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  • S svanwass

    So, if all of your work is being done in these worker threads, then your main application just becomes a thread manager. Right? (lets take that as true)

    Yes

    1. Each thread should throw an event which represents "WorkDone"; the thread manager will
      listen for this event and update the corresponding array slot.

    How can I make the thread throw a custom event? Conversly, how do I make the thread manager listen?

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    svanwass
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    OK so I attempted it and I think I ran into an issue with scope. In the worker thread, I created an event

    Public Event IamDone(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal IP As String)
    

    I call that event in the RunWorkerCompleted sub

    RaiseEvent IamDone(Me, "111")

    And now I am trippng up on how to create the handler in my thread manager. I assumed it would be

    AddHandler myworkerthreadclass.IamDone, Addressof myworkerthreadclass.IamDone

    but that doenst work

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      Hi, 1. Yes, you want the RunWorkerCompleted event handler to do something your main thread can notice. Lots of things are possible, here is one example: have a global variable that is initialized to the number of jobs, and gets decremented (see Interlocked.Decrement) by each RunWorkerCompleted handler, which on top of that, by checking for zero, raises a signal (see e.g. ManualResetEvent) 2. It is a bad idea to launch many BackGroundWorkers, as that would be too expensive. The better approach would be to have: - a small number of BackGroundWorkers (say two times the number of cores your system has, Environment.ProcessorCount); - a queue of jobs, filled by the main thread, and queried by those BackGroundWorkers (use a lock!); - and probably a queue of results, filled by those BackGroundWorkers (use another lock), and emptied by the main thread when it gets its "all done" signal. :)

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      svanwass
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      OK so I attempted it and I think I ran into an issue with scope. In the worker thread, I created an event

      Public Event IamDone(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal IP As String)

      I call that event in the RunWorkerCompleted sub

      RaiseEvent IamDone(Me, "111")

      And now I am trippng up on how to create the handler in my thread manager. I assumed it would be

      AddHandler myworkerthreadclass.IamDone, Addressof myworkerthreadclass.IamDone

      but that doesn't work

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        OK so I attempted it and I think I ran into an issue with scope. In the worker thread, I created an event

        Public Event IamDone(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal IP As String)

        I call that event in the RunWorkerCompleted sub

        RaiseEvent IamDone(Me, "111")

        And now I am trippng up on how to create the handler in my thread manager. I assumed it would be

        AddHandler myworkerthreadclass.IamDone, Addressof myworkerthreadclass.IamDone

        but that doesn't work

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        svanwass wrote:

        that doesn't work

        :confused:

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          svanwass wrote:

          that doesn't work

          :confused:

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          svanwass
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          I wrote a simple simple version of what I'm attempting. http://www.4shared.com/file/-tIHs2FE/CustomEventsVB.html[^] Does that help explain my issue?

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          • S svanwass

            I wrote a simple simple version of what I'm attempting. http://www.4shared.com/file/-tIHs2FE/CustomEventsVB.html[^] Does that help explain my issue?

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            Luc Pattyn
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            people here are unlikely to download anything just to maybe understand a question; what you should do is explain the symptoms ("doesn't work" tells us nothing) and tell how it differs from your expectations, then ask a specific question and/or show a relevant code snippet. :)

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              people here are unlikely to download anything just to maybe understand a question; what you should do is explain the symptoms ("doesn't work" tells us nothing) and tell how it differs from your expectations, then ask a specific question and/or show a relevant code snippet. :)

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              svanwass
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              My apologies. Main Form

              Public Class Form1

              Private Sub Button1\_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
                  Dim passing(0, 3) As String
                  passing(0, 0) = "10.1.1.1"
                  passing(0, 1) = "10.1.1.2"
                  passing(0, 2) = "10.1.1.3"
                  passing(0, 3) = "10.1.1.4"
                  Dim myworker As New Foo(passing)
              End Sub
              

              Private Sub IHeardThat() Handles Foo.IamDone
              'this does NOT work
              End Sub
              End Class

              My Foo class

              Imports System.ComponentModel
              Imports System.IO
              Imports System.Threading
              Public Class Foo

              Public WithEvents backgroundWorker1 As System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker
              Public Event IamDone(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal IP As String)
              
              Dim devicelist(,) As String
              Dim txtFile
              Public Sub New(ByVal Value As String(,))
                  devicelist = Value
                  backgroundWorker1 = New BackgroundWorker
              
                  backgroundWorker1.WorkerReportsProgress = True
                  backgroundWorker1.RunWorkerAsync(devicelist)
              End Sub
              Private Sub backgroundWorker1\_DoWork(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As DoWorkEventArgs) Handles backgroundWorker1.DoWork
              
                  ' Get the BackgroundWorker object that raised this event.
                  Dim worker As BackgroundWorker = CType(sender, BackgroundWorker)
                  Dim myargs As String(,) = e.Argument
              
              End Sub
              Private Sub backgroundWorker1\_RunWorkerCompleted(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As RunWorkerCompletedEventArgs) Handles backgroundWorker1.RunWorkerCompleted
              
                      RaiseEvent IamDone(Me, "Done")
                  End If
              End Sub 
              

              End Class

              So that's basically it. I attempted to write a sub that would handle the custom event but the form class doesnt see the foo class event. Does that make sense?

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              • S svanwass

                My apologies. Main Form

                Public Class Form1

                Private Sub Button1\_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
                    Dim passing(0, 3) As String
                    passing(0, 0) = "10.1.1.1"
                    passing(0, 1) = "10.1.1.2"
                    passing(0, 2) = "10.1.1.3"
                    passing(0, 3) = "10.1.1.4"
                    Dim myworker As New Foo(passing)
                End Sub
                

                Private Sub IHeardThat() Handles Foo.IamDone
                'this does NOT work
                End Sub
                End Class

                My Foo class

                Imports System.ComponentModel
                Imports System.IO
                Imports System.Threading
                Public Class Foo

                Public WithEvents backgroundWorker1 As System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker
                Public Event IamDone(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal IP As String)
                
                Dim devicelist(,) As String
                Dim txtFile
                Public Sub New(ByVal Value As String(,))
                    devicelist = Value
                    backgroundWorker1 = New BackgroundWorker
                
                    backgroundWorker1.WorkerReportsProgress = True
                    backgroundWorker1.RunWorkerAsync(devicelist)
                End Sub
                Private Sub backgroundWorker1\_DoWork(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As DoWorkEventArgs) Handles backgroundWorker1.DoWork
                
                    ' Get the BackgroundWorker object that raised this event.
                    Dim worker As BackgroundWorker = CType(sender, BackgroundWorker)
                    Dim myargs As String(,) = e.Argument
                
                End Sub
                Private Sub backgroundWorker1\_RunWorkerCompleted(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As RunWorkerCompletedEventArgs) Handles backgroundWorker1.RunWorkerCompleted
                
                        RaiseEvent IamDone(Me, "Done")
                    End If
                End Sub 
                

                End Class

                So that's basically it. I attempted to write a sub that would handle the custom event but the form class doesnt see the foo class event. Does that make sense?

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                Luc Pattyn
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                does that compile at all?

                svanwass wrote:

                Private Sub IHeardThat() Handles Foo.IamDone

                The IamDone event is not static/shared, how can this work?

                    Dim myworker As New Foo(passing)
                    AddHandler myworker.IamDone, AddressOf IHeardThat
                

                does work but is not OK as the handler is added while the BGW is alrady running, so there is a race condition. possible solutions: 1. pass the delegate to the Foo constructor, so it can add the handler on time; 2. don't start the BGW from the Foo constructor, add a method the caller should call after having set the handler. General advice: 1. consider making Foo inherit from BGW. 2. start every VB file with "option strict on" 3. tell Visual not to launch the app as long as there are compile errors 4. tell Visual to treat all warnings as errors (2+3+4 will be a PITA at first, but it will soon teach you to write correct code) :)

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                • S svanwass

                  I am attempting to write a multithreaded application. The idea is to have a scripted exe run that takes a list of devices, strips out one device and its information into an array, creates a new object of a class. which contains a backgroundworker that contains a telnet object, to telnet to said device and perform simple work (just login at this time). I have 100 device I am doing this for. So far, everything looks like it works. All 100 devices have a new class object and bgw worker created for them. My problem lies in how to determine when those have completed their work. This is a problem because the rest of the exe needs to process the results of my simple work but can only be done after all have completed. How can I tell when the work is done? I was thinking about writing something into the RunWorkerCompleted event that tallys but that seems like not the best idea. :sigh: -Steve

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                  Tieske8
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                  I think the best way would be using a waithandle that signals when done. If you combine the waithandles for all processes, you can use the WaitHandle.WaitAll Method. See this MSDN article for an example

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                  • S svanwass

                    I am attempting to write a multithreaded application. The idea is to have a scripted exe run that takes a list of devices, strips out one device and its information into an array, creates a new object of a class. which contains a backgroundworker that contains a telnet object, to telnet to said device and perform simple work (just login at this time). I have 100 device I am doing this for. So far, everything looks like it works. All 100 devices have a new class object and bgw worker created for them. My problem lies in how to determine when those have completed their work. This is a problem because the rest of the exe needs to process the results of my simple work but can only be done after all have completed. How can I tell when the work is done? I was thinking about writing something into the RunWorkerCompleted event that tallys but that seems like not the best idea. :sigh: -Steve

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                    Spectre_001
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                    Save the thread class instances that you create into an array or IList. Once you have started all of your threads, you can loop through the array or list checking either the State or IsAlive property of each thread until all indicate that they are finished. This way, you don't have to block your main thread while waiting for the other threads to finish. Your main thread can continue working and just check periodically to see if all worker threads have finished.

                    Kevin Rucker, Application Programmer QSS Group, Inc. United States Coast Guard OSC Kevin.D.Rucker@uscg.mil "Programming is an art form that fights back." -- Chad Hower

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                      Save the thread class instances that you create into an array or IList. Once you have started all of your threads, you can loop through the array or list checking either the State or IsAlive property of each thread until all indicate that they are finished. This way, you don't have to block your main thread while waiting for the other threads to finish. Your main thread can continue working and just check periodically to see if all worker threads have finished.

                      Kevin Rucker, Application Programmer QSS Group, Inc. United States Coast Guard OSC Kevin.D.Rucker@uscg.mil "Programming is an art form that fights back." -- Chad Hower

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                      svanwass
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                      Seems like I have a lot to learn about the proper handeling of threads. Would any of you have a recommendation on the topic but in relations to c#? I dislike VB...

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                      • S svanwass

                        Seems like I have a lot to learn about the proper handeling of threads. Would any of you have a recommendation on the topic but in relations to c#? I dislike VB...

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                        Spectre_001
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                        Free e-book on C# threading: www.albahari.com/threading/threading.pdf

                        Kevin Rucker, Application Programmer QSS Group, Inc. United States Coast Guard OSC Kevin.D.Rucker@uscg.mil "Programming is an art form that fights back." -- Chad Hower

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                        • S svanwass

                          OK so I attempted it and I think I ran into an issue with scope. In the worker thread, I created an event

                          Public Event IamDone(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal IP As String)
                          

                          I call that event in the RunWorkerCompleted sub

                          RaiseEvent IamDone(Me, "111")

                          And now I am trippng up on how to create the handler in my thread manager. I assumed it would be

                          AddHandler myworkerthreadclass.IamDone, Addressof myworkerthreadclass.IamDone

                          but that doenst work

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                          Why don't use just use the RunWorkerCompleted event, instead of creating a new event to raise? In RunWorkerCompleted you should be able to get the key to the device, and use that to update your status collection. Or if you are on .NET 4.0 you can use one of the parallel collection to handle this much cleaner.

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                          • S svanwass

                            I am attempting to write a multithreaded application. The idea is to have a scripted exe run that takes a list of devices, strips out one device and its information into an array, creates a new object of a class. which contains a backgroundworker that contains a telnet object, to telnet to said device and perform simple work (just login at this time). I have 100 device I am doing this for. So far, everything looks like it works. All 100 devices have a new class object and bgw worker created for them. My problem lies in how to determine when those have completed their work. This is a problem because the rest of the exe needs to process the results of my simple work but can only be done after all have completed. How can I tell when the work is done? I was thinking about writing something into the RunWorkerCompleted event that tallys but that seems like not the best idea. :sigh: -Steve

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                            This site has been so helpful in the past for me over 8 years. I am self taught .net, and have used it primarily with SolidWorks API since 2003. Thread for me is simply threads, and delegates. I run threads in order to crunch data. It keep the main form thread alive while crunching the info. Many times the threads have to send stuff back to the main threaded form. In order to do this without cross thread violations, we need to use delegates. My technique for sending info into a thread, and having the thread call back is rather simple. If I need to create lets say 100 threads. I will use a thread in order to do that. The thread that creates the 100 threads will sleep, only to awake and see if all threads have died. When all threads have died, the main thread cruches and then dies. The main form thread never stalls out, and gets tickled from all sides by all threads from a delegates sub. Here is the code I wrote to explain the most on these topics. Things to note are as follows: Each thread can create its node without limitations. The main thread relys on all threads being done creation. Then the assumtion is made that all thread nodes exist. This can only be true because all threads are not alive. So the main thread changes the display name of each treenode, and then dies itself. The threads and delegates take object arrays, so you can pack them full of anything, both in and out of the thread. The form is very much alive through the whole process. If only a form could speak, because this one is far from a deep sleep. Cheers, Sean P (Sldprt[ItsAboutTime])

                            Imports System.Threading

                            Public Class Form1

                            Dim t1 As Thread
                            Dim t2 As Thread()
                            Dim c As Collection
                            
                            Dim treeview As TreeView
                            
                            Private Sub Form1\_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load
                            
                            
                                tMain()
                            
                            
                            End Sub
                            
                            Sub tMain()
                            
                                c = New Collection
                            
                                treeview = New TreeView
                                Me.Controls.Add(treeview)
                                treeview.Size = New Size(200, 400)
                                treeview.Location = New Point(10, 6)
                                treeview.Visible = True
                            
                                c.Add(100, "StartData")
                            
                                t1 = New Thread(AddressOf MainThreading)
                            
                                t1.Start(New Object() {c})
                            
                            End Sub
                            
                            Sub MainThreading(ByVal args As Object)
                            
                                With CType(args(0), Collection)
                            
                                    ReDim t2(.Item("StartData"))
                            
                                    Dim i As Integer
                            
                                    For i = 0 To UBound(t2)
                            
                                        .Add(i, "ThreadKey" & i)
                            
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