waterboarding by nongov guy illegal
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/man-busted-waterboarding-girlfriend[^] Are legal system is very selective in prosecution.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/man-busted-waterboarding-girlfriend[^] Are legal system is very selective in prosecution.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
I'd figure there are plenty of things here prosecution worthy, beyond just the waterboarding part. From what I remember the waterboarding bit by law/military was being covered under the whole "killing people during war totally isn't murder" logic, rather than it somehow magically not being a bad thing. I hate to stick up for the fuckers, but we aren't prosecuting every soldier with a confirmed kill for murder are we?
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I'd figure there are plenty of things here prosecution worthy, beyond just the waterboarding part. From what I remember the waterboarding bit by law/military was being covered under the whole "killing people during war totally isn't murder" logic, rather than it somehow magically not being a bad thing. I hate to stick up for the fuckers, but we aren't prosecuting every soldier with a confirmed kill for murder are we?
Distind wrote:
I hate to stick up for the f***ers, but we aren't prosecuting every soldier with a confirmed kill for murder are we?
Killing on the battle field is legal. I was just pointing out that conveniently he's getting prosecuted for something that is illegal for everyone in all circumstances. The Geneva conventions prohibit it not to mention that it doesn't work. There has been an interrogator whose had to come in after the CIA batched it up to actually get useful intel. See http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1893679,00.html[^] The Jack Bower approach to detainee abuse doesn't seem to get any traction for getting prosecuted in the looking forward only Obama administration. There are many excuses ranging from money to sovereign immunity for not holding any hearings. Mostly people don't care because they're not people they care about. Some kid being picked up in Iraq is inconsequential to the people of America.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Distind wrote:
I hate to stick up for the f***ers, but we aren't prosecuting every soldier with a confirmed kill for murder are we?
Killing on the battle field is legal. I was just pointing out that conveniently he's getting prosecuted for something that is illegal for everyone in all circumstances. The Geneva conventions prohibit it not to mention that it doesn't work. There has been an interrogator whose had to come in after the CIA batched it up to actually get useful intel. See http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1893679,00.html[^] The Jack Bower approach to detainee abuse doesn't seem to get any traction for getting prosecuted in the looking forward only Obama administration. There are many excuses ranging from money to sovereign immunity for not holding any hearings. Mostly people don't care because they're not people they care about. Some kid being picked up in Iraq is inconsequential to the people of America.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Distind wrote:
I hate to stick up for the f***ers, but we aren't prosecuting every soldier with a confirmed kill for murder are we?
Killing on the battle field is legal. I was just pointing out that conveniently he's getting prosecuted for something that is illegal for everyone in all circumstances. The Geneva conventions prohibit it not to mention that it doesn't work. There has been an interrogator whose had to come in after the CIA batched it up to actually get useful intel. See http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1893679,00.html[^] The Jack Bower approach to detainee abuse doesn't seem to get any traction for getting prosecuted in the looking forward only Obama administration. There are many excuses ranging from money to sovereign immunity for not holding any hearings. Mostly people don't care because they're not people they care about. Some kid being picked up in Iraq is inconsequential to the people of America.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
wolfbinary wrote:
Killing on the battle field is legal.
And they're extending the same logic you use to say that to claim what they're doing is legal. A) Do the conventions actually apply to the person being water boarded? B) Does water boarding specifically fall under the laws which apply? And what exactly is prosecution by the Obama administration going to fix? More interesting, who are you going to prosecute? I'm not saying it works, I'm saying it's not conclusively illegal, and it's far from conclusive which of the fuckers involved should be held responsible. And from the fact I call them fuckers you can probably guess how much I agree with what they did. The private individual is at least responsible for forcible restraint, assault and probably a few more items I can't come up with off the top of my head. Yet you're not trying to convict them for that, and that's the logic hole they found to escape out of.