A solution to the African hunger problem.
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Yeah what with all their roads and irrigation and laws? The bastards. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso[^]
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Yes, I get the point and reference, but just to be a pedant, (and specific to Britain), the Celts were building roads before the Romans arrived and had their own laws, (interestingly enough under which women were more equal than they were at any time until the latter stages of the last century). There is also some evidence to suggest that the Roman Empire learned some of their earlier military strategy from mainland European Celts, adapting and improving on it over time ;P
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Yes, I get the point and reference, but just to be a pedant, (and specific to Britain), the Celts were building roads before the Romans arrived and had their own laws, (interestingly enough under which women were more equal than they were at any time until the latter stages of the last century). There is also some evidence to suggest that the Roman Empire learned some of their earlier military strategy from mainland European Celts, adapting and improving on it over time ;P
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There is evidence to show that it was the wiping out of the Celts that was of primary interest to the roman empire. Hence that was the reason for their invasion. Julius Caesar specifically targeted the celts as they had a large social and trade network at a time when he needed gold to finance his expeditions. This is why when the Romans invaded Britain they headed straight for Angelsey to wipe out the last of the Celts, not just to take the gold but they couldn't tolerate the idea of a different belief system that relied on loose social connections rather than they Roman style of an imperial system based on a strong political power base. http://www.amazon.com/Caesar-Biography-Christian-Meier/dp/046500895X[^] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Twelve-Caesars-Penguin-Classics/dp/0140455167/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289995393&sr=1-1[^]
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Stop helping them. The population will stabilize on a size at which it is capable of growing/gathering enough food for itself. Maybe that size is zero, I doubt it, but if it is, so be it. In fact, maybe allow them to be hunted in certain areas (and only a limited number each year). This works for deer and wild boar so why not Africans? Problem solved. As a bonus, we would waste less tax money on them.
harold aptroot wrote:
waste less tax money on them
Just wasted elsewhere. I do not agree with the hunting, however, I have wondered for years about the charities that collect for children. How many of the children they help end up having kids that need help because the cause of the need has not changed? I think helping out after a disaster is okay but not for years and years. See Katrina in the USA. See unemployment benefits in the USA. I guess I am just bitter as no one is helping me.
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Stop helping them. The population will stabilize on a size at which it is capable of growing/gathering enough food for itself. Maybe that size is zero, I doubt it, but if it is, so be it. In fact, maybe allow them to be hunted in certain areas (and only a limited number each year). This works for deer and wild boar so why not Africans? Problem solved. As a bonus, we would waste less tax money on them.
I have never understood why it is a good idea to increase life expectancy in areas where there is famine and therefore clearly already too many people for the available food. You cannot increase the rate of evolution of a society or an area no more than you can that of a species. Evolution has to take place according to the environment it is happening in. Trying to create a population in any area larger than it can sustain is not a good idea. Giving guns to people who have not been able to develop them themselves is not a good idea. Trying to impose democracy on a society that has not developed it yet is not a good idea. Too much of the world has been buggered up a little bit more by people trying to interfere, some were interfering for their own benefit, others were trying to help. I don't think any of them have done any long term good.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
But stop giving aid.
So you dont think that not using all the quality land to grow cash crops for the west and instead using it to grow food for the natives would be a good idea then?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Don't send food or money, send condoms.
Due to the influence of the catholic church they wouldn't use them. Why do you think aids is so prevalent in Africa?
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Oh that so deserves a 5....
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Dalek Dave wrote:
But stop giving aid.
So you dont think that not using all the quality land to grow cash crops for the west and instead using it to grow food for the natives would be a good idea then?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Don't send food or money, send condoms.
Due to the influence of the catholic church they wouldn't use them. Why do you think aids is so prevalent in Africa?
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pseudonym67 wrote:
So you dont think that not using all the quality land to grow cash crops for the west and instead using it to grow food for the natives would be a good idea then?
Dont you think that the simple choice of whether to grow food for themselves or grow food for cash crops is an ecconomic one with the choice being the most effective?
pseudonym67 wrote:
Due to the influence of the catholic church they wouldn't use them. Why do you think aids is so prevalent in Africa?
You really think the church is a bigger influence than their inability to buy them?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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virtual five :laugh:
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pseudonym67 wrote:
So you dont think that not using all the quality land to grow cash crops for the west and instead using it to grow food for the natives would be a good idea then?
Dont you think that the simple choice of whether to grow food for themselves or grow food for cash crops is an ecconomic one with the choice being the most effective?
pseudonym67 wrote:
Due to the influence of the catholic church they wouldn't use them. Why do you think aids is so prevalent in Africa?
You really think the church is a bigger influence than their inability to buy them?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
Dont you think that the simple choice of whether to grow food for themselves or grow food for cash crops is an ecconomic one with the choice being the most effective?
no not really. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5624419[^] "Advocates say ending the cycle of poverty depends on putting farmland in the hands of blacks. About 96 percent of commercial arable land is still in the hands of South Africa's white farmers. But efforts to reform land ownership in places like the rural part of South Africa's Western Cape have been slow to get off the ground. The landscape of the Western Cape is thickly populated with rows upon rows of lush green vineyards, producing wine that generates some $13 billion to the country. They are joined by miles of orchards of pear and peach trees and other fruits, as well as olives — all growing in rich, well-tended and irrigated soil"
fat_boy wrote:
You really think the church is a bigger influence than their inability to buy them?
They've got loads http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/09/condoms-south-africa-world-cup[^] They wont use them http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7947460.stm[^]
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Stop helping them. The population will stabilize on a size at which it is capable of growing/gathering enough food for itself. Maybe that size is zero, I doubt it, but if it is, so be it. In fact, maybe allow them to be hunted in certain areas (and only a limited number each year). This works for deer and wild boar so why not Africans? Problem solved. As a bonus, we would waste less tax money on them.
I think the Swift Proposal[^] could be applied to Africa, quite successfully.
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fat_boy wrote:
Dont you think that the simple choice of whether to grow food for themselves or grow food for cash crops is an ecconomic one with the choice being the most effective?
no not really. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5624419[^] "Advocates say ending the cycle of poverty depends on putting farmland in the hands of blacks. About 96 percent of commercial arable land is still in the hands of South Africa's white farmers. But efforts to reform land ownership in places like the rural part of South Africa's Western Cape have been slow to get off the ground. The landscape of the Western Cape is thickly populated with rows upon rows of lush green vineyards, producing wine that generates some $13 billion to the country. They are joined by miles of orchards of pear and peach trees and other fruits, as well as olives — all growing in rich, well-tended and irrigated soil"
fat_boy wrote:
You really think the church is a bigger influence than their inability to buy them?
They've got loads http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/09/condoms-south-africa-world-cup[^] They wont use them http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7947460.stm[^]
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South Africa is only one country in Africa. I think we're talking about the whole continent here. :)
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Yes, I get the point and reference, but just to be a pedant, (and specific to Britain), the Celts were building roads before the Romans arrived and had their own laws, (interestingly enough under which women were more equal than they were at any time until the latter stages of the last century). There is also some evidence to suggest that the Roman Empire learned some of their earlier military strategy from mainland European Celts, adapting and improving on it over time ;P
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goblinTech wrote:
(interestingly enough under which women were more equal than they were at any time until the latter stages of the last century).
Only because the Celtish men could relate to women better. They diddo wear skirts, didn't they?
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I think the Swift Proposal[^] could be applied to Africa, quite successfully.
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
common dependancy, striving to learn, to improve, investing time, effort and money in novel ideas
:) you must be kidding. These ideas are surfacing nowadays (I mean maybe 60-70 years) not when there was looting. it was not a fair trade.
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Africans loot, white people give them jobs because we produce and we are kind gentle creatures that want to give the wild blacks a chance at life.
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They chopped down almost all forests, used a lot of other resources, recruited the locals into their army, and then they let the western part of their empire (that's us) fall into the Dark Ages. Of course Italy is not the Roman Empire, so asking them for compensation is silly, isn't it? Just as the Netherlands aren't the Dutch Empire, and the UK isn't really the British Empire..
He is too ignorant to understand, he just wants people to be punished for anything and everything because thats what he learned in school.
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Africans loot, white people give them jobs because we produce and we are kind gentle creatures that want to give the wild blacks a chance at life.
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Wow... That's so racist and stupid that I'm not even going to put it in my quote thread...
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fat_boy wrote:
Dont you think that the simple choice of whether to grow food for themselves or grow food for cash crops is an ecconomic one with the choice being the most effective?
no not really. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5624419[^] "Advocates say ending the cycle of poverty depends on putting farmland in the hands of blacks. About 96 percent of commercial arable land is still in the hands of South Africa's white farmers. But efforts to reform land ownership in places like the rural part of South Africa's Western Cape have been slow to get off the ground. The landscape of the Western Cape is thickly populated with rows upon rows of lush green vineyards, producing wine that generates some $13 billion to the country. They are joined by miles of orchards of pear and peach trees and other fruits, as well as olives — all growing in rich, well-tended and irrigated soil"
fat_boy wrote:
You really think the church is a bigger influence than their inability to buy them?
They've got loads http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/09/condoms-south-africa-world-cup[^] They wont use them http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7947460.stm[^]
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pseudonym67 wrote:
Advocates say ending the cycle of poverty depends on putting farmland in the hands of blacks
This is what has happened in Zimbabwe, with the result of causing massive starvation. As for the Cape, dont forget it was first settled by westerners, so its their land, the blakcs have no inherent rights at all. ...etc... Or they just prefer anal sex? Dont know. Anyway, seems a self limiting problem.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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South Africa is only one country in Africa. I think we're talking about the whole continent here. :)
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
And parts os SA (in fact quite a lot) was first settled by Westerners. (Which means the blacks have no rights over the land). The fact they are incapable of farming it efficiently has also not been mentioned. Look at Zombabwe for a good example of just what they do with the land when they get it.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Wow... That's so racist and stupid that I'm not even going to put it in my quote thread...
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