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EDL founder charged with Muslim poppy protest assault[^] An utterly lopsided headline seemingly set to divert attention from the Muslims Against Crusades extremists burning armistice day poppies which I find completely unnaceptable. Note that I do not condone the EDL point of view either but the headline implies that they attacked without cause. I think even I would have been tempted to make my feelings known and I am astonished at the craven police allowing them to burn them in the first place. We have allowed the lunatics to run the asylum.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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I find it sadly ironic that these Muslims use the freedom that British soldiers fought and died for to insult British soldiers.
Precisely: if they were to do this in wherever they come from they'd be lucky to be alive.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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EDL founder charged with Muslim poppy protest assault[^] An utterly lopsided headline seemingly set to divert attention from the Muslims Against Crusades extremists burning armistice day poppies which I find completely unnaceptable. Note that I do not condone the EDL point of view either but the headline implies that they attacked without cause. I think even I would have been tempted to make my feelings known and I am astonished at the craven police allowing them to burn them in the first place. We have allowed the lunatics to run the asylum.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
So you should be allowed to assault police officers if someone nearby is upsetting you? Both groups are as bad as each other, and need each other to survive. Those muppets calling themselves muslims decide to do these things (or someone else does and then sends them out or not depending how much media coverage he gets), phone the media to tell them, phone the EDL so they can be there to fan the flames of newsworthyness. The EDL were not there because they just happened to be passing and saw something they thought was wrong, they had gone there to get involved in a scrap. The muslim group, which is a tiny group, needs to be ignored, then they will go away. They get far, far more coverage than they deserve. There have even been bigger poppy based protests this year, most notably amongst Celtic fans, but with very little coverage because the muslim angle makes it so much easier to stir up hatred. There will be revenge attacks for this and things will spiral for a short while. It had nothing to do with Muslim, or Asian, or Britain or any other race, religion, or nationality. It was two very small groups of shouty arseholes desperate for some attention.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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EDL founder charged with Muslim poppy protest assault[^] An utterly lopsided headline seemingly set to divert attention from the Muslims Against Crusades extremists burning armistice day poppies which I find completely unnaceptable. Note that I do not condone the EDL point of view either but the headline implies that they attacked without cause. I think even I would have been tempted to make my feelings known and I am astonished at the craven police allowing them to burn them in the first place. We have allowed the lunatics to run the asylum.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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So you should be allowed to assault police officers if someone nearby is upsetting you? Both groups are as bad as each other, and need each other to survive. Those muppets calling themselves muslims decide to do these things (or someone else does and then sends them out or not depending how much media coverage he gets), phone the media to tell them, phone the EDL so they can be there to fan the flames of newsworthyness. The EDL were not there because they just happened to be passing and saw something they thought was wrong, they had gone there to get involved in a scrap. The muslim group, which is a tiny group, needs to be ignored, then they will go away. They get far, far more coverage than they deserve. There have even been bigger poppy based protests this year, most notably amongst Celtic fans, but with very little coverage because the muslim angle makes it so much easier to stir up hatred. There will be revenge attacks for this and things will spiral for a short while. It had nothing to do with Muslim, or Asian, or Britain or any other race, religion, or nationality. It was two very small groups of shouty arseholes desperate for some attention.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
ChrisElston wrote:
So you should be allowed to assault police officers if someone nearby is upsetting you?
Pretty sure that's not what I said at all.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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I find it sadly ironic that these Muslims use the freedom that British soldiers fought and died for to insult British soldiers.
Chris C-B wrote:
the freedom that British soldiers fought and died for
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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ChrisElston wrote:
So you should be allowed to assault police officers if someone nearby is upsetting you?
Pretty sure that's not what I said at all.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
You are a cop-killer supporter.
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EDL founder charged with Muslim poppy protest assault[^] An utterly lopsided headline seemingly set to divert attention from the Muslims Against Crusades extremists burning armistice day poppies which I find completely unnaceptable. Note that I do not condone the EDL point of view either but the headline implies that they attacked without cause. I think even I would have been tempted to make my feelings known and I am astonished at the craven police allowing them to burn them in the first place. We have allowed the lunatics to run the asylum.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Assholes to the left of me, assholes to the right... Whats new?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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I find it sadly ironic that these Muslims use the freedom that British soldiers fought and died for to insult British soldiers.
Freedom! Surely you mean ecconomic interests? When was the last time the UK fought a war that wasnt solely for ecconomic gain?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Freedom! Surely you mean ecconomic interests? When was the last time the UK fought a war that wasnt solely for ecconomic gain?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
Northern Ireland? Falklands? Korea? Cyprus? WW1 & 2? Suez(financial but to retain not gain) And can you please provide evidence that the UK has gained ANY financial gain from either Iraq or Afganistan? as far as I can see it has so far cost a damn site more money that any return.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
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Northern Ireland? Falklands? Korea? Cyprus? WW1 & 2? Suez(financial but to retain not gain) And can you please provide evidence that the UK has gained ANY financial gain from either Iraq or Afganistan? as far as I can see it has so far cost a damn site more money that any return.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Did I say that the UK actually gained from any of its stupidity? And your list is complete cock, go reread your history.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Freedom! Surely you mean ecconomic interests? When was the last time the UK fought a war that wasnt solely for ecconomic gain?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
No, in English that would be economic actually...
Rhys "With no power comes no responsibility"
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Assholes to the left of me, assholes to the right... Whats new?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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No, in English that would be economic actually...
Rhys "With no power comes no responsibility"
Yeah, as if I care how its spelt. What I care more about is the utterly misguided impression that the UK is some kind of hero and only steps in for moralistic reasons. This is total cock. Just as recently as 1860 the UK was prepared to attck to China to ensure the survival of its market for OPIUM! WW1. Germany has recently unified and invaded France in 1870 (Franco Prussion war). The UK did jack shit. But by 1910 Germany has industrialised and is a threat to our world markets for engieered goods. So we attack. And dont mention Iraq...
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Did I say that the UK actually gained from any of its stupidity? And your list is complete cock, go reread your history.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
go reread your history.
How will that help exactly? Depending on your selected text of choice you could probably support almost any mad theory at all. Furthermore, given that every reader and their subjective perspective affects the information inferred and/or learned from any written material as much as that of the writer, the idea that simply 're-reading' about a subject without some qualitative and quantitative understanding of the position of the author is going to immediately provide an enlightened and altered understanding of it is at best naive and at worst puerile, bordering on infantile. Yes, I'm tired, don't seem to have slept very well, its bloody cold this morning and I'm fed up waiting for the Business to actually get on with the testing that is now holding me up and preventing me doing almost anything useful. ...and relax...
Rhys "With no power comes no responsibility"
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:laugh:
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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fat_boy wrote:
go reread your history.
How will that help exactly? Depending on your selected text of choice you could probably support almost any mad theory at all. Furthermore, given that every reader and their subjective perspective affects the information inferred and/or learned from any written material as much as that of the writer, the idea that simply 're-reading' about a subject without some qualitative and quantitative understanding of the position of the author is going to immediately provide an enlightened and altered understanding of it is at best naive and at worst puerile, bordering on infantile. Yes, I'm tired, don't seem to have slept very well, its bloody cold this morning and I'm fed up waiting for the Business to actually get on with the testing that is now holding me up and preventing me doing almost anything useful. ...and relax...
Rhys "With no power comes no responsibility"
Start here: 1860, Opium war. What a glorious example of British benevolence!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Nah, he's just just woken up and is writing that from his bed
Rhys "With no power comes no responsibility"
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Freedom! Surely you mean ecconomic interests? When was the last time the UK fought a war that wasnt solely for ecconomic gain?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
When was the last time the UK fought a war that wasnt solely for ecconomic gain?
Yeah, like the huge financial gain of WWII, where no war reparations were placed on Germany, and we were paying off the Lend-Lease program to the USA until 29th December 2006. We all got fat out of that one. Then there was the Falklands conflict. I mean, if you had a little place in the country where some of your kids lived, and the local farmer sent some thugs in with shot guns, wouldn't you send in your thugs in to sort them? While the 1991 Gulf War could be said to be about self interest, have you ever thought what would happen after Kuwait, when Saddam Hussein marched South and took over the Easterm province of Saudi Arabia? Believe me - he would have done it - I met the man, and there was sod all stopping him from doing it. The thought Saddam Hussein controlling three quarters of Arabian Gulf oil is not something worth contemplating for long. I think I should change my user name to BigBillyGoatGruff. :suss:
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fat_boy wrote:
When was the last time the UK fought a war that wasnt solely for ecconomic gain?
Yeah, like the huge financial gain of WWII, where no war reparations were placed on Germany, and we were paying off the Lend-Lease program to the USA until 29th December 2006. We all got fat out of that one. Then there was the Falklands conflict. I mean, if you had a little place in the country where some of your kids lived, and the local farmer sent some thugs in with shot guns, wouldn't you send in your thugs in to sort them? While the 1991 Gulf War could be said to be about self interest, have you ever thought what would happen after Kuwait, when Saddam Hussein marched South and took over the Easterm province of Saudi Arabia? Believe me - he would have done it - I met the man, and there was sod all stopping him from doing it. The thought Saddam Hussein controlling three quarters of Arabian Gulf oil is not something worth contemplating for long. I think I should change my user name to BigBillyGoatGruff. :suss:
Where did I say Britain actually benefitied from war? I said it entered wars for ecconomic reasons. The fact its judgement is consistently wrong is somehting they should have learmn by now but it seems each leader is determined to strut the world in his or her fashion.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville