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  • D David Wulff

    Both are grossly missinterpreted by the world's non-inclusive press and seem to be doing very little to counter this on a global level. We need an Islamic version of the Simpsons to help sway the scales.


    David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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    That's it, Dave. You go and offend the two groups of people on this earth most likely to own guns.... Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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    • C Chris Austin

      Trollslayer wrote: Try Police Squad 3 - Leslie Neilsen, Priscilla Preseley etc. Now that was an awsome series of movies ...completly un-politicaly correct. The first one had one of my favorite movie quotes ever. L.Neilsen: Nice Beaver. P.Preseley: Thanks, I just had it stuffed last week. Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.

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      Yes, but the joke is lost unless you explain the situation.... ( she's on a ladder, he's looking up and as he says it and she replies, she passes down a stuffed beaver ). Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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        That's it, Dave. You go and offend the two groups of people on this earth most likely to own guns.... Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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        Oh my, I hadn't thought of it like that! :eek: ** David packs his bags and gets on the first flight to Belguim (no one knows it really exists, so he'll be safe there) **


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          Yes, but the joke is lost unless you explain the situation.... ( she's on a ladder, he's looking up and as he says it and she replies, she passes down a stuffed beaver ). Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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          Christian Graus wrote: Yes, but the joke is lost unless you explain the situation.... :) You got me there. Still it is fun to use your imagination. Chris Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.

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          • D David Wulff

            Oh my, I hadn't thought of it like that! :eek: ** David packs his bags and gets on the first flight to Belguim (no one knows it really exists, so he'll be safe there) **


            David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

            David Wulff Born and Bred.

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            David Wulff wrote: Belguim (no one knows it really exists Glad to see I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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              David Wulff wrote: Belguim (no one knows it really exists Glad to see I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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              Christian Graus wrote: Glad to see I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Not at all - in fact, you have stumbled onto the horrifying Truth: http://zapatopi.net/belgium.html[^] Shog9 ------

              Sitting in muddy water isn't such a bad life, if it ends after the first time... - Yoko Kanno, The Real Folk Blues

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                David Wulff wrote: Belguim (no one knows it really exists Glad to see I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                Belgians are a lot like Hobbits, quietly and happily getting on with their daily routines with not a care in the world. One day though evil men from the west (the French) will invade them for their fine chocolate, and rape and pillage all they see, imposing their self-interest on the poor natives and abusing their spirits. Poor Brussels will be raised to the ground. :(( And then one day a group of stout Belgian companions will return from the wars in the Middle East and expel the invaders, liberating their forgotten country once again. Then they will eat, drink and be merry, before dismounting from their high horses and moving back into their muddy holes.


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                  Look at what the west has done to the arab countries to further their own ends :suss: Its about glass houses. Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?

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                  Trollslayer wrote: Look at what the west has done to the arab countries to further their own ends Ummmm.... what? Making billionaire Saudis and Kuwaitis was a bad thing?? Mike Mullikin :beer:

                  Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap

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                    Christian Graus wrote: Glad to see I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Not at all - in fact, you have stumbled onto the horrifying Truth: http://zapatopi.net/belgium.html[^] Shog9 ------

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                    Are you somewhat enigmatically suggesting that because the URL does not exist, neither does Belgium ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                      Are you somewhat enigmatically suggesting that because the URL does not exist, neither does Belgium ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                      Christian Graus wrote: Are you somewhat enigmatically suggesting that because the URL does not exist, neither does Belgium ? What are you talking about? :confused: Shog9 ------

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                        Christian Graus wrote: Are you somewhat enigmatically suggesting that because the URL does not exist, neither does Belgium ? What are you talking about? :confused: Shog9 ------

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                        I thought maybe the reason the URL does not work is the the page, like Belgium, does not exist. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                          I thought maybe the reason the URL does not work is the the page, like Belgium, does not exist. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                          What, you mean this url? It works for me... Perhaps the Vast Liberal Conspiracy has found out about your enlightenment, and is blocking the page in Australia as a result... :suss: Try the Google Cache. Shog9 ------

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                          • D David Wulff

                            Oh my, I hadn't thought of it like that! :eek: ** David packs his bags and gets on the first flight to Belguim (no one knows it really exists, so he'll be safe there) **


                            David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

                            David Wulff Born and Bred.

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                            Well, a friend of mine once biked 'cross entire germany, to and across Belgium to meet a girl he hadn't much luck with. At least that's the story he tells... :cool:


                            skulls don't kiss  for an explanation - wait for the vacation photos!   [sighist]

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                              Look at what the west has done to the arab countries to further their own ends :suss: Its about glass houses. Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?

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                              Trollslayer wrote: Look at what the west has done to the arab countries to further their own ends Its about glass houses. Look we can all drop subtle hints and tap dance around the subject looking like clever dicks. What I would appreciate is "The west did this, the Arabs did this, we are now here." Simple.

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                              • D David Wulff

                                Belgians are a lot like Hobbits, quietly and happily getting on with their daily routines with not a care in the world. One day though evil men from the west (the French) will invade them for their fine chocolate, and rape and pillage all they see, imposing their self-interest on the poor natives and abusing their spirits. Poor Brussels will be raised to the ground. :(( And then one day a group of stout Belgian companions will return from the wars in the Middle East and expel the invaders, liberating their forgotten country once again. Then they will eat, drink and be merry, before dismounting from their high horses and moving back into their muddy holes.


                                David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

                                David Wulff Born and Bred.

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                                David Wulff wrote: One day though evil men from the west (the French) will invade them More likely will one day the french-speaking half of the Belgium ask for the fusion with the Republic ;P After all, Belgium is an artificial creation made by UK, isn't it ?


                                A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)

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                                • R Rohit Sinha

                                  Indian with no religious affiliations at all. :) Basically, the Americans have Hollywood, and so the "smart" chaps in Bombay (now called Mumbai), where most Indian movies are made, started calling their place "Bollywood". Bollywood is more the name of the Indian movie industry than the name of a place, as I suppose Hollywood is (the name of a place I mean). Not to be left behind, the Bengali movie industry (West Bengal is a state in India and Bengali is the language spoken in that state) calls itself "Tollywood", since most of the Bengali movie studios are situated in Tollygunj, a place in Kolkata, the capital of West Bengal. The Tamil movie industry (Tamil is the language spoken in Tamilnadu, another state in India) also calls itself Tollywood. Since most of the movies made in Bollywood are Hindi (the national language of India, has nothing to do with Hinduism, the religion), they could have called it Hollywood, if the name had not already been taken. :rolleyes: We love America, long live America. :) ;P
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                                  Rohit Sinha

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                                  Rohit Sinha wrote: Bollywood All I want to know is: When the star is walking down a street and breaks into song, how do all the peasents automatically know all the right words and dance moves? ;)

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                                    I don't watch a lot of movies, but I can think of only one that portrayed Arabs as terrorists. That was "True Lies" with Arnold S. How many can you name? Most seem to have German, Eastern European or Chinese wackos causing the trouble. And the good guys are often as likely to be British (James Bond) as American. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                                    Stan Shannon wrote: but I can think of only one that portrayed Arabs as terrorists. That was "True Lies" with Arnold S. How many can you name? Sorry what I meant was when a movie does include Americans and Arabs (who tend to be grouped as Islamic) then invariably the American is the hero and the Islamic the terrorist. I have never seen a movie with good Arabs in it... except for Lawrence of Arabia and well there were good and bad Arabs there. I totally agree that many other groups have been picked as the bad guy more often. Nazis, Russians, Eastern Europeans, South Africans (ok, ok, so we are only ever the hench-man, but still.) However once this period in our history has passed, and we all still exist, you can bet your bottom dollar that Islamic Terrorists will be the numero uno bad guys. It is only a matter of time before someone makes The Day The Towers Fell, or What Floor Were You On? Stan Shannon wrote: And the good guys are often as likely to be British (James Bond) as American. LOL sorry man but that is funny. 90% of movies are American, at least here, and invariably involve the Righteous Wonderful Americans vs. The Evil Heathen Non-American Bad Guy. Brit heros get in about 1% of the time and that is almost always Bond. Even when a movie made by America is supposedly about some British story the hero is, through whatever means, an American. I don't actually mind. I don't need to feel special through having my countrymen portrayed as heros. I like American movies, got a lot of feel-good to them :)

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                                      Hollywood had to replace the Soviets. :)


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                                      KaЯl wrote: Hollywood had to replace the Soviets. Pity, I liked Russian bad guys. Had cool accents and those fur hats rocked! Russian bad guys had balls. These new age bad guys are all flash and no voooma. The only "new" bad guys I really like though are Eastern Europeans. They are damned good too. But then they are thin, bald Russians who do raves really, so no wonder :-D

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                                        David Wulff wrote: Both are grossly missinterpreted by the world's non-inclusive press and seem to be doing very little to counter this on a global level. We need an Islamic version of the Simpsons to help sway the scales. The only difference being that in the movies the Americans are always the good guys and the Islams are always raving lunatics hell bent on global destruction. Nice.

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                                        Paul Watson wrote: The only difference being that in the movies the Americans are always the good guys and the Islams are always raving lunatics hell bent on global destruction. Nice. It's not always Islam who are portrayed as bad guys. Braveheart casts the English as the bad guys. In Star Wars, all the good guys are played by Americans whilst the bad guys are all English. Die Hard casts Europeans as the bad guys. (Played by English actors though) Perhaps like Star Trek in the 60s with its token Russian we need to stick an Arab onto the bridge of the Enterprise as a heroic navigator. I wonder what their equivalent of "Keptin, there is a wessel on ze Starboard Bow" is? :-D Michael Life’s not a song. Life isn’t bliss. Life is just this. It’s living. -- Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Once more, with feeling

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                                          Stan Shannon wrote: but I can think of only one that portrayed Arabs as terrorists. That was "True Lies" with Arnold S. How many can you name? Sorry what I meant was when a movie does include Americans and Arabs (who tend to be grouped as Islamic) then invariably the American is the hero and the Islamic the terrorist. I have never seen a movie with good Arabs in it... except for Lawrence of Arabia and well there were good and bad Arabs there. I totally agree that many other groups have been picked as the bad guy more often. Nazis, Russians, Eastern Europeans, South Africans (ok, ok, so we are only ever the hench-man, but still.) However once this period in our history has passed, and we all still exist, you can bet your bottom dollar that Islamic Terrorists will be the numero uno bad guys. It is only a matter of time before someone makes The Day The Towers Fell, or What Floor Were You On? Stan Shannon wrote: And the good guys are often as likely to be British (James Bond) as American. LOL sorry man but that is funny. 90% of movies are American, at least here, and invariably involve the Righteous Wonderful Americans vs. The Evil Heathen Non-American Bad Guy. Brit heros get in about 1% of the time and that is almost always Bond. Even when a movie made by America is supposedly about some British story the hero is, through whatever means, an American. I don't actually mind. I don't need to feel special through having my countrymen portrayed as heros. I like American movies, got a lot of feel-good to them :)

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                                          Paul Watson wrote: I like American movies, got a lot of feel-good to them The funny thing is that most American's have a very negative view of Hollywood. To me, Hollywood panders to a more Euro-centric world view than it does a more traditional American world view. That's why every time a Republican wins the Whitehouse, half the celebs in Hollywood move to Europe. I can assure you that the Hollywood elite have a very low opinion of their fellow American's. I usually leave the theater a little miffed at how some aspect of American life was portrayed. Maybe that explains why I seldom go. I guess the last "American Hero" style movie I saw was "Patriot" with Mel Gibson. Most movies out lately have been the Star Wars, Harry Potter and similar genre which certainly do not have "American" themes. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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