Free José Bové !
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Once again, "According to whether you are powerful or destitute, so will the judgement of the court render you black or white" Here's an article of the Guardian[^] explaing the case
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
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Once again, "According to whether you are powerful or destitute, so will the judgement of the court render you black or white" Here's an article of the Guardian[^] explaing the case
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
KaЯl wrote: Once again, "According to whether you are powerful or destitute, so will the judgement of the court render you black or white" I must be missing something here. Assume USA ignorance not arrogance. OK, He is a vandal and being punished. But since he is a union member, he should be protected? :confused: Is being a union member in France something very different than here in the states? "I will find a new sig someday."
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Once again, "According to whether you are powerful or destitute, so will the judgement of the court render you black or white" Here's an article of the Guardian[^] explaing the case
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
He compared the French centre-right government to the Vichy regime that collaborated with France's German occupiers during the second world war, The last place I worked at there was a french guy. Someone once mentioned the Vichy and the look that crossed his face was sheer agony. I suspect that relatives of his had been killed by them. This José Bové has made one of the ultimate cheap shots that I can think of :mad: Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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He compared the French centre-right government to the Vichy regime that collaborated with France's German occupiers during the second world war, The last place I worked at there was a french guy. Someone once mentioned the Vichy and the look that crossed his face was sheer agony. I suspect that relatives of his had been killed by them. This José Bové has made one of the ultimate cheap shots that I can think of :mad: Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Trollslayer wrote: He compared the French centre-right government to the Vichy regime that collaborated with France's German occupiers during the second world war Ok, I'll try to explain this point. José Bové said that the last syndicalist put in jail because of his syndicalist action was imprisoned by the Vichy regim. This is slightly different. Trollslayer wrote: Someone once mentioned the Vichy and the look that crossed his face was sheer agony If your colleague knows at little bit History, I can understand his reaction, whatever the Vichy regim may have done to his own family.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
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KaЯl wrote: Once again, "According to whether you are powerful or destitute, so will the judgement of the court render you black or white" I must be missing something here. Assume USA ignorance not arrogance. OK, He is a vandal and being punished. But since he is a union member, he should be protected? :confused: Is being a union member in France something very different than here in the states? "I will find a new sig someday."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: "According to whether you are powerful or destitute, so will the judgement of the court render you black or white" It comes from a poetry written by Jean de la Fontaine[^], named "Les animaux malades de la peste" (Google-translated here[^] Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Assume USA ignorance not arrogance My knowlegde in american poetry is quiet null too :-O Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Is being a union member in France something very different than here in the states? I suppose we are socially a little bit more advanced ;P (yeah, that's arrogance ;))
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
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Trollslayer wrote: He compared the French centre-right government to the Vichy regime that collaborated with France's German occupiers during the second world war Ok, I'll try to explain this point. José Bové said that the last syndicalist put in jail because of his syndicalist action was imprisoned by the Vichy regim. This is slightly different. Trollslayer wrote: Someone once mentioned the Vichy and the look that crossed his face was sheer agony If your colleague knows at little bit History, I can understand his reaction, whatever the Vichy regim may have done to his own family.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
KaЯl wrote: José Bové said that the last syndicalist put in jail because of his syndicalist action was imprisoned by the Vichy regim. This is slightly different. Karl, this is the sentence below, and it still looks like he is making the comparison from what I can see. He compared the French centre-right government to the Vichy regime that collaborated with France's German occupiers during the second world war, saying that if trade unionists like him were imprisoned, "it spells the end of union action, citizens' initiatives and resistance to the established order". Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Once again, "According to whether you are powerful or destitute, so will the judgement of the court render you black or white" Here's an article of the Guardian[^] explaing the case
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
Sounds as though Mr. Bove wants it both ways. Civil disobedience to press his cause without suffering the consequences. Makes the civil disobedience rather pointless. Mike
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Sounds as though Mr. Bove wants it both ways. Civil disobedience to press his cause without suffering the consequences. Makes the civil disobedience rather pointless. Mike
Mike Gaskey wrote: Civil disobedience to press his cause without suffering the consequences This man accept the consequences, he doesn't refuse to go to Jail, he has served time already (his bibliography) [^]
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
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KaЯl wrote: José Bové said that the last syndicalist put in jail because of his syndicalist action was imprisoned by the Vichy regim. This is slightly different. Karl, this is the sentence below, and it still looks like he is making the comparison from what I can see. He compared the French centre-right government to the Vichy regime that collaborated with France's German occupiers during the second world war, saying that if trade unionists like him were imprisoned, "it spells the end of union action, citizens' initiatives and resistance to the established order". Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Do you think it's the same sentence below ? José Bové said that the last syndicalist put in jail because of his syndicalist action was imprisoned by the Vichy regim [also] saying that if trade unionists like him were imprisoned, "it spells the end of union action, citizens' initiatives and resistance to the established order". Frankly, it's IMO not the same. The first one may be summed up as "the government is fascist and we have to fight against him", the second one as "Our freedoms are threatened, remember the past and move our ass". Moreover, he uses expressions which are perhaps more significant in the french context. For example, using Vichy and Resistance in the same declaration is not innocent. The word citizen is important, because it remembers the concept of Nation and the values of 1789 (Declaration of rights). Remembering also that Vichy was the revenge of the right and far-right wings of the french political class over the previous left-winged government (the "Front Populaire" which had the power from 1936 to 1938) is an historical fact, as the arrest of a syndicalist for his action, it never happened since 1945. The right-wing farmers syndicate made protests much more destructive as the ones made by Bové. They have wrecked minitry's offices, destroyed a factory (cost: 10 millions €, payed by the State) and so on, without being even trialed.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
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Once again, "According to whether you are powerful or destitute, so will the judgement of the court render you black or white" Here's an article of the Guardian[^] explaing the case
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
KaЯl wrote: Free José Bové ! No purchase required. Limit of one per customer, two per family. No corporate orders, please. Sorry, can't help myself. I'll go back and read what this is about now. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Mike Gaskey wrote: Civil disobedience to press his cause without suffering the consequences This man accept the consequences, he doesn't refuse to go to Jail, he has served time already (his bibliography) [^]
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
Thanks. Looks like he not only talks the talk but is willing to walk the walk. Raises my respect level although I don't agree with his causes and generally mistrust those who make protest a way of life. That does is not meant to be critical, if the causes (and it looks like they are) are all tied to a core belief then I've got to give him credit for living his beliefs. Mike
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KaЯl wrote: Free José Bové ! No purchase required. Limit of one per customer, two per family. No corporate orders, please. Sorry, can't help myself. I'll go back and read what this is about now. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Once again, "According to whether you are powerful or destitute, so will the judgement of the court render you black or white" Here's an article of the Guardian[^] explaing the case
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
He got 14 months of jail for destroying a field of GM crop:wtf: I'm trying to guess how many centuries of jail deserve the people who let the "Prestige" free to navigate around. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
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He got 14 months of jail for destroying a field of GM crop:wtf: I'm trying to guess how many centuries of jail deserve the people who let the "Prestige" free to navigate around. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
Vuemme wrote: I'm trying to guess how many centuries of jail deserve the people who let the "Prestige" free to navigate around. I bet they will stay free as ("unfueled") birds. :mad:
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
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Vuemme wrote: I'm trying to guess how many centuries of jail deserve the people who let the "Prestige" free to navigate around. I bet they will stay free as ("unfueled") birds. :mad:
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
I bet they will stay free as ("unfueled") birds. I can't understand when someone destroys a field that belongs to a company, he's a criminal and when a big company destroys or damages the environment (that belong to everybody) it's called progress... I don't agree with Bovè's methods, but I agree with his ideas and I think that the actions performed by his group have only demonstrative pourpouses and do a very small damage to the owners of the properties involved. When they dismount a McDonald's (with no violence and requiring only the reassembly of the parts they removed) on many newspapers the fact has been reported as an "assault" to the restaurant or the "distruction" of a McDonald's. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
