Assault case closed
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Christian Graus wrote: How is 17 different to 19 ? I guess I am clouded by my own judgement here, but at seventeen I just couldn't conceive such things. I mean I could understand an assualt on a seventeen year old girl by a seventeen year old boy (not that I approve, but it is not hard to picture), but a barely six year old girl... I'm sorry, but I just can't picture that at all. Six years old for christ's sake - SIX! *sigh* Happening less than 100 yards from my house while I was inside probably doesn't help with this, nor the fact there is a primary school right opposite where it happened. Hopefully, if it is a sign of things to come, they have found the problem in enough time to prevent it taking hold again. I sure hope so anyway.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"Life, as well as software, has bugs." - Roger Wright
I think what he meant was that, for most of us, it wasn't something that was crossing our minds at 17 *or* 19... The guy is... seriously troubled... to say the least! :wtf: IMHO, the guy should be shot, or at least castrated and kept away from children for the rest of his life. It's to be hoped the girl will be able to recover mentally. Shog9 ------
Sitting in muddy water isn't such a bad life, if it ends after the first time... - Yoko Kanno, The Real Folk Blues
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I think what he meant was that, for most of us, it wasn't something that was crossing our minds at 17 *or* 19... The guy is... seriously troubled... to say the least! :wtf: IMHO, the guy should be shot, or at least castrated and kept away from children for the rest of his life. It's to be hoped the girl will be able to recover mentally. Shog9 ------
Sitting in muddy water isn't such a bad life, if it ends after the first time... - Yoko Kanno, The Real Folk Blues
Shog9 wrote: IMHO, the guy should be shot, or at least castrated and kept away from children for the rest of his life. He should be given 12 months community service, nothing more. The rest of his life should not be wasted based on something incredibly stupid he did as a child. Shog9 wrote: It's to be hoped the girl will be able to recover mentally. Tounge in cheek, it was very likely good experience for her future career. :| I've seen girls around of twelve selling their bodies in the less, er, "educated", parts of the town.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"Life, as well as software, has bugs." - Roger Wright
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Shog9 wrote: IMHO, the guy should be shot, or at least castrated and kept away from children for the rest of his life. He should be given 12 months community service, nothing more. The rest of his life should not be wasted based on something incredibly stupid he did as a child. Shog9 wrote: It's to be hoped the girl will be able to recover mentally. Tounge in cheek, it was very likely good experience for her future career. :| I've seen girls around of twelve selling their bodies in the less, er, "educated", parts of the town.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"Life, as well as software, has bugs." - Roger Wright
David Wulff wrote: He should be given 12 months community service, nothing more. The rest of his life should not be wasted based on something incredibly stupid he did as a child. :omg: You are kidding right? You're just going to let him go for this...
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David Wulff wrote: He should be given 12 months community service, nothing more. The rest of his life should not be wasted based on something incredibly stupid he did as a child. :omg: You are kidding right? You're just going to let him go for this...
You will now find yourself in a wonderous, magical place, filled with talking gnomes, mythical squirrels, and, almost as an afterthought, your bookmarks -Shog9 teaching Mel Feik how to bookmark I don't know whether it's just the light but I swear the database server gives me dirty looks everytime I wander past. -Chris Maunder
To quote because i'm lazy... David Stone says: How could you just let him go... Dave Wulff says: Because for the reasons I stated in my reply, I don't think the guy's life should be ruined based on one stupid thing he did as a child David Stone says: He's almost an adult... David Stone says: I don't think there's much difference between a 17 year old and an 18 year old... Dave Wulff says: there isn't - I would say the same then too. This guy has just left school and started life, and already people want to condem him to a life at Her Majesty's Service Dave Wulff says: make him know what he did was very very wrong by giving him 12 months of labour, but give him the opportunity to take his life back. Dave Wulff says: Heck, I made some serious misjudgements when I was his age that could have resulted in being unemployable for the rest of my life, but I was given the choice to sort myself out and took it with both hands. I guess everybody should be offered this chance if they start to stray. Of course I would not be so willing if he raped the girl or killed someone joyriding, but life is too precious and too easy to mess up to make examples out of.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"Life, as well as software, has bugs." - Roger Wright
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To quote because i'm lazy... David Stone says: How could you just let him go... Dave Wulff says: Because for the reasons I stated in my reply, I don't think the guy's life should be ruined based on one stupid thing he did as a child David Stone says: He's almost an adult... David Stone says: I don't think there's much difference between a 17 year old and an 18 year old... Dave Wulff says: there isn't - I would say the same then too. This guy has just left school and started life, and already people want to condem him to a life at Her Majesty's Service Dave Wulff says: make him know what he did was very very wrong by giving him 12 months of labour, but give him the opportunity to take his life back. Dave Wulff says: Heck, I made some serious misjudgements when I was his age that could have resulted in being unemployable for the rest of my life, but I was given the choice to sort myself out and took it with both hands. I guess everybody should be offered this chance if they start to stray. Of course I would not be so willing if he raped the girl or killed someone joyriding, but life is too precious and too easy to mess up to make examples out of.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"Life, as well as software, has bugs." - Roger Wright
David Wulff wrote: Of course I would not be so willing if he raped the girl Ah, my appologies; i've seen nothing about the case apart from the post that began this thread, and i equated sexual assault with rape. I will, however, continue replying, as i'm bored: David Wulff wrote: This guy has just left school and started life, and already people want to condem him to a life at Her Majesty's Service First, life doesn't start upon leaving school - he certainly has the ability to learn what's socially acceptable at this point in his life, but the simple stuff (don't mess with kids) he should have figured out by now. Second - Her Majesty's Service? Is that the army or what? If so, sounds good to me... David Wulff wrote: I don't think the guy's life should be ruined based on one stupid thing he did as a child Don't get me wrong - there's a lot of maturing that can happen between 17 and... um, death... but i wouldn't really call him a child yet either. Shog9 ------
Sitting in muddy water isn't such a bad life, if it ends after the first time... - Yoko Kanno, The Real Folk Blues
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David Wulff wrote: Of course I would not be so willing if he raped the girl Ah, my appologies; i've seen nothing about the case apart from the post that began this thread, and i equated sexual assault with rape. I will, however, continue replying, as i'm bored: David Wulff wrote: This guy has just left school and started life, and already people want to condem him to a life at Her Majesty's Service First, life doesn't start upon leaving school - he certainly has the ability to learn what's socially acceptable at this point in his life, but the simple stuff (don't mess with kids) he should have figured out by now. Second - Her Majesty's Service? Is that the army or what? If so, sounds good to me... David Wulff wrote: I don't think the guy's life should be ruined based on one stupid thing he did as a child Don't get me wrong - there's a lot of maturing that can happen between 17 and... um, death... but i wouldn't really call him a child yet either. Shog9 ------
Sitting in muddy water isn't such a bad life, if it ends after the first time... - Yoko Kanno, The Real Folk Blues
Shog9 wrote: i equated sexual assault with rape Yeah it seems I wasn't clear enough. :-O Sexual assualt is just that - a sexual assualt. Rape on the other hand is rape. Shog9 wrote: First, life doesn't start upon leaving school You're being pedantic there - you know what I meant. Shog9 wrote: Is that the army or what? If so, sounds good to me... Living your life at Her Majesty's pleasure means a life in prison, or continually moving in and out of prisons. Some people if not given the propper chances will re-offend and end up back inside again. Shog9 wrote: i wouldn't really call him a child yet either The technical term is adolescent, but legally he is a child. Maybe if I used the term "youth" instead? That is what I was getting at.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"Life, as well as software, has bugs." - Roger Wright
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Shog9 wrote: i equated sexual assault with rape Yeah it seems I wasn't clear enough. :-O Sexual assualt is just that - a sexual assualt. Rape on the other hand is rape. Shog9 wrote: First, life doesn't start upon leaving school You're being pedantic there - you know what I meant. Shog9 wrote: Is that the army or what? If so, sounds good to me... Living your life at Her Majesty's pleasure means a life in prison, or continually moving in and out of prisons. Some people if not given the propper chances will re-offend and end up back inside again. Shog9 wrote: i wouldn't really call him a child yet either The technical term is adolescent, but legally he is a child. Maybe if I used the term "youth" instead? That is what I was getting at.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"Life, as well as software, has bugs." - Roger Wright
David Wulff wrote: Living your life at Her Majesty's pleasure means a life in prison Huh, that sucks. Imprisonment's such a cop-out; we could be getting a lot of use out of these people, they could be learning valuable life lessons and earning money to pay off their debts; instead, we lock them up. :( David Wulff wrote: You're being pedantic there It happens. David Wulff wrote: you know what I meant. Don't bet on it... ! :-O David Wulff wrote: Maybe if I used the term "youth" instead? Ok. Shog9 ------
Sitting in muddy water isn't such a bad life, if it ends after the first time... - Yoko Kanno, The Real Folk Blues
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Christian Graus wrote: How is 17 different to 19 ? I guess I am clouded by my own judgement here, but at seventeen I just couldn't conceive such things. I mean I could understand an assualt on a seventeen year old girl by a seventeen year old boy (not that I approve, but it is not hard to picture), but a barely six year old girl... I'm sorry, but I just can't picture that at all. Six years old for christ's sake - SIX! *sigh* Happening less than 100 yards from my house while I was inside probably doesn't help with this, nor the fact there is a primary school right opposite where it happened. Hopefully, if it is a sign of things to come, they have found the problem in enough time to prevent it taking hold again. I sure hope so anyway.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"Life, as well as software, has bugs." - Roger Wright
David Wulff wrote: I guess I am clouded by my own judgement here, but at seventeen I just couldn't conceive such things. What I mean is I don't get how it's better or worse than a 19 yo doing the same. David Wulff wrote: Hopefully, if it is a sign of things to come, they have found the problem in enough time to prevent it taking hold again. I sure hope so anyway. I'm not sure how this can be. The problem is the guy is mental and should be shot. The liberals will 'rehabilitate' him and let him go, but in the meantime I'm sure there will be others. I don't advocate killing these people really. I DO advocate chemical castration. If they don't know where it is supposed to go, they should lose the use of it. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Shog9 wrote: IMHO, the guy should be shot, or at least castrated and kept away from children for the rest of his life. He should be given 12 months community service, nothing more. The rest of his life should not be wasted based on something incredibly stupid he did as a child. Shog9 wrote: It's to be hoped the girl will be able to recover mentally. Tounge in cheek, it was very likely good experience for her future career. :| I've seen girls around of twelve selling their bodies in the less, er, "educated", parts of the town.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"Life, as well as software, has bugs." - Roger Wright
David Wulff wrote: The rest of his life should not be wasted based on something incredibly stupid he did as a child. So if he was 19 that would be different ? Why is what he did 'as a child' less important than what he did *to* a child ? IF he stole a car, OK, but not this. David Wulff wrote: I've seen girls around of twelve selling their bodies in the less, er, "educated", parts of the town. Surely that is not legal ? That is so depressing. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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To quote because i'm lazy... David Stone says: How could you just let him go... Dave Wulff says: Because for the reasons I stated in my reply, I don't think the guy's life should be ruined based on one stupid thing he did as a child David Stone says: He's almost an adult... David Stone says: I don't think there's much difference between a 17 year old and an 18 year old... Dave Wulff says: there isn't - I would say the same then too. This guy has just left school and started life, and already people want to condem him to a life at Her Majesty's Service Dave Wulff says: make him know what he did was very very wrong by giving him 12 months of labour, but give him the opportunity to take his life back. Dave Wulff says: Heck, I made some serious misjudgements when I was his age that could have resulted in being unemployable for the rest of my life, but I was given the choice to sort myself out and took it with both hands. I guess everybody should be offered this chance if they start to stray. Of course I would not be so willing if he raped the girl or killed someone joyriding, but life is too precious and too easy to mess up to make examples out of.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"Life, as well as software, has bugs." - Roger Wright
David Wulff wrote: Of course I would not be so willing if he raped the girl or killed someone joyriding So he didn't rape her ? I'm confused... Sexual assualt means he flashed his bits, or stuck his hand in her pants ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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David Wulff wrote: Living your life at Her Majesty's pleasure means a life in prison Huh, that sucks. Imprisonment's such a cop-out; we could be getting a lot of use out of these people, they could be learning valuable life lessons and earning money to pay off their debts; instead, we lock them up. :( David Wulff wrote: You're being pedantic there It happens. David Wulff wrote: you know what I meant. Don't bet on it... ! :-O David Wulff wrote: Maybe if I used the term "youth" instead? Ok. Shog9 ------
Sitting in muddy water isn't such a bad life, if it ends after the first time... - Yoko Kanno, The Real Folk Blues
Shog9 wrote: they could be learning valuable life lessons I don't think that is what is needed. I don't think prison is a perfect system, but at least it gets them out of society. There is no reason they cannot be taught not to mess with kids in prison, hopefully by other prisoners. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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David Wulff wrote: Of course I would not be so willing if he raped the girl or killed someone joyriding So he didn't rape her ? I'm confused... Sexual assualt means he flashed his bits, or stuck his hand in her pants ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Sexualt assualt is not rape. Sexual assualt is as it says - assualting someone sexually. Whilst rape is a sexual assualt, the term is not used in that sense, rape is. Basically the guy felt the little girl up. We don't know the details, but ahnd up the skirt sounds likely to be what happened. Now whilst that is utterly abhorable, regardless the boy should not have his entire life (we are talking about 70 years, not a fortnight) destroyed because of this. People who have no future prospects in life are more likely to re-offend than those given a real chance to reform (and by "real chance" I don't mean what goes on 90% of the time, but that is hopefully under review by the government).
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"Life, as well as software, has bugs." - Roger Wright