forget discussing taxes, they are just a mechanism of collecting money from citizens.
Carbon12 wrote:
wasn't sarcastic enough for you
...and my suggesting that you should steal stuff wasn't either? You might not have an internet connection in jail to make silly statement on cp for me to read if you take it seriously ;P
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Just get your fellow country-men to agree with you to take another's property for your own good, then you will not have the guilt of a burgler. Ok, then it is not theft. Happy now? Forget discussing taxes, they are just a mechanism of collecting money from citizens.
Carbon12 wrote:
wasn't sarcastic enough for you
...and my suggesting that you should steal stuff wasn't either? You might not have an internet connection in jail to make silly statement on cp for me to read if you take it seriously ;P
puromtec1 wrote:
Just get your fellow country-men to agree with you to take another's property for your own good, then you will not have the guilt of a burgler. Ok, then it is not theft. Happy now?
And your real world example that related to vacation time for employees? Or universal health care?
puromtec1 wrote:
Forget discussing taxes,
Well, no. Things like universal health care and unemployment insurance are funded by taxes.
puromtec1 wrote:
and my suggesting that you should steal stuff wasn't either?
Nope. Especially since you have throughout this entire series you have repeated the same comparison over and over again. Everything says you are completely serious. Of course, being the obvious jackass that you are makes it all the more plausible that you believe your moronic drivel.
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puromtec1 wrote:
Just get your fellow country-men to agree with you to take another's property for your own good, then you will not have the guilt of a burgler. Ok, then it is not theft. Happy now?
And your real world example that related to vacation time for employees? Or universal health care?
puromtec1 wrote:
Forget discussing taxes,
Well, no. Things like universal health care and unemployment insurance are funded by taxes.
puromtec1 wrote:
and my suggesting that you should steal stuff wasn't either?
Nope. Especially since you have throughout this entire series you have repeated the same comparison over and over again. Everything says you are completely serious. Of course, being the obvious jackass that you are makes it all the more plausible that you believe your moronic drivel.
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puromtec1 wrote:
Just get your fellow country-men to agree with you to take another's property for your own good, then you will not have the guilt of a burgler. Ok, then it is not theft. Happy now?
And your real world example that related to vacation time for employees? Or universal health care?
puromtec1 wrote:
Forget discussing taxes,
Well, no. Things like universal health care and unemployment insurance are funded by taxes.
puromtec1 wrote:
and my suggesting that you should steal stuff wasn't either?
Nope. Especially since you have throughout this entire series you have repeated the same comparison over and over again. Everything says you are completely serious. Of course, being the obvious jackass that you are makes it all the more plausible that you believe your moronic drivel.
but really, are you just joking? This is comical what you wrote here...
Carbon12 wrote:
vacation time for employees
Do you work a normal job? When you negotiate a salary, the vacation is part of the negotiation. No coercion. Can you explain why you bring up vacation? I surely don't understand.
