What do you lot think of this?
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http://www.viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html[^] 'Abiotic oil'. Struck me as a load of cock, until I read the piece and thought, well, we do make synthetic oil for cars, and its very good stuff too. And then I thought of diamonds. How they are made, how hard they are to make in the lab, and how the forces at play in the mantle are immense, immense beyond our ability to reproduce. Perhaps there is something in it after all.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
It's good that it may not be running out but bad that an endless supply would dampen the enthusiasm for finding cleaner and more efficient means of power generation.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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http://www.viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html[^] 'Abiotic oil'. Struck me as a load of cock, until I read the piece and thought, well, we do make synthetic oil for cars, and its very good stuff too. And then I thought of diamonds. How they are made, how hard they are to make in the lab, and how the forces at play in the mantle are immense, immense beyond our ability to reproduce. Perhaps there is something in it after all.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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On the third day, he arose, hungry for brains.... :laugh:
Once you agree to clans, tribes, governments...you've opted for socialism. The rest is just details.
I wish I could 5 that!
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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RichardM1 wrote:
Dalek Dave wrote:
There is no heaven, there is no hell.
Hey Dave, you got proof of that, or are you a man of faith?
This one.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
Look up. Sky, clouds, outer space Look down. Crust, mantle, outer core, inner core No proof that heaven and hell exist, so doesn't it make more sense to just believe your eyes (Or, in the case of "down," seismographic research), and to file those things away with flying pink elephants, talking fish, and other things you might see while high on drugs?
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Wow... Do I wish I could 5 vote this... Awesome one, Dave :laugh:
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If it's true, it's pretty cool... It would mean that there isn't a limit to the SUPPLY of crude oil, just a limit to the long-term extraction RATE. Still, it would be preferable to minimize its use for fuel, due to the pollution caused by burning it.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Still, it would be preferable to minimize its use for fuel, due to the pollution caused by burning it.
and getting it. But that's just obvious to everyone. ;P
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Still, it would be preferable to minimize its use for fuel, due to the pollution caused by burning it.
and getting it. But that's just obvious to everyone. ;P
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Bah, there are no consequences to drilling for oil! No consequences for building long pipelines across hostile countries... No consequences for setting up huge deep water drilling platforms that could never possibly fail... At least, no consequences that [CEOs of oil companies] can be held responsible for. That's what's important, right? (If you're unsure, just assume this entire post is laced with sarcasm, because it is :) )
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Look up. Sky, clouds, outer space Look down. Crust, mantle, outer core, inner core No proof that heaven and hell exist, so doesn't it make more sense to just believe your eyes (Or, in the case of "down," seismographic research), and to file those things away with flying pink elephants, talking fish, and other things you might see while high on drugs?
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)When religion is finally gone and reason and logic remain maybe humanity can actually be civil and peaceful. Until then let the small minded bigots and carnival barkers of politics and fear carry on.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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On the third day, he arose, hungry for brains.... :laugh:
Once you agree to clans, tribes, governments...you've opted for socialism. The rest is just details.
I'll make sure I go for a head shot to keep the zombies down. :laugh:
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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It's good that it may not be running out but bad that an endless supply would dampen the enthusiasm for finding cleaner and more efficient means of power generation.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
I agree. The question I have is how do you get people who know that it is good to use cleaner energy and use it more efficient to do so? It's funny, not ha ha funny, how technology changes faster and further than people. We can split the atom, but not employment for everyone. When money's involved the bottom line turns into the moral and ethical right.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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When religion is finally gone and reason and logic remain maybe humanity can actually be civil and peaceful. Until then let the small minded bigots and carnival barkers of politics and fear carry on.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Interestingly, that seems to be slowly happening, albeit slowly... Every time I see one of those global surveys on religion, the atheist population seems to get a little bigger. Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one
-- John Lennon, "Imagine"Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
I'll make sure I go for a head shot to keep the zombies down. :laugh:
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
On the third day, he arose, hungry for brains.... :laugh:
Once you agree to clans, tribes, governments...you've opted for socialism. The rest is just details.
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I agree. The question I have is how do you get people who know that it is good to use cleaner energy and use it more efficient to do so? It's funny, not ha ha funny, how technology changes faster and further than people. We can split the atom, but not employment for everyone. When money's involved the bottom line turns into the moral and ethical right.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
wolfbinary wrote:
When money's involved the bottom line turns into the moral and ethical right.
That said, has anyone covered how much the 'unlimited supply' of oil would cost to produce? Even with all of it we'd ever need, if it's too expensive someone will make inroads with other technologies. The real problem right now is that Oil is still cheaper than most of it's alternatives, even before taking into account the infrastructure changes required to support them. Short of long lasting quick charge power cells for vehicles, which would still require some changes, there are some massive logistical hurdles behind any change over that would impact the average person directly. Which corporate bull is likely to just make that much worse, say if apple goes into the iCar market with it's proprietary power cell technology that it expects everyone else to keep in stock, while four other companies do the same thing, with different shapes, sizes, and anything they can to restrict people to their tech.
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wolfbinary wrote:
When money's involved the bottom line turns into the moral and ethical right.
That said, has anyone covered how much the 'unlimited supply' of oil would cost to produce? Even with all of it we'd ever need, if it's too expensive someone will make inroads with other technologies. The real problem right now is that Oil is still cheaper than most of it's alternatives, even before taking into account the infrastructure changes required to support them. Short of long lasting quick charge power cells for vehicles, which would still require some changes, there are some massive logistical hurdles behind any change over that would impact the average person directly. Which corporate bull is likely to just make that much worse, say if apple goes into the iCar market with it's proprietary power cell technology that it expects everyone else to keep in stock, while four other companies do the same thing, with different shapes, sizes, and anything they can to restrict people to their tech.
There are already moves afoot to stop phone manufacturers from having proprietry power supplies. From, (I believe, but am not 100% sure), 2014 all mobile phones sold in europe will have to have the same charger connection. That will piss off Apple! :) The same will happen with electric cars, the same size/rating/connections for batteries or else it will fail.
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There are already moves afoot to stop phone manufacturers from having proprietry power supplies. From, (I believe, but am not 100% sure), 2014 all mobile phones sold in europe will have to have the same charger connection. That will piss off Apple! :) The same will happen with electric cars, the same size/rating/connections for batteries or else it will fail.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
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I wish I could 5 that!
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Look up. Sky, clouds, outer space Look down. Crust, mantle, outer core, inner core No proof that heaven and hell exist, so doesn't it make more sense to just believe your eyes (Or, in the case of "down," seismographic research), and to file those things away with flying pink elephants, talking fish, and other things you might see while high on drugs?
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Do you have proof they do not exist, or do you just have faith they don't? I believe little invisible pink elephants are not flying around my head. Do you believe they are not flying around yours? But I don't know what exists around and through this universe. I know that string theory talks about a lot of dimensions we can't measure. Are you absolutely certain stuff isn't going on in those dimensions you don't know? I'm not asking him to believe, just to realize he has a belief, like you do.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
