The Yanks have done it again
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For some I think it started when Obama was either elected or seemed to be inevitably elected.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
People didn't expect the change to be an more aggressive Bush presidency.
So they didn't expect chanage when they went from the right wing bible-thumping ex-alcholic strategically shaved chimp that was Bush to Obama, who wants people to not die of cureable diseases (which most first-world countries achieve BTW). Explain to me how that works again?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
People want the government to f*** off and stop f***ing everything up
It would be funny if the government did f*** off, the corporations (or worse, organised crime) would take over and you'd all be peons to industry/the mafia. Thats the best case scenario. Do people really want that?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
All the problems in this country are created by government.
Lets take the current biggest example: The banks shafted the economy because they were essentially unregulated and started a huge property bubble, much like the stock market bubble in the '20s. How is this the government's fault?
Keith Barrow wrote:
Lets take the current biggest example: The banks shafted the economy because they were essentially unregulated and started a huge property bubble, much like the stock market bubble in the '20s. How is this the government's fault?
I've been reading a book called 13 Bankers and it's about the financial mess we're in and it gives a lot of background of how we got here. It's much worse than just the '20s. It's been repeated more times than just then, before and after that as well. It also talks about the ideological generation that has brought this out. Politics for many is like a religion. They worship the institutions and the people in them as gods and priests. The followers of Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, etc are proof of that. The way they excuse every flaw of these people is a demonstration of their devotion. We like to repeat things many times before trying to fix them, then future generations like to screw the pouch, repeal what worked and start repeating history over again. It's insane. A lot like CSS's arguments. Our country doesn't run on a common set of facts. When 25%(my made up number) is crazy like CSS you end up with fairy tales for policy thought. Mostly beliefs like that are caused by a disbelief in basic science. The odd thing is I find that best demonstrated by the lack of understanding in evolution and the thought that it isn't true. The stink about the CERN reactor is another example. Made up superstitions nonsense about black holes and the end of the world. Even if it did happen, where's God to stop us or it from ending everything? I'd once heard my wife's boss say that doctor's only know what they know because God let them. With thinking like that how can we go wrong?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Keith Barrow wrote:
Lets take the current biggest example: The banks shafted the economy because they were essentially unregulated and started a huge property bubble, much like the stock market bubble in the '20s. How is this the government's fault?
I've been reading a book called 13 Bankers and it's about the financial mess we're in and it gives a lot of background of how we got here. It's much worse than just the '20s. It's been repeated more times than just then, before and after that as well. It also talks about the ideological generation that has brought this out. Politics for many is like a religion. They worship the institutions and the people in them as gods and priests. The followers of Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, etc are proof of that. The way they excuse every flaw of these people is a demonstration of their devotion. We like to repeat things many times before trying to fix them, then future generations like to screw the pouch, repeal what worked and start repeating history over again. It's insane. A lot like CSS's arguments. Our country doesn't run on a common set of facts. When 25%(my made up number) is crazy like CSS you end up with fairy tales for policy thought. Mostly beliefs like that are caused by a disbelief in basic science. The odd thing is I find that best demonstrated by the lack of understanding in evolution and the thought that it isn't true. The stink about the CERN reactor is another example. Made up superstitions nonsense about black holes and the end of the world. Even if it did happen, where's God to stop us or it from ending everything? I'd once heard my wife's boss say that doctor's only know what they know because God let them. With thinking like that how can we go wrong?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
wolfbinary wrote:
Our country doesn't run on a common set of facts. When 25%(my made up number) is crazy like CSS you end up with fairy tales for policy thought. Mostly beliefs like that are caused by a disbelief in basic science. The odd thing is I find that best demonstrated by the lack of understanding in evolution and the thought that it isn't true. The stink about the CERN reactor is another example. Made up superstitions nonsense about black holes and the end of the world. Even if it did happen, where's God to stop us or it from ending everything? I'd once heard my wife's boss say that doctor's only know what they know because God let them. With thinking like that how can we go wrong?
I think John Lennon said it best... Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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wolfbinary wrote:
Our country doesn't run on a common set of facts. When 25%(my made up number) is crazy like CSS you end up with fairy tales for policy thought. Mostly beliefs like that are caused by a disbelief in basic science. The odd thing is I find that best demonstrated by the lack of understanding in evolution and the thought that it isn't true. The stink about the CERN reactor is another example. Made up superstitions nonsense about black holes and the end of the world. Even if it did happen, where's God to stop us or it from ending everything? I'd once heard my wife's boss say that doctor's only know what they know because God let them. With thinking like that how can we go wrong?
I think John Lennon said it best... Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Now I'll be humming that all day.... :)
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
People didn't expect the change to be an more aggressive Bush presidency.
So they didn't expect chanage when they went from the right wing bible-thumping ex-alcholic strategically shaved chimp that was Bush to Obama, who wants people to not die of cureable diseases (which most first-world countries achieve BTW). Explain to me how that works again?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
People want the government to f*** off and stop f***ing everything up
It would be funny if the government did f*** off, the corporations (or worse, organised crime) would take over and you'd all be peons to industry/the mafia. Thats the best case scenario. Do people really want that?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
All the problems in this country are created by government.
Lets take the current biggest example: The banks shafted the economy because they were essentially unregulated and started a huge property bubble, much like the stock market bubble in the '20s. How is this the government's fault?
Keith Barrow wrote:
Obama, who wants people to not die of cureable diseases (which most first-world countries achieve BTW).
Is that what you call a mandate to buy insurance from the big insurance companies that have been ripping you off for the past decade and just so happen to be raising their rates despite what Obama promised the public.
Keith Barrow wrote:
It would be funny if the government did f*** off, the corporations (or worse, organised crime) would take over and you'd all be peons to industry/the mafia. Thats the best case scenario. Do people really want that?
The government and corporations work together to fuck you over. Its called public-private partnership.
Keith Barrow wrote:
The banks shafted the economy because they were essentially unregulated and started a huge property bubble, much like the stock market bubble in the '20s. How is this the government's fault?
The Federal Reserve is an unregulated bank. Oh but you think its part of the government so it must be all knowing and God-like, it must be worshiped.
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Tell me about it... The general public is too easily led... They listen to campaign slogans and fancy speeches, but ignore the actual issues. Fortunately, this'll be good for the economy. The markets like it when nothing gets done, because then everything is nice and predictable. With the house red and the senate blue, the next two years will be nothing but a lot of hot air, so the market will be able to relax. EDIT: Oh, and one more thing... I don't think there's a chance in hell of this happening... But if Sarah Palin takes the White House in 2012, I'm getting the #(%*& out of here... Either Toronto or London... Haven't decided which.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Don't you understand that this is precisely why we need to end the federal reserve system? If you understand this basic point of relaxation from political pressure and confusion, you should understand that this is only one big reason as to abolishing it. The good thing is, Ron and Rand will be introducing legislation to end/audit the fed next session in both houses.
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Keith Barrow wrote:
Obama, who wants people to not die of cureable diseases (which most first-world countries achieve BTW).
Is that what you call a mandate to buy insurance from the big insurance companies that have been ripping you off for the past decade and just so happen to be raising their rates despite what Obama promised the public.
Keith Barrow wrote:
It would be funny if the government did f*** off, the corporations (or worse, organised crime) would take over and you'd all be peons to industry/the mafia. Thats the best case scenario. Do people really want that?
The government and corporations work together to fuck you over. Its called public-private partnership.
Keith Barrow wrote:
The banks shafted the economy because they were essentially unregulated and started a huge property bubble, much like the stock market bubble in the '20s. How is this the government's fault?
The Federal Reserve is an unregulated bank. Oh but you think its part of the government so it must be all knowing and God-like, it must be worshiped.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Is that what you call a mandate to buy insurance from the big insurance companies that have been ripping you off for the past decade and just so happen to be raising their rates despite what Obama promised the public.
The big insurance companies haven't been ripping me off, we have the NHS. The NHS has saved my life twice, for which I pay a nominal fee each month. Pretty good value I'd say. If I'd died, a fairly productive member of society would have been lost.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The Federal Reserve is an unregulated bank
Yep, and that's the problem, if you don't regulate banks they cause a bubble, and the better ones pull out before the piper has to be paid, leaving the people to foot the bill. Regulation would have stopped this, so are you pro government regulation, or would you prefer to be ripped off by the banks?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Oh but you think its part of the government so it must be all knowing and God-like, it must be worshiped.
I don't know whether the federal reserve is part of the US government or not, it's a matter of supreme indifference to me, it being a foreign institution. So where do you get off putting words into my mouth, I certainly never said that. Or do you believe that I actually said that?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Is that what you call a mandate to buy insurance from the big insurance companies that have been ripping you off for the past decade and just so happen to be raising their rates despite what Obama promised the public.
The big insurance companies haven't been ripping me off, we have the NHS. The NHS has saved my life twice, for which I pay a nominal fee each month. Pretty good value I'd say. If I'd died, a fairly productive member of society would have been lost.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The Federal Reserve is an unregulated bank
Yep, and that's the problem, if you don't regulate banks they cause a bubble, and the better ones pull out before the piper has to be paid, leaving the people to foot the bill. Regulation would have stopped this, so are you pro government regulation, or would you prefer to be ripped off by the banks?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Oh but you think its part of the government so it must be all knowing and God-like, it must be worshiped.
I don't know whether the federal reserve is part of the US government or not, it's a matter of supreme indifference to me, it being a foreign institution. So where do you get off putting words into my mouth, I certainly never said that. Or do you believe that I actually said that?
Keith Barrow wrote:
where do you get off putting words into my mouth
I'll put my steel toes boot in your mouth if I very well please.
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Keith Barrow wrote:
where do you get off putting words into my mouth
I'll put my steel toes boot in your mouth if I very well please.
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You'd have to do two things first: 1) Grow a pair 2) Get hairs on them