New bludgeon for humanity, Now GW is untrendy, its BIODIVERSITY!
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personally I doubt we have created many species just till this day we are discovering new breeds as well as killing breeds of animals and plants off.
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
Simon_Whale wrote:
as well as killing breeds of animals and plants off.
Thats why I stated directly. Various kinds of moose/deer, wolves, bears, marsupials and birds have been intentionally eradicated by man. I cant think of one plant man has intentionally wiped out. Compare that to the number of species of plants and animals man has created through agriculture over 10000 years. Dogs, cats, for example. All created by man. Yes we have manipulated the world for our benefit, but we havent decreased biodiversity intentionally. Yes we kiled off some animals by introducing others that competed with them, but that was by mistake, and I can only think of a few.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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We all knew that Ocean Acidificaiton was a backup plan in case GW/CC/GCD failed to impress us sufficiently to act, which is the case, but clearly OA (lets invent a TLA eh?) wasnt quite beefy enough. So, getting together they cranked up some computer models that promised us species disapearing at 10,000 times the normal rate while the UN quietly set in motion the new cause: BIODIVERSITY! Delegates from nearly 200 countries are being asked to agree to new 2020 targets after governments largely failed to meet a 2010 target of achieving a significant reduction in biological diversity losses, a goal set at the last biodiversity conference in 2002.[^] So, not only do we not get tha chance to take the fraudsters behind GW/CC/GCD to task, but they create new schemes to shaft us! Holy crap. When are we going to put an end to this lunacy?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Holy crap. When are we going to put an end to this lunacy?
When pigs fly and you stop posting this crap here.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Simon_Whale wrote:
as well as killing breeds of animals and plants off.
Thats why I stated directly. Various kinds of moose/deer, wolves, bears, marsupials and birds have been intentionally eradicated by man. I cant think of one plant man has intentionally wiped out. Compare that to the number of species of plants and animals man has created through agriculture over 10000 years. Dogs, cats, for example. All created by man. Yes we have manipulated the world for our benefit, but we havent decreased biodiversity intentionally. Yes we kiled off some animals by introducing others that competed with them, but that was by mistake, and I can only think of a few.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Yes we kiled off some animals by introducing others that competed with them, but that was by mistake
Well, it must be ok then, since it was just an accident. Tony Hayward, is that you? :laugh:
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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fat_boy wrote:
Yes we kiled off some animals by introducing others that competed with them, but that was by mistake
Well, it must be ok then, since it was just an accident. Tony Hayward, is that you? :laugh:
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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How many species of plant and animal has man created through selective breeding in the last 10000 years?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Selective breeding of anaimals for agriculture is essentially husbandry and doesn't fall into the category of species creation. A Species can be defined as groups of actually or potentially interbreeding organisms that are reproductively isolated from other such groups. In other words, organisms are considered to belong to the same species if they can potentially reproduce with each other and have offspring that are healthy and fertile. Otherwise, they are considered to belong to different species. Hence breeds of domestic animals such as dogs, cats and cattle are one species within their own groups.... In general I've kept out of this argument as its almost religious in its fervour, however over the last 15 years as a diver I have see a marked alteration of what we can expect to see in and around the UK. We now see Sun Fish and Grey Triggers which can be classed as more tropical than not, Basking Sharks have moved further north. In more tropical climes I've seen a marked drop in both coral and reef fish in the Red Sea, and this is a region I visit anually. Now I'm not about to say what is causing this as there are several contributary factors, but we are loosing Biodiversity at quite a rapid rate.
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Is it just you or is it all Americans who debate like 12 year old?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Obviously you're not a South Park fan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coon_2:_Hindsight[^]
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Obviously you're not a South Park fan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coon_2:_Hindsight[^]
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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We all knew that Ocean Acidificaiton was a backup plan in case GW/CC/GCD failed to impress us sufficiently to act, which is the case, but clearly OA (lets invent a TLA eh?) wasnt quite beefy enough. So, getting together they cranked up some computer models that promised us species disapearing at 10,000 times the normal rate while the UN quietly set in motion the new cause: BIODIVERSITY! Delegates from nearly 200 countries are being asked to agree to new 2020 targets after governments largely failed to meet a 2010 target of achieving a significant reduction in biological diversity losses, a goal set at the last biodiversity conference in 2002.[^] So, not only do we not get tha chance to take the fraudsters behind GW/CC/GCD to task, but they create new schemes to shaft us! Holy crap. When are we going to put an end to this lunacy?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Save me, Fat_Boy, Save me! Only you have the power to save us all. Thanks all the gods you've decided to spend your time here educating all us poor, poor deluded souls. Only you have the power and the knowledge. SAVE ME, FB!!!! SAVE ME!!!!
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Is it just you or is it all Americans who debate like 12 year old?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Oh, jesus, I can't pass that one up.... Hey, shithead!! Let's take a poll and find out who enjoys greater respect here, you or Ian. For intellect, for spelling, anything at all. I'll vote for Ian. How many do you think you'll get? Besides your own, that is. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: (Had to touch up the grammar - I was laughing too hard to get it right the first time.)
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Oh, jesus, I can't pass that one up.... Hey, shithead!! Let's take a poll and find out who enjoys greater respect here, you or Ian. For intellect, for spelling, anything at all. I'll vote for Ian. How many do you think you'll get? Besides your own, that is. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: (Had to touch up the grammar - I was laughing too hard to get it right the first time.)
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I see the last of the three has raised his head.
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fat_boy wrote:
Holy crap. When are we going to put an end to this lunacy?
When pigs fly and you stop posting this crap here.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Did you know mankind has created more species than he has directly wiped out?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Joining the calls for evidence on this one, as I'd find it fascinating. Have we actually gone so far as to have created a new species? If so, do we have records of the speciation process? This is the kind of thing that evolutionary biologists would kill for last I knew. I thought we'd done it with fruit flies and a few thousand isolated generations, a few types of bacteria, but nothing higher than that. And for the remainder of it, just how many have we directly wiped out? I'm assuming this doesn't count things such as introducing invasive species, so the more well known cases like the Dodo wouldn't count. That'd be a fairly significant difference, despite humanity's involvement. Though I am aware we have domesticated many breeds, we haven't done much for nature in doing so, hell most of the critters we've domesticated will die off without us fairly quickly.
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Selective breeding of anaimals for agriculture is essentially husbandry and doesn't fall into the category of species creation. A Species can be defined as groups of actually or potentially interbreeding organisms that are reproductively isolated from other such groups. In other words, organisms are considered to belong to the same species if they can potentially reproduce with each other and have offspring that are healthy and fertile. Otherwise, they are considered to belong to different species. Hence breeds of domestic animals such as dogs, cats and cattle are one species within their own groups.... In general I've kept out of this argument as its almost religious in its fervour, however over the last 15 years as a diver I have see a marked alteration of what we can expect to see in and around the UK. We now see Sun Fish and Grey Triggers which can be classed as more tropical than not, Basking Sharks have moved further north. In more tropical climes I've seen a marked drop in both coral and reef fish in the Red Sea, and this is a region I visit anually. Now I'm not about to say what is causing this as there are several contributary factors, but we are loosing Biodiversity at quite a rapid rate.
Where did you dive in the UK? I used to live in Devon and there is some good diving there, on the incoming high tide at least. Used to see pipe fish, wrasse, the usual crab and lobsters. (Talking ten years back) Any way, if as you say sun fish amd grey tigers have come into our waters, isnt that an increase in biodivsity? ;) Look, I dont have a problem countering mans impact on the environment, but clearly from what I linked to you can see the kind of ramp up that is goung to make this the next brick bat. Yes, man has impacted other species, but holy crap, dont we know that? DOnt we actively try to maintain species that are close to extinciton? If we take THIS in to the same arena in kind) as GW then we will do more dmage than good to the remaining endangered species. We dont need this kind of BS. We dont need the hype, the alarmism, the conputer models. The second they greeny brigade start treating this subject the way they have CO2 then the sooner the world will switch off.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Joining the calls for evidence on this one, as I'd find it fascinating. Have we actually gone so far as to have created a new species? If so, do we have records of the speciation process? This is the kind of thing that evolutionary biologists would kill for last I knew. I thought we'd done it with fruit flies and a few thousand isolated generations, a few types of bacteria, but nothing higher than that. And for the remainder of it, just how many have we directly wiped out? I'm assuming this doesn't count things such as introducing invasive species, so the more well known cases like the Dodo wouldn't count. That'd be a fairly significant difference, despite humanity's involvement. Though I am aware we have domesticated many breeds, we haven't done much for nature in doing so, hell most of the critters we've domesticated will die off without us fairly quickly.
As you recognize, and you are in aminority, the use of the word 'intentional' is important. What I am getting at is that man has unintentionally killed many species. He has intentionally created many other, call them species or breeds or whatever you like, but, and here is the important thing: Man is today actively trying to maintain endangered species. With immense effort. THis is good, BUT if the greenies and the press start cludgoning us over the heads with it we will loose interest, the same way we did with GW. If they really cared about maintaining biodiversity they would NOT abuse it.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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fat_boy wrote:
Holy crap. When are we going to put an end to this lunacy?
When pigs fly and you stop posting this crap here.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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I think the shithead needs his own forum, like CSS's 'Truthbox' (or whatever it's called). He'd get the respect he doubltess deserves there. :rolleyes:
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Save me, Fat_Boy, Save me! Only you have the power to save us all. Thanks all the gods you've decided to spend your time here educating all us poor, poor deluded souls. Only you have the power and the knowledge. SAVE ME, FB!!!! SAVE ME!!!!
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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I thought raising heads was your hobby. Somehow related to your inability to see humor in farts, I believe; Josh seems to have nailed the source of your ... discomfort? with that subject.
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Oh, jesus, I can't pass that one up.... Hey, shithead!! Let's take a poll and find out who enjoys greater respect here, you or Ian. For intellect, for spelling, anything at all. I'll vote for Ian. How many do you think you'll get? Besides your own, that is. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: (Had to touch up the grammar - I was laughing too hard to get it right the first time.)
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modified on Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:08 AM